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 Micro Four Thirds (m43) User Thread V3, Panasonic G/GH/GFx & Olympus E-P/E-PLx

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Valentino46
post Jun 28 2011, 04:48 AM

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the first pic of ep-3 is out
http://www.43rumors.com/category/rumor/

but i have some negative reaction towards the interchangeable hand grip design,it looks like some extra piece of plastic rubber attach to the nice metal body,kinda spoil the beautiful line and doesn't looks integrated with the camera,i hope looking at the real stuff would be a bit more attractive

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post Jul 2 2011, 02:41 AM

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almost ejaculated when e-p3 spec is officials,but little underwhelm by the iso performance

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/olympusep3/page11.asp

i think pana 16 megapixel sensor is doing a much better job
but still kudos to the ppl behind the autofocus department
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post Jul 6 2011, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(snail_yin @ Jul 6 2011, 02:11 PM)
somehow...the camera will look ugly with a super big size external flash on top of the body... sad.gif When ppl see ur camera...belum nampak camera sudah nampak flash..... sad.gif

Why can't they just create a small size external flash for M4/3 camera??
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small flash small power,i rather it looks ugly but serve the purpose of external flash,whats the use of an external flash which has unadequate power to bounce or to couple with diffuser
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post Jul 18 2011, 01:11 AM

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i more interested in the pricing of 45mm f1.8
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post Aug 3 2011, 01:14 PM

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even smaller sensor size than four third?i really dunno whats their head up to on nikon,its saying "forget bout artistic control and sensor performance,what ppl want today is a small camera!",it will be a major handicap factor for the system forever

why don't they just save on the $$ developing new sensor and join the 43 consortium or continue using the readily available existing aps-c sensor

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post Aug 3 2011, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Aug 3 2011, 01:25 PM)
Cos big sensor needs big lens. Nikon is a traditional company hence they probably would've put that into account.
Besides... The tArget market where got know anything about sensor size wan. Put in a few creative filters can jor
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i think i gotta start thinking from majority market perspective
sad to see even a company like nikon is moving the directions towards p&s market rather for their out and out image quality as like what they had for their dslr
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post Aug 4 2011, 02:18 AM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Aug 3 2011, 09:41 PM)
I think Nikon has no choice.

Just look at the size lens that we use/want in our DSLR.. I don't think they can shrink it by much.

Look at the NEX for instance... all their lens is as big as normal dslr lens but Sony can get away with it.... cos they "Make Believe".

Anyway, cheap PnS market is dead... eventually smartphones also will eat into the enthuasiast compact... so it makes sense to seek refuge in interchangeable lens. It's unlikely there'll ever be an interchangeable lens Iphone tongue.gif
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i not sure bout the PnS market,im not going into mirrorless route for the sake of the form,sony are competing the wrong thing with their nex(bar the upcoming nex-7,which im sure to get it if the review is right),im sure some of us prefer pro camera to be a bit larger too,DSLR is gaining popularity these few years which shows that ppl which serious bout camera will still buy large camera(some ended as paper weight after sometime),but take samsung mirrorless system for example,thats the best size for me

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post Aug 4 2011, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Aug 4 2011, 08:48 AM)
hmm.gif  hmm.gif

Then why are you going into the mirrorless route?
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accuracy of contrast detection,if u remember i complained focusing issue of my 7d with several lens before
size is a good by-product of mirrorless natural design but i treated it as just a bonus point for going mirrorless


Added on August 4, 2011, 1:12 pm
QUOTE(sumtuckieeeee @ Aug 4 2011, 12:19 PM)
Isn't samsung mirrorless as well?
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yeap,but i aint getting samsung system for the time being,their sensor technology isn't up to scratch yet,but im being biased here though

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post Aug 5 2011, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Aug 5 2011, 10:16 AM)
Just came across this on explore... really love these girl photographers and their work.

She shoots an EP2
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fleecircus/page1/
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and she uses nokton manual focusing lens,how sexy is that!
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post Aug 5 2011, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(kelvin_hata @ Aug 5 2011, 01:17 PM)
GF3 and EP3 which can perform better performance on low light shooting? better iso control?

i think i cant get the nex series already due to too big for me. sad.gif

any sifu care to reply?? tqvm
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ep-3 for sure!
the sensor is less noisy plus in body stabilization help u push the iso lower no matter wat lens u have
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post Aug 5 2011, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(kelvin_hata @ Aug 5 2011, 09:34 PM)
But compare 3200 iso on ep-3 abit blur... Compare to gf3.
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in real life the different is hardly noticeable,its not too much of the issue if there's no other camera to compare side by side,you won't felt the tiny details missing

