nice match indeed played by both team(though i really looking forward to see Bolton's Lee Chung Yong and Celtic's David Ki)

we mark the players well,good understanding and we did defensive/offensive buildup pretty fast

but our player is still being dispossessed from the boall easily and we're still a bit blunt in front of the goal post.


hope we can improve from this match

juz came back from the stadium...what a performance from our boys...defense deserved all the credit...bout 10k turn out at the stadium..not bad for a frenly game ehhhh

may i know malaysia about starting eleven....

.............................Sharbinee........................................

Sabre..............Nasriq..........Aidil ©...............Asraruddin

Fakri................Safiq............Amar...................Kunanlan

.......................Zaquan........Norshahrul..........................

This post has been edited by AKace: Jul 25 2010, 09:14 PM

who went for the match yesterday? they sell the national team's jerseys there? LOL

malaysia line-up under 23 player while Korea just play with player u-21
nothing to cheer, we just beat Korean kid not Korea Olympic squad

Looks like the stadium was what? 10% of it's capacity. If they, and yes I say, "they" and not "we" , want to get the fans back in, they had better start playing higher quality opposition. So what if they get kicked around for the next couple of years? One can only get better if one plays someone better than them. Way back then the "prestigious" Merdeka Tournament used to feature teams like Sao Paolo, Hamburg, Czechoslovakia, Ghana, Algeria, Japan and Korea. Now we have teams like Myanmar, Vietnam U-22, Hong Kong, Indonesia and Taiwan playing. The tournament has since been canceled altogether. Not only is the quality of our football on a steady decline, the quality of our opposition is as well. If you visit the FAM site today, the main page features the headline, "Malaysia pulls off famous victory". I don't know about that as it was Korea's U-23 side FFS. Are our expectations of the team really that low?

Amongst the friendlies we've played off late, the opposition comprised of teams like Lesotho (I don't even know where that is), Al Qadisyah (who?),Kenya (they play football?), and Yemen (who incidentally, are ranked much higher than us). We need quality games.

We just beat an official South Korea FA U-23 side and you decide not to cheer?

Dude..Thats the best as local football can get... if you cannot be happy with that, you cannot be happy with anything....

Some people just need to get things in perspective..In football. age is just a number. By the age of 20 the likes of Rooney, Ronaldo and Messi already conquered the world. How do you explain that?

If you actually went to the match you will see the Koreans already have a bigger physique and mature football mind than us. So what actually on field advantage that 2 year difference bring us for you to discredit the win?

What i know, the FA, the coach and the players have the responsibilities to hold the countries honour with each national team the sent out. So if they thought their team good enough to win comfortably vs our lowly side, yet still lose, so who to blame?


Our team can only beat whats in front of us and its not our fault if South Korean sent a weak team and get beat. Teach them a lesson to send a stronger team next time.

pre-match, nobody realistically expected more from our boys except to lose with some sort of dignity.

F**K that. They go on to win win the whole damn thing.

The record books will say Malaysia U23 defeated South Korea U23 so our boys have done their job. You cannot possibly expected more from them can you?

Congrats to Ultra Malaya team as well. The first time i saw you guys at vs Kenya at Shah Alam, you just a bunch of 8-9 college students jumping around.

Look how you have grown in numbers by each matches. Show to these people that there are thing you can contribute to our football instead off merely " wait and see then criticise" attitude.

Who know South Korea 1st eleven or subtitute?
Is there any players who involved in Korea World Cup team included?

You are damn right. One match isn't going to change my perception of Malaysian football and how it's deteriorated over the years. Maybe you were around during our heydays and maybe you weren't but the state of our football is shambolic at the moment and the worse thing is, it's our own doing.



Dude... you are right because I refuse to accept that this is as good as it can get. I refuse to lower my expectations just because our FA have lowered theirs. We've beating the U-23 side of a team we used to kick around and this is because of bad decisions made (and corruption) over the course of 2 decades. Years of mistakes cannot be rectified after just one match. If the teams achieves such results consistenly over say a year, then perhaps there is room for optimism.



My perspective of things has been explained in the previous paragraph. Yes by the age of 20, there are players who have become world beaters but there are also a whole lot more who do not go on to scale similar heights. Fact remains that senior sides feature players who are the finished article and therefore are harder to beat. Wayne Rooney today is more of a player than he was 4 years ago, no?



"More mature football mind", what do you mean by this? The reason we're ranked number 16+ in the world is the same reason our nation's GDP is so low despite having an abundance of natural resources. People got greedy and people got complacent. You're looking at this game from the perspective of one game, while I'm looking at it from the perspective of games played over a number of years.



I don't understand your questions.

And yet you choose to ignore the fact that by and large, our team has been playing friendlies against inferior opposition. So what if Yemen or Lesotho sent their strongest squads? How do you not see that we've been playing friendlies against lesser opponents, unlike in the past?

