CONMAN !!!! Hilmi Al Guffran CONMAN !!!!

PICTURES OF HIM AND RELATED


Lyn User ID :

ChocolateChipCookies
STFUmofos
GraphicPlayground




NAME : Hilmi Al Guffran



Apartment Address: A604, Bloick A, 6th floor, De Rozelle Condo. Seksyen 10 Kota Damansara, Selangor.

CONTACT Details :
+60122773744 / +60162093744Graphic Playground
graphicplaygroundonline@gmail.com


http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=115451505143634

Bank Accounts :
CIMB - 12520063655527
MAYBANK - 164397972023





Some info about Hilmi Al Gruffan :
- Hilmi Al Gruffan.
- About less than 170cm Height.
- Night before COD, I smsed enquiring about his sales thread, and on 2nd sms i said i was interested to buy from him and I asked for his location and he replied " F*CK YOU b****" , so i said excuse me ? and his friend replied for him instead saying sorry this HILMI is drunk and his friend always takes care of his phone calls during his DRINKIN SESSION ALL THE TIME.
- Has a post selling IMMITATION Supra Shoes, and no replies from him as a TS after all the questioning it’s originality.
- Previously owned a DJ set with these speakers.



Conn Case : Behringer Truth B2031A Monitor Speaker Pair(RM 1000)

On November 12th , 6pm . I bought a Behringer Truth b2031A studio monitor speakers (RM 1000) from Hilmi ( ChocolateChipCookies ) At first when I was at his apartment to deal via COD, I gave the speakers a simple test on the floor in his living room run just to make sure that its working and there is sufficient volume coming out of it. But as soon as I reached home, and decided to set it up the speaker pairs for use with my mixing consoles, only then I realized it was muffled sounding. I tried many cables with the speakers and even made a pair of new ones just to be sure and also swap around with different audio interface. After all that, I tried the switches behind which turns on each speaker (tweeter & woofer) on the monitor itself and finally found out that the tweeters was already blown.

So I called him up the night itself on 12th November, but he seems ignorant and dint want to do anything about it and just keep pushing be to do more test spend more time on finding a solution for it my self. And then I called him again for the 2nd time after I repeat the same testing procedure, and I asked for a refund because its too much trouble for me and I’m having doubts already on this speaker ( I was suspecting a blown circuit in the power-amp section of the speaker). So he decided to give me a refund and schedule to meet me on the 13th November , 1pm at his place and settle the refund.

But on the day it self, at 12.15pm as planned I am already on my way there, and I text him and say I’m on my way , then he replies me and say that he’s not home and he cannot refund my money because its done, I took it home so its my problem now for me to deal with the repairs. After a few messages from me pushing him, he said that he will refund my money, but NOT TODAY.

"Its nak Faulty when u test run it at my place tho. Right? I can refund but not today. Already spend ur cash" quote Hilmi Al Gruffan a.k.a ChocolateChipCookies

WRONG, its already faulty even before i test run it at his place, It's just its hard to tell a speakers full working capacity in such condition and environment. Speakers on the ground while our ears are higher level than the accurate monitoring level of the tweeters projection range.

I continued pushing and insisting for my refund because I sense a huge amount of dishonesty in this seller and his last message saying

“I am not refunding ur money. That’s it. Please lodge a police report if you’re not satisfed. All I know that u did a test run, its working and u agree to buy” quote Hilmi Al Gruffan a.k.a ChocolateChipCookies

Now everyone, This speakers is sold to me by Hilmi claiming that its fully functional and in working condition with 3 days personal warranty stated on his post. According to the amp tech i brought it to for a check, he found a fried chip in the tweeter's power amp circuit.

By testing a speaker and hearing sounds coming out of it isn’t enough, because in a different and unfamiliar environment its quite hard to judge if both tweeters and woofers are fully functional, and it was on the floor not even providing a proper table and pc with cables to test it with ease, therefore I give this guy a benefit of a doubt trusting his words and I’ve decided to bring it home, which I was eventually fooled by him.

Note: These speakers were in HORRIBLE cosmetic condition too, so it does say a lot on how he takes care of his things and personality.



An update:

I also forgot to mention that Hilmi Al Guffran (ChocolateChipCookies) Did not answer any of my calls when i called him to ask for an explanation of why is he backing out on his promise to refund. I tot of calling and speaking on the phone as it is more genuine. But this guy has only resort to answering my replies through smses. I don't for sure if he is too busy to answer my calls or he is AVOIDING my calls. Some of my calls were cancelled instantly TWO TIMES IN A ROW.

