well you can look at a 4ch before you move to a full blown 6 channel...

I have 2 4channel

I start with a Walkera CB180D which is a 4 channel fixed pitch and very stable... I have upgraded it into a harden blade and harden tail which proven to be a better crash proof...

then I move to a V200D01 also 4 channel but without flybar and less stable compared to CB180D... it is a very steep learning curve...

then finally I moved to a Walkera V450D01 this is HARD!!! a full flybarless collective pitch or known as CP heli... it is a 6 channel heli and IT IS HARD TO LEARN AND YOU WILL CRASH!!! ...
I CRASH THIS BIRD well few times....

so what I suggest is go with 4 channel before you go into CP heli and trust me some friends I know who venture straight into CP heli give up due to CRASHes and $$$ (well every crash is $$$ and time)

so start wit a 4CH and enjoy this hobby a 4CH heli will keep you in the learning curve at least for 1 year....

if you are interested I'm letting go my Walkera CB180D at a good price (PM me and I will let you know)
I'll package together with RTF include remote and heli + some spare parts you may require... incase of crash.... dont worry this heli parts is available in Malaysia and not expensive to repair if crash also in the event of crash most of the parts can be bend back or self repair...

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Added on March 10, 2011, 11:28 amoh by the way interm of taking out $$$ for windy resistant heli... here is my tips..

1. Never buy Coaxial Heli (the heli with 2 main blade top and bottom) they sucks and usually 3 channel or 3.5 (.5 = gyro) and trust me it cannot handle wind no matter how big is the heli!!! and you cannot learn anything from it (waste time and money)
(Some china brand like SYMA or some Horse brand)

2. Fixed Pitch heli can handle wind but not strong wind and usually if you fly at wind in 3-4mph it should be OK also remember heli is not a plane dont fly too far!!!
also size matters a 180-250 size heli can tahe wind of 3-5mph and the bigger the better BUT... if you crash the BIGGER = More $$$
a 180-250 size will cost around RM700 - RM800 in MALAYSIA
(Usually Walkera)

3. Collective pitch Heli can handle wind very well and it is HARD to learn... a friend of mine took 3 years to learn this heli and it will take alot of $$$ and it usually go around THOUSANDS or more... this bird will cost RM2000 for a RTF 250 size and more for 450 size
(Usually Align kits and FUTUBA remote)

My advise stick with Fixed pitch and move to CP heli
Ps. Dont get E-sky Belt CP the gyro is too lousy and you will crash and spend like no tomorrow... and end up giving up!!!


This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Mar 10 2011, 11:28 AM

Yeap agree but you need to know CP heli if you know you about to crash you need to engage throttle hold else bad things gonna happen and CP heli spin very fast and will cause alot of damage!!!

Compare to my v200d01 which is my 4ch heli and my another V450D01 and I have crash my v200 alot of time with little or no damage and once I crash my V450 which is a collective pitch heli I need to change say alot of things and it is not even a crash just Hard landing my tail boom gone, main gear, link rod, all 3 digital servo that cost RM100 each, main shaft... All in cost a bomb!!! Bow back to 4ch till my skill sharp enough... Remember RC heli is already expensive and shot into CP will bring the cost up alot and you will crash and you will spend money and time to repair... Just 4 ch main blade spin slower and if crash less parts damage... Just my advise

This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Mar 11 2011, 06:56 PM

Ou yeah... But sometime I think I can hover much better usin 4 ch then sim dunno why somehow the camera in sim setting make me erm... Cannot orient hahaha

you always mention wind wind.... i'm wondering where do you intend to fly your bird??

by the beach, foot ball field, etc etc??

if fly on beach I can tell you even CP heli cant fly!!!

if foot ball field... a 4ch heli can do the job and CP will be GREAT...

but all of that does not matter if you cannot even hover the helicopter...