Once again, I can and I do. Hurray for this victory but let's not cream in our pants until we show some semblance of consistency and continue to improve. More often than not, these results have proved to be false dawns. When you get all over excited over such results it provides the FA with the smokescreen they need to mask the real problems hindering our progress in world football and it has to do first and foremost with the clowns running the whole damn show.

And when you say, "they go on to win the whole damn thing", what exactly did they win again? A friendly, that's right.

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Added on July 27, 2010, 4:35 pmYou sentence doesn't really make sense but if I get what you mean, I'm with you. Please prove us wrong!



This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jul 27 2010, 04:35 PM

dont know our country especially FAM always come out with statement which make our football team look great and have a bright future, yes we face Korea U-23 team but the truth is just few of them are 23 years old while the other is player who play World Cup U-20 last year, they just come here with U-21 player while we play with U-23 player.

Just like the past, we invite a crappy team the we won the cup, is that mean our football quality is good by winning the title in competition which entered by team like Lesotho, Laos, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Nepal.

Not to say i didn't support our national team but FAM always overrated our team

Its also not fair to put the blame of Malaysia football's decades of stagnation to this group of players and discredit their effort. Players from shambolic football environment need to dig deeper to beat players from rich and developed football nation like S. Korea and that they did. Our players have no other ammunition to attack the Korean with but grit and tactical discipline but they knew that, however strong our opponent is, if they hold on to those two, sooner or later chance will open up and anything can happen.

i don't have the intention to change your perception of Malaysian football as a whole. You skeptics keep moving the goal post so its impossible to do that, unless maybe if we beat Spain 5-0 in the world cup final. Even then some smart ass will discredit the win because Spain used a 20 year old Barcelona reserve instead of Fernando Torres. Its annoying that you just keep highlighting the negatives while conveniently leaving out the positives.

i just like to specifically discuss how our lowly national U-23 side beat the mighty South Korea.

i can take it if people criticize our team when they fail to deliver. But it get on my nerves that people discredit the team when they do good.

Win wrong. Draw also wrong. Kalah apatah lagi.. what you guys want really?

Give credit when credit is due please.




i have been following this team for over a year now and i can assure you that this level of performance shown during Korea match is very consistent for this side since Coach Rajagopal took over. Beside the two 3-1 loses to Uzbekistan in the Asia Cup Qualifying, not many team find it easy to beat us. And those teams include Saudi Arabia, Jordan, China (the same china team that wipe us 5-0 in the asian cup can only manage a 0-0 now), Manchester United and now South Korea.
this result is projected in the FIFA ranking where we rose from #161 in April 2009 to the current position of #142 for June 2010. That 19 place position shift ranks Malaysia among TOP 10 BEST MOVERS among Asia countries in the same period.

if you just cannot see this statistic as sign of improvement and consistency, then you just have to simply admit that you are prejudiced and biased towards your own country and cannot treat their performance objectively like you would to other nations.



Both team fully aware that it was a match between U-23 vs U-23 so the issue of age advantage shouldn't have come up. The Korean used average player aged 21 because they want to pool 21 year old players eligible for the Olympic that is still 2 years away. For youth teams below 21 years, the older team have the advantage over younger teams because they have bigger physique but for teams over 21 i think age different of 2 years is nothing at all.



Make no mistake. The Korean players that turn up were better than our players. The have the close control. The passing skill. Tactical awareness and composure developed through proper development since the young age.. That is what i call as having a more mature football mind

i just like to discuss performance vs Korea for now. Discussion regarding performance for other matches in other period of times does not interest me at the moment and can take place in other discussions . And i suggest you limit your perspective to matches from July 2009 onwards that is after Rajagopal took over. Then you will have a more clearer and accurate picture of the real strength or weakness of this team.



The decision to use any player of any age against us is made with conscience by the Korea coach and FA with their official country name at stake. Its out of our players or FAM's control at all. So should Korea lose because of the decision they make, they themselves should shoulder the blame. That fact must not be used to discredit our NT and FAM because we have no control whatsoever about that.




Since January 2009, we had friendlies vs Zimbabwe, Manchester United, Kenya, China, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Lesotho, Syria, Yemen, Maldives, Singapore U-23 and now South Korea U-23.

Except for Lesotho, all these team ranked much higher than us in the world ranking. Why do you rate these teams as lesser opponent?

Is it because you have another highly ranked imaginary adopt country like England or Brazil that you treat as your own in football discussion?



OK. Lets hear it. When you hear Malaysia vs South Korea. Whats your real expectation of the boys for the match? You expect our shambolic footballers to wipe the Korean 3-0? Honestly?

Whats the use of you setting a high standard, but when you see sign of improvement like winning against the like of South Korea, you put the team down further instead giving them a pat in the back.

as if you don't want the standard to be met. Because if they do, you will be WRONG.