RELEVANT PICTURES to all 3 LYN ACCOUNT ID:




ChocolateChipCookies Another Conman !
Hilmi Al Guffran


This post has been edited by DT89: Nov 15 2010, 08:26 PM

since Hilmi gave you 3day personal warranty on that item,and by evidence we can move this issue on.
please keep all his sms and reply both as hardcopy.
please send a link to Hilmi so that he can defend him self too.
im happy to listen on his side too.

and i understand,different environment does changes the ambient of the sound.and some of them you really cant fell which is live working or not.
but since you tested at his house,it was working properly.but how come after you brings back only this problem rise.
you done a mistake.i pm you what is that.....

Ts,just ignore his house environment that liquor and so on.Its modern now days.Everyone does.

Pictures of Our smses :

ME :

Hilmi :

ME :

HIS DRUNK REPLY, gave me a big shock as i din't know what was going on.
Hilmi :

Hilmi's Friend :


November 12th , NIGHT after COD in the Evening @ 6pm

Me :

Hilmi :

Me :

Hilmi :

Me :

After telling him that its faulty, I decided to get a refund, hilmi had agreed to meet me at his place at 1pm the next day 13th November. And i thought that maybe Hilmi is somewhat trustworthy after all. Keeping his word for a 3 day personal warranty.


November 13th

At 12.15pm, I was already on my way to his place with the speakers all packed up ready to get my refund.

Me :

Hilmi :

He just denied my refund after the promise he made. Pushing it to me saying I have a warranty card from Behringer. Item is 1 1/2 yrs old, warranty has ended, and he did not even provide me a purchase receipt to begin with as a reference for warranty, but theres no use for a receipt afterall because warranty period is already over. So what happened to the 3 days personal warranty from Hilmi? And he only tells me when I told him I'm coming and I'm already on my way to his place at almost 1pm (meeting time for Refund)

THIS is clear evidence of Hilmi Al Guffran NOT KEEPING TO HIS WORDS. 2 PROMISES BROKEN(3 Days warranty, and schedule to meet up at 1pm but ended up saying he's not home.)

I ended up going towards his place afterall and waited there for 1 hour.

Me :

Hilmi :

And then he replies , he said he will refund but NOT TODAY . Not TODAY ? So again he speaks of refunding it to me, but he doesn't have the money. So whats the deal here? Hilmi as a seller not being able to take responsibilities againts his words and action. Spending the money has got nothing to do with me. 3 DAYS personal warranty is what he stated clearly in his post, he should have kept the money UNTIL its passed 3 DAYS before spending it. Thats the right way to do things.

I supposed this guy isn't a very good business person afterall, DISHONESTY, IRRESPONSIBLE, UNRELIABLE.

This post has been edited by DT89: Nov 14 2010, 11:45 AM

A police report will be made regarding this thread later this evening. Mods, please advice.

- You test run the item at my place. It was in a working condition. You agree on buying the product. Thats it.
- A person social life should not intervene with this transaction. By posting such, you are literally humiliate me in such a way. I know there's an act under Malaysian law regarding this. Just so you know, by posting all my details, its a breach of my privacy.
- I don't want to post your SMS here although i feels intimidate with your "threat".
- I will consult the IO from this case, Commercial Crime division, and will keep fellow lowyat.net update.
- I suggest you remove everything about this as soon as i get the police report.
- I already suggest you to make a police report regarding this but you choose to humiliate me in this way. I will let the law enforcement take care of this.


Regards.
Hilmi

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Added on November 14, 2010, 12:17 pm- 3 days personal warranty is not a niche statement. (I don't mean to twist the words here but since you choose to do it this way, I have my own agenda as well)
- I would suggest you remove my details including full name, pictures, address and background.

Will make a police report regarding it.

Regards,
Hilmi

This post has been edited by ChocolateChipCookies: Nov 14 2010, 12:17 PM

just wanna know something

-its was in workin condition
hav u known bout the tweeter being blown n such prior to tis trade?

-wat does ur 3 days personal warranty covers?