I can give you a no wind condition and a CP heli and you will still crash!!!
I can even give you a 4ch heli no wind and you will still crash!!!

so my main question, do you know how to hover a Helicopter?

if No... then my 2nd question Do you have alot of CASH to spend (hobby shop gonna be very happy)
if your answer is "NO"

then go get a Flight SIM and LEARN!!!
or Get a 4CH or a CP heli and get a Trainer to assist you remember your Transmitter must be the same as your trainer inorder to link for training!!!

if not GET YOUR SELF A SIM!!!

ic.... so do you know how to fly erm I mean hover a heli??

This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Mar 14 2011, 03:29 PM

what I see here is a co-axial heli with 2 Brushed motor.... if I were you I will not extend the play time as brushmotor overheat very fast... you can get higher battery pack (MAh) but you will burnout thse brush motor and mind you each motor cos RM30.00

you may consider brushless mod which will extend your motor... but it is costly... and since yours is a 3 channel co-axial heli... and you'll probaly learn nothing... I will advise you not to do any mod to it...

Play with it till it dies and consider upgrade to a Fixed-pitch heli or a Collective pitch and further your skill...

a 4 channel fixed pitch is very interesting.... and alot to learn from co-axial 3ch heli...

so my advise... dont upgrade, maybee get some spares like blades and main gears... but dont invest anything further...it's just not worth it...

just me 2 cent

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Added on March 17, 2011, 12:23 amoh... for wind resistant on Taylor lakeside campus... I've just been there

my advise,,, any size smaller than 600 you can forget it!!! and must be CP heli... even 600 have a hard time hover there... the wind is strong... and my advise dont fly there it is suicide...

furthermore flying heli expecially Collective pitch you need a big empty area and dont fly when people around.. they may end up at hospital or DEAD... the heli blade can easily take a person head off!!!

so please consider it... play in college when it is totally safe... and dont fly where strong wind... it will knock the heli out of control even big heli can get out of control and hit some one or you...

you may consider closed area like big hall...

This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Mar 17 2011, 12:23 AM

a 450 cannot hover on beach laaa windy can knock the heli up side down

also on windy condition not advisable for a newbie to fly... cause it will crash

no prob...

it should be OK...

yep most of the parts are compatible...

around 90% of parts are compatible

450 is a great heli, it is very stable... I can say it is as stable as a TREX 450 flybarless setup...

Parts wise it is 80% compatible with Trex 450 sports...

It can do HARD 3D... I have seen people do it... I have not...

but the heli is great and if you need this heli to perform better just upgrade to the Align 3G gyro (buy the set) and it can seriously perform!!!

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Added on March 23, 2011, 1:58 pmYES I am using it to control Trex 250 what I do is I just get the 2801 pro 8ch receiver and hook it up to the TREX250...

yes the control of 2801 pro is great very smooth and great transmitter...

I have not test the range as heli dont need to go far...

This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Mar 23 2011, 01:58 PM

I use the align standard 3s1p 30C

I cant do 3D yet so I cannot tell you hehehe

I set my timer to 5 min of Run....

I dont intend to stress the battery.... I prefer to maintain at least 40% charge to preserve the life of the batt...

cant really tell you I may have used up only 50%.... but I play safe I use only 5 min run....

you can try go longer... but remember once ESC cut your heli may fall to the ground.... ouch!!!

buy more battery lah not expensive maaaa....

hehehe But 450 lor.... kekeke

aniways I have move away... now TREX450 sport on the way kekeke

Align in Malaysia is good, can take the stress of hard 3D... (with the matching gyro lah)

parts also available and plenty... no problem getting spare parts...

BCP is cheap but all plastic... if crash alot of parts gone also...

Align so far is good lah...

My Walkera V450D01 is good but the parts some is limited locally... and have to wait for spare parts from HK... so I get another Align 450 lor....

dont go for PRO lah....

go for sport if crash the tail boom bend still OK

if pro the torque tube bend oso... haha more higher cost!!!

no idea... I got my 450 sport for RM300...

the last user just did 3D before he sell me... so yes the heli is in good condition...