A competitive match resemblance of that connotation is the story of 2009 Laos Sea Games. But that is different story for another discussion.

Even-though Korea match was a friendly, its still 90 minute of football with a winner or a loser. And when we share the field with the likes of South Korea and come out winners, its still quite an achievement. You yourself complain that we always play friendlies against lesser opponent. But now we played against south Korea and win some more yet you still complain that its only a friendly. That's what i meant when i say you skeptics always move the goalpost. nothing can satisfy you.





That was my tribute to Ultra Malaya. If you went to the stadium for each NT match you can see them in action.

They are a group young people who are fed up with the state of our football. But instead of typical " wait and see" attitude, they decide to do something about it in the only way they can. Based on just a few people, they manage to assemble pockets of national team supporters from all over the country and would show up in force as a hardcore national team fanatic to vocally express their passion for the name of our country during each of national team matches.

i have been to a lot of these matches and can see they grew in numbers by each match. And when you see comment from officials and players how touched and inspired they are with the support you knew you have contribute something instead of just criticizing and being passive. if we WANT it, we also must do our part about it. Thats what i think anyway.

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Jul 28 2010, 11:03 AM

i have my review for the game, http://dukio.com/football/malaysia-beat-korea-football.html pls comment it thanks

The fact that we had little else to offer but grit and determination is on one hand a positive, because too often I've seen our players look lost and disheartened whenever they have gone behind. I'll be the first to admit that the last time I followed local football, we were semi-pro but the quality of the league was still much better than it is today, after we've turned professional. Like I said earlier, it's good that the lads have fire in their bellies but at the same time, it's a matter of concern that we have fallen behind in terms of player development when our local league has been around for decades now.

Grit and determination will give you an edge over similar quality opposition but your state of mind is fragile. In the Premiership it isn't uncommon to see newly promoted sides like Hull, Reading or Wigan surprise many by scaling dizzying heights simply because they are pumped. Sooner or later though, the old adage applies. "Form is temporary, class is permanent". Instead of getting ahead of ourselves, thinking we've achieved something, we should focus on closing the gap in standards even more.



Why do you say I've moved the goalpost? In each and everyone of my posts, I've always cited why I think Malaysian football is in the state it is now. Has anything changed? Nope, or at least, not yet. Hence, my views remain the same.

Why do I not focus on the positives? Because the negatives far outweigh them and after years of complacency, it's time to stop taking such results for granted. I find it equally annoying that small victories are celebrated with such gusto because it takes much more to earn back the respect they've lost. These days, supporters go all ape when we beat Singapore or Indonesia. I reckon it's because these countries are our neighbours, not because we beat great sides. Lower your expectations if you so wish but my benchmark is the team that used to strike fear in not only our South East Asian counterparts, but our Asian counterparts. Respect is not given, it is earned.



Again, nothing has changed in how football is run. Will this U-23 side go on to become world beaters or will they succumb to the same greed, corruption and politics that ravaged those before them? Why am I not elated? It's because if history is anything to go by, the latter seems the most likely.

Touche. It irks me when people fail to see the bigger picture.



Forget Manchester United. Premiership clubs come here looking to sell jerseys and increase TV revenue. They aren't here to win. England once came here and won 4-2 with Gary Lineker bagging 4 and Matlan Marjan scoring 2. Suddenly, there was all this optimism and what happened? The result was deceptive. England were jetlagged and playing at half pace. We went on to continue to struggle when it mattered, during competitive tournaments, struggling against the mighty likes of Philipines, Laos and Singapore.

Ok so we're not harder to beat but let's not pat ourselves on the back just yet. We have a bad habit of being complacent.



That's my point though. We won through grit and determination like you said but having better ability gives you better results. We should be focusing on developing players so they have the same ability. This is why I brought up the issue of the FAM. With the millions that is being pumped into football each year, what is being done to emulate the success that teams like Korea, Japan and China, who were previously inferior to us have achieved?



Since you've been an avid follower, what makes his squad different then? Also, what makes you think they won't go down the same path over U-23 sides have prior to them?



Who is blaming Korea? The rest of my reply will be a repetition of what I've already mentioned above.



Since we're being honest and serious here, I honestly don't see Kenya, Jordan, Syria, Yemen or the Maldives as good competition. You may choose to be sympathetic of the state of our football but I choose not to, because it is our own doing. If nothing changes in the way football is run, do you seriously expect us to miraculously come out of our football rut? During the days we were semi-pro, we could attract the likes of Tony Cottee, David Roecastle, Chris Kiwomya, and Karel Stromsik to our shores. Since turning pro, prior to banning foreigners, we had to settle for much less. Also, what about the teams we used to attract to the Merdeka tournament I mentioned earlier?