- The tweeter was not blown when it was with me, neither when TS try it at my place. Its still perfectly working. TS bought it back, test it at his place, and God knows what he did with the speaker (he might blast the speaker up, i'm assuming that!). Here's a situation example; Let say if you buy a new Hi-Fi system, would you blast it for the first time? I think you would, everyone would do the same.

- Bare in mind, he's a sound engineer. He make a living with sound! Could he not detect any blown tweeter, faulty or whatnot when he test-run it at my place?

- 3 days personal warranty doesn't mean one-to-one change or full refund. We did not have any mutual understanding on this.

Its a rule of thumb, everybody knows. Before you buy a product, you test it out, when you're satisfied, you buy it. And this is what happened. I let TS, try out the speaker, he agree to buy it. As simple as that.

Put yourself in my shoes, would u consider a refund? I admit I intend to refund at first, but come to think about it, it wasn't my fault at all. I even suggest him to lodge a police report if he thinks he's being conned. Im on the right side, i'm not afraid.

Btw, TS, attacking my personal life is so immature of you.

Thanks for reading

Cheers.

Mods, please look into this ASAP. Kindly refrain him from using my details. Thanks.

Regards,
Hilmi

Hilmi,please be cool.
But this is how Dt89 felt about you.
I really dont know why and what about this argument for.

Hilmi brother,can i know you gave 3days personal warranty,which i mean warranty on anythin happen's like internal cuircuit stated or rather.
On my every deal,i will see 1st on that item.
Let say electronic or electrical item,only 2-3 days max i will give.
But i just will tell them that personal warranty not covered if the person who handle's the item damage it with or without knowing how to..

But since DT89 already test the item at your place,and it works fine due to heavy techno bass that didnt allow DT89 to review back again on Mid and Tweeter output.

Bringing it to law enforcement not a good idea.
If possible,settle it here.This is LYN dispute thread.
So you guys can defend your self also here.

But Helmi brother,3days personal warranty seems so promising.
But why you dont want to cover it for him(DT89).

My 2 cents:

1) It is not humiliating you Hilmi because you WERE drunk. Its proper facts, evidenced by your friend's reply that you were drunk. Hence it is not humiliating because it is part of TS's side of the story.
2) a personal warranty should not be treated as if it were nothing. a warranty is a warranty.
3) I do agree with you on the refund part, as when a seller lets a buyer test something, and the buyer takes it home, it is reasonable for the seller to be skeptical if there is any problem complained by the buyer after taking it home - thats why theres a warranty, a guarantee.
4) Probably a full refund is not needed but a 50% refund should suffice OR let the buyer provide a receipt of the repairs and you pay half, he pay half.

Yea man. Dont need to bring this to the authority.

Maybe dont need a full refund. Why dont you guys bring it for a repair and then solve the fees then? 50 - 50 or anything. I think that way is better than blaming each other here.

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Added on November 14, 2010, 3:41 pmExactly. A warranty is still a warranty. Please consider the suggestions given by Mike.

This post has been edited by Dagger69: Nov 14 2010, 03:41 PM

Makaveli,

Im cool if he stop using my details. Fair enough?

Anyway, let me quote what you said if you dont mind.
"But i just will tell them that personal warranty not covered if the person who handle's the item damage it with or without knowing how to.."
- Like I said, he's the one that blew the speaker/tweeter. Not me. I see no point of giving him my personal warranty when he was the one who blew it. What is it for me then?
- Everything was working perfectly when we test it. FYI, I gave him 'Kings of Leon - Use Somebody (Dezza Bootleg) & Jack Johnson - Only The Ocean to try the speaker with. It has a lot of Mid and High range. Youtube it! Not some fancy heavy techno like you said, or in this case, TS mentioned to you.
- He can definitely detect a faulty tweeter/speaker when we test it. After all, he's a sound engineer!
- Bringing the law enforcement if he didn't delete it within 24 hours. I will text him later.

- This arguments is going nowhere because its a clear cut that TS is at fault.