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post Aug 6 2011, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(kelvin_hata @ Aug 5 2011, 11:51 PM)
ic, but im asking between ep-3 n gf-3  notworthy.gif
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the gf3 asking price was very attractive indeed,i'm tempted sometime ago
if you don't need the extra features like hotshoe and fp-syn those kind of stuff,get the gf3
imho the iso performance is not substantial enough to be the differential factor between the 2
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post Aug 13 2011, 02:48 AM

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something i find quite funny when looking at the statement by panasonic spokesmen about their design direction,according to one of the interview quoted from 43rumors website http://www.43rumors.com/panasonic-has-no-p...cameras-coming/

The polish website Optyczne (Click here) interviewed Mister Michiharu Uematsu from Panasonic. The most interesting points are:

2) And here is the reaosn why you want never see a Panasonic camera with built-in stabilization: “So far, no plans to assemble in a body-stabilized matrices. When recording movies acting to stabilize the matrix generates unnecessary noise on the soundtrack, and increases power consumption, and for all of our equipment we want efficient energy consumption.”


according to them the reason behind the absent of in-body stabilization in panasonic body was that they want "efficient energy consumption device",but interestingly panasonic was always significantly less power efficient than their immediate competitor olympus in this respect by a substantial margin despite their lack of the in-body stabilizer.

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post Aug 14 2011, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Aug 13 2011, 02:06 PM)
They tok kok wan la. Panny's lens direction already set with OIS di so its gonna be an expensjve preposition for them to switch to in body IS
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unlike changing sensor format,i reckon inclusive of in body IS is much easier and can be completely fluid in adapting existing lenses as well(we have no problem using stabilized pana lens on olym body for example),with very little innovative thinking they could easily give us something like dual IS control,with the camera control unit will automatic switching to appropriate IS system to achieve the best results(panning,video,still mode IS for example),only thing is perhaps the marketing ppl is not convince that inclusive of this feature will translate to increase sales,then thats the problem,i don't believe its a technological bound issue

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post Aug 14 2011, 01:46 AM

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QUOTE(raptor_cZn @ Aug 14 2011, 12:27 AM)
Adding IBIS would incur higher production costs I assume, thus higher priced prodcuts
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a higher price which i'm sure you & me and many forumers here willing fork out,olympus counterpart doesn't cost that much more anyway,do you ever wished your 20mm f1.7 or the upcoming 12mm f2.0 or perhaps the 45mm f1.8 is stabilized to work better in low light?oops sorry you can't because you are using panasonic body,but panasonic themselves might think the majority others don't give it a damn

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post Aug 14 2011, 04:09 AM

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QUOTE(raptor_cZn @ Aug 14 2011, 02:38 AM)
Lol, who knows their marketing dept might think that by having lower priced products, they can attract more customers.
Look at the GF3 and the intended market with so many stuffs stripped out of it.

There is one advantage of having lens based stabilization though and that is video. Oly uses software stabilization for video but don't know how effective is that - I never play around with video much to notice.

But the thing is, so far there isn't any brand that I know of which offers dual stabilization option at the moment (i.e. having IS lenses as well as stabilized sensor) . Sony (alpha mount) and Pentax do not produce any stabilized lenses.
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the soft stabilization of my xz-1 is ok i think,though it alter the FOV slightly
there are no proper dual stabilizer at the moment thats why i state "with a little innovative thinking" they could offer that for the first time
but there are third party lens manufacturer which offer their stabilized lens to other body with IBIS,think sigma OS and tamron VC on alpha and pentax system,which they can choose to turn off one of them or have them running both at the sametime
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post Aug 16 2011, 02:36 AM

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QUOTE(CreamMilk @ Aug 16 2011, 12:50 AM)
I don't know abt other PEN, but E-P3 does come with that feature, 2x zoom when manual focus.
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focus peaking and focus aid zoom is different,focus peaking is much easier to use

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post Aug 17 2011, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(bobds78 @ Aug 17 2011, 06:13 PM)
Mmm..pana 14mm really delicious bokeh
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i think the bokeh has fuzzy looking to it
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post Aug 24 2011, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(subrok007 @ Aug 24 2011, 11:07 AM)
which lens its good for travelling? 20mm pana pancake, 14-42mm etc...
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surely the pana 14-140mm lor...but pana is coming out with a new pancake version of 14-42mm ZOOM which is very very nice indeed
http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-hot-image-leak...m-is-a-pancake/
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post Aug 26 2011, 06:59 PM

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i don't have bad comment on the graphic design on the new lens,i find it to be informative,its not ah beng look la imho,cuma a bit more gadgetry like,and they looks to be much superior quality to the plasticky looks of the old pana lens

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