You may want to keep this discussion in the perspective of this match alone but the thread title clearly indicates, "Malaysian Football Talks", so I have equal right to look at the bigger pictures.

I expect our boys to get creamed, but at the same time I don't expect to get all excited over one result and will reserve that for a time when the team achieves something, like qualification for the Olympics. Why? My expectations are higher, and rightly so. Not long ago there were ads calling for fans to flock the stadiums again but it's like I said earlier, you have to pull the fans back and not push them. If the team plays notable opposition and gets positive results, the fans will go without having to be told. It's annoying just like when nationalism is forced upon us during National day.



Did I put the team down? I don't even recall mentioning the team. I was addressing Malaysian football as a whole. The only time I referred to the result was when I warned against getting over excited. If anything, I'm playing the result down.



And you are too easily satisfied which is the reason why we never get these results consistenly. Suddenly we think we are on par with other Asian sides only to falter when playing Vietnam in the SEA games or whatever. Yes yes I get it, even Vietnam is better than us now but that isn't my point.

Once again, I reiterate my right to focus on the bigger picture. The one thing that will satisfy me is a total revamp of the FAM where politics and blatant corruption is removed from the equation.

This was the last time we achieved notable success:



Then this happened:

The fans didn't just walk away. They were turned away. I used to collect newspaper cutouts each time my team, Selangor were featured but since turning pro, the state of football has turned into a cesspool of greed and corruption. Has any drastic action been taken? Not that I know of, so unless there is, we'll be watching nothing but reruns.



A quick fix for the team playing on that day but how will this address the issues I mentioned earlier?

Well that's where we differ. I believe that passive action is exactly what's needed. Let our domestive league decline to the state the FA has no choice but to fix themselves. If fans go back, all will be peaches and cream again. Nothing will need to be done to address deep underlying issues. Some time back China suspended their own Super League to address these issues and since they've been rocked with a similar scandal again, they are looking to take action (http://www.goal.com/en/news/14/asia/2009/11/13/1623139/betting-scandal-could-lead-to-suspension-of-chinese-super-league-). Look at how China has become a football powerhouse in Asia despite these scandals because they take action.

In summary, I won't take credit away from this result alone but you'll note that I very rarely focus on the game, but on Malaysian football as a whole, which is I believe a component of the thread. Let's see what happens now.

the same thing Gus Hiddink did when he was in charge of ROK squad which brought them to semis in 2002

we need more competitive friendlies.not just against big clubs(though it is welcomed),but also against top asian/european countries as well.Japan,South Korea,China,Iran,and perhaps England and the Netherlands

we need scientific approach to our football as well.we have thousands of them grads in sport science,but i don't see any significant improvement in this area

Prior to Hiddink's appointment, South Korea had not won a single match after 5 World Cups and on his first attempt, he took them to the semis. If there is one thing I got out of that it's that we need the help of a foreign coach, and we need to give him a free hand. Too often we've heard coaches complain that they weren't even in full control when it came to team selection! Claude Le Roy? Josef Vengloz? These are guys who have taken unfancied sides to the World Cup Finals. They know their stuff. This whole, "going local" concept obviously isn't working as our coaches simply don't have sufficient exposure, and experience. While the world is embracing globalisation (even England have hired foreign coaches now), we seem to be operating in reverse.

If there is a local born coach with the experience, it's Lim Teong Kim. How many know that he spent 4 seasons playing for Bayern Munich where he is now Assistant Coach of Bayern Munich's Junior Team where he has helped groom current German prospects like Thomas Mueller and Holger Badstuber? I seriously doubt he'd give up life in Germany to come back to the crap hole we've dug for ourselves, but there is no harm in at least trying is there? On a side note, isn't he deserving of a Datukship?

By insisting that we go local, we excude pride, but are we also displaying ignorance?

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Added on July 28, 2010, 1:49 pmPrior to Hiddink's appointment, South Korea had not won a single match after 5 World Cups and on his first attempt, he took them to the semis. If there is one thing I got out of that it's that we need the help of a foreign coach, and we need to give him a free hand. Too often we've heard coaches complain that they weren't even in full control when it came to team selection! This whole, "going local" concept obviously isn't working as our coaches simply don't have sufficient exposure, and experience. While the world is embracing globalisation (even England have hired foreign coaches now), we seem to be operating in reverse.

If there is a local born coach with the experience, it's Lim Teong Kim. How many know that he spent 4 seasons playing for Bayern Munich where he is now Assistant Coach of Bayern Munich's Junior Team where he has helped groom current German prospects like Thomas Mueller and Holger Badstuber? I seriously doubt he'd give up life in Germany to come back to the crap hole we've dug for ourselves, but there is no harm in at least trying is there? On a side note, isn't he deserving of a Datukship?

By insisting that we go local, we excude pride, but are we also displaying ignorance?

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jul 28 2010, 01:51 PM