Regards,
Hilmi

my pioneer set still hasnt been blasted yet from mid to full volume
i dun wanna waste a few k just to blast it full n mayb left wit some broken items
bt tat is just me

bt seems
u didnt quite answer my 2nd question
wat did ur personal warranty entitled the buyer to

he nvr stated wat is his 3 days personal warranty entitles the buyer to
mayb its just to warranty for non workin or watsnot

ok
i just read ur previous reply

as tis is really goin nowhere
he can say u sold him a faulty item
u can claim he blasted the speaker n blown out the tweeter
its goin around in circles

why dun u both try to come to a conclusion to solve tis matter
u can text him n see how he reply

n next time in deals
pls state wat personal warranty entitles it to
since u claim both of u hav no mutual understanding on the warranty
it does make it an issue

This post has been edited by FallenOut: Nov 14 2010, 04:03 PM

Cool
Brother Helmi,
If could,please try to settle it here.
After see this thread,he even also defend him self here.
So revealing his information also kinda ummpp..not a good idea,unless Helmi con you with amount of cash and ran away.

So all of us would like to wish DT89 could quote some of his words here on what he think.
As i see,most of forumer who wish to contribute in you guys disputed thread suggestting a 50-50 share on the repair.
But since Helmi also claim that DT89 blew those tweeter and midbass cuircuit . Shall it cover in personal warranty ?
Correct me if im wrong

Mike,

1. On my defense, saying "F... you b****" was meant for another person. Apparently he text me during my conversation with a friend on BBM. I get confused between BBM and MSG. Its a common mistake by BB user. And that has nothing to do with this at all. Psychologically, TS is getting empathy from readers to backup his so called conned case. Thats about it. Agree?
2. Warranty is a warranty. Yes I agree. But if he was the one the blew the speaker/tweeter, would you refund? Put yourself in my shoes.
3. I insist of not refunding his money nor paying for repairs because it is not my fault at all. He tried at my place, everything was perfectly working. Then at night, problems occur. If the speaker was faulty, he should know when he tried at my place. I let him try with his own AMP or whatnot. He's a sound engineer, he should know right?

So yes, I am not refunding his money and I insist him to remove all my details. I will notify him after I lodge a report regarding the abuse I get from him and the use of my details without my permission. Im considerate enough for not treating his SMS as a threat. But if this goes on, I will.

Put yourself in my shoes.

Regards,
Hilmi

why not take the speakers together with the ts to a technician and get a price quote to fix it, as far as i know speakers do not blow over 2 days, there must be something wrong somewhere, and personal warranty should not be limited to whims that you "believe" the ts broke the speakers, do the right thing, or your just another crook out to make some easy money.

Exactly man. And TS is yet to reply any of this matter. All I want is for him to remove my details. Thats about it.

and no, I shall not take any responsibility due to TS mismanage the speaker.

FallenOut,

What's with the warranty when he was the one that blew it? Dude, a simple example is when you overheat your portable stove or whatever electronic stuff, and it is at your fault, would you claim warranty to the manufacturer? Would the manufacturer refund the money or repair it for you when it is at your fault? I don't think so. If I want to con him, why didn't I delete the warranty at the first place? This arguments goes no where. I just want him to delete my details, that's it!

Sounds like this is another case where seller will not hold his words for 'personal' warranty, and a hidden agenda?

You do not have any proof that the speaker is alright before you passed it to buyer. He did mentioned that the cosmetic look of the speaker has been in terrible condition too.

I'll stand on my ground. I won't refund nor pay for repairs. Kindly read what's really happening.

Cheers.

He was the one who tried the speaker. His girlfriend or friend was with him. Using my laptop and his AMP. I have his AMP application installed on my computer. Yes, I have proof. If the look is terrible, why did he buy it at the first place? If the tweeter/speaker is faulty why did he agree to buy? The speaker is never broken. Common sense.

To Hilmi, then you shouldnt have provided a personal warranty. If you INSIST that the fault came from the buyer and therefore cant claim warranty, how else can he claim that 3-day personal warranty?
isnt it the way a buyer claims warranty? its usually the buyers fault (but not on purpose of course) which causes the item to become faulty and then claim warranty. thats why people always extend warranty on new items.


I cant say for sure if this is a con case because there isnt any actual evidence which tells me when the item got faulty.

but this is a case of non-professional etiquette by the Seller.

As a sound engineer, we do not blast any other speakers or hi fi sets. This is not even a hi fi set, you really don't know what your talking about dont you? I listen and monitor mix at average listening pressure levels which is 40 db - 55db, and its all done indoor where there is no need for blasting. This speakers is stated to be able to produce sound pressure levels up to 90db and above. So if i we're to blow the tweeters on the night i tested it by putting on sounds that are that loud (90db - Stage monitor speaker level), the cops would have probably come after me for disturbance of peace in the neighbourhood, and FYI there's old folks who are bed ridden in this house i live in and i do have a sense of respect for others.

Any sound engineer would be able to tell you that. This speakers i work with and use are not merely for leisure music listening. I have work in several studios with many different set ups and as i see it, its quite impossible for me to blow a tweeter and fried its power amp chip just like that. This is definitely due to long term uncareful usage of speakers. By judging at the cosmetic conditions of this speaker, it looks like it's not just used indoors. There's heavy scratches and tears all over it. Speakers are almost punctured after taking a close look at it.

Your place is all dark and its not even a proper set up to test a speakers full functionality, you as a seller should atleast take responsibility to be able to provide proper testing before selling it. And best part it you dont even take your words seriously. Your 3 DAYS WARRANTY is clearly a lie, you are NOT PREPARED of the "what if"s that could happen after that. Therefore you shudn't even state that there is a warranty AT ALL. In this case, there clearly isn't any. If i were to buy this from behringer, thier ONE YEAR LONG WARRANTY covers these kinda issues without even denying with any excuses.

I saved up for months working saving here and there just to get my self something better to improve on my work, i've even sold off things to finance for this upgrade. But now it just seems like my work is stalled, plenty of time and money wasted for the empty trips u made me do and paying a tech to check on the problem. I've had enough with you and what ever u want to say. I don't expect to get any refund because i know it wont happen, i'll just work harder doing whatever i can to pay for the repair when i can afford it.

My point of this thread is clearly simple, I just want people who deal with YOU (Hilmi Al Guffran) to know who and what kind of person are they facing. Your words can NEVER BE TRUSTED. You twisted your words, and lied with empty promises. I've seen many con cases out there, wether your a scam, thats not up to me to decide on other people's behalf. I know for a fact, people like you will just pay for all your actions with what ever fate has to give you. Clearly there's no point in arguing with you calling you bugging you or begging you to do something about it after you've wasted my day. I'd rather just move on and I pray for you and hoping that your next victim wudn't fall in the same trap.

Ask your own conscience , did you even bothered about asking what is the repair cost?.......NO , not a WORD AT ALL. You pushed it all to me to settle it by my self, asking me to refer to an already expired warranty card by behringer, and also if there is any warranty from the brand it self, it also requires a PURCHASE RECEIPT which you clearly did not give me during COD.



PS: ChocolateChipCookies A.k.a Hilmi Al Guffran was previously a DJ and was using this together with his DJ set.

ok
allow me to clarify

for the warranty part
let me quote u
- 3 days personal warranty doesn't mean one-to-one change or full refund. We did not have any mutual understanding on this.
i was askin wat the 3 days personal warranty entitles the buyer to
r we sure here tat the tweeter was blown by the buyer or not
we r not u neither r we the buyer
we r the ones here tat try to see light at the end of the tunnel
n hopefully came to a conclusion for both affected parties
or somethin like tat

further quotes
- You test run the item at my place. It was in a working condition. You agree on buying the product. Thats it.
from tis i can say.u make it seem like the problem is ok.u brought it.any problems dun come find me since u test run it n u say its ok.then 3 days personal warranty is out

- 3 days personal warranty is not a niche statement. (I don't mean to twist the words here but since you choose to do it this way, I have my own agenda as well)
wat do u wan to twist

- 3 days personal warranty doesn't mean one-to-one change or full refund. We did not have any mutual understanding on this.
tis is the part which i based my questions on.wat does the warranty entitles the buyer to.i was askin a harmless question bt u seem to think im attackin u.i just wanna clarify wat u meant when u said 3 days personal warranty

i was just tryin to get a clearer picture of wat happened.we r not there so we know nuts wat happened.when we get the clear picture wit all the small details.wont it look btr n stop the same questions being asked again n again.if u do still think im attackin u again just to stand on the buyer side.i was nvr on anyone's side except my own views in every dispute thread.hence i was lookin for small details here n there.then i got nothin to say

really feel bad for ts to get conned by such a lying crook.

Dude,

First of all, nobody is attacking no one and I don't take it personally. Its for the sake of arguments. Its just me and TS. Back to where we are about the warranty;

- I should make it clear that if there is no sound coming out of that speaker, then he can send to technician for a repair and we can talk from there. The situation is, there is sound coming out from that speaker but TS was mentioning about muffled sound which i personally have no idea what it is. But the thing is, we already tried at my place and I didn't hear any problem with the speaker until he rise up the muffled sound.

- Will make a report later tomorrow, see how it goes from there.

@TS: Kindly join me at Balai Polis Kota Damansara tomorrow around 10AM. I will keep u notify.

We have laws in Malaysia and we should respect it. Let the authorities do their role and we conclude things? Don't make statements. If I have to pay back, ill pay him back. If I don't have to pay him back, then we agree on that?

- Lets talk at Balai Polis Kota Damansara tomorrow. Say at 10AM? Bring all supporting documents, proof, pictures and speakers as well. I will bring your money, pay u back IF they say I am at fault. Ok man? For now, u should remove all my pictures and details. I won't report against that if you remove it now. We just settle about the speaker. Don't complicate things.

I feel for you TS. Goodluck. Based on the seller's replies, i doubt you will get your refund. Work hard and get it fix.

Maybe Bro Apis can add him into the list of people we should not deal with? Havent seen Apis yet regarding this case.

FYI the "thing" i brought to try it with isnt an amp. It's a Audio Interface/External Sound card ( Line 6 Toneport UX2). There's is NO power amp circuitry in it to even do anything harmful to the speakers. Its a USB powered/data transfer AUDIO INTERFACE / SOUND CARD.

I hate do say this. But YOU Hilmi, clearly don't know much about audio equipments (from the replies you've given) and what not? Taking good care and maintaining proper usage of it i supposed ?

Reason why i bought it is because i'm a working musician/audio engineer, i work hard for everything, to pay my bills and etc. I cannot afford to even care about cosmetic defects therefore i have no choice.

I'm being considerate not to try the speakers as much because you told me that your friend was sleeping behind when i asked you if you were living in the apartment alone. And also I did not want to take too much of your time assuming that you were a genuine and honest person. I guess it was my mistake then even put my trust in your hands.

That has nothing to do with this. Don't go there. Be rationale.

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Added on November 14, 2010, 5:30 pmFair enough. But im still meeting you tomorrow right? Lets don't make statements that either one of us will regret tomorrow. So 10AM, Balai Polis Kota Damansara. Heck, we go together. Come over to my house. Don't make things worst.

This post has been edited by ChocolateChipCookies: Nov 14 2010, 05:30 PM

From the looks of what is happening, in my own honest opinion, going to the police, making reports won't solve the problem. there is no use because of such petty cases. the police will not have so much time to deal with "masalah budak-budak". I'm sure the both of you are not the only ones that are caught in this type of disputes. Many people have been cheated, lied to and scammed, do you think they have not tried going to the police? go look up every forum, there are so many cases and upon going to the police, the police aren't even interested in taking up the case, what more a lawyer.

Honesty goes a long way. Dishonesty goes an even longer way. Just do the right thing.

I agree with Dagger69, I doubt TS will get any refunds, but money can be earned, at the least, we'll be more cautious of the rising numbers of irresponsible sellers.

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Added on November 14, 2010, 5:38 pm+10

Seller will get into a bigger mess if police looks into this anyways since TS has proof.

This post has been edited by joannafoo: Nov 14 2010, 05:38 PM

I already offered TS to refund his money if I needed to. So what is still the issue here? All im asking is for him to remove my details. That's it. U do that, money is yours.

i think most of the post is startin to go off topic

excuse me
tis is a dispute thread
u can question the seller or buyer bout their trade etiquette
bt stop at the line wit those personal n social life
personal social life is just tat
leave it as it is

Refund first before removing your details.
With your dishonest and irresponsible attitude, I doubt after removing your details before refund to TS, you will twist your words like you did early on.

You did not make me any offers through text message or PMs. Only now I know about you offering to refund. How will I be able to trust that you will be refunding me after i remove. Why don't you refund first then I'll remove it.

I'm a man of my words. You have all the witnesses u can get in here.

He remove, and you will refund. You said it yourself.

This post has been edited by Dagger69: Nov 14 2010, 06:05 PM

Well , as i said again. Your speakers were placed on the floor during test at your place. It is natural for it to sound much bassier and less on the highs when our ears are capturing the overall frequency (hz / khz) So i was trying to bend and kneel and etc uncomfortably to place my ear to the same level of the tweeter speaker's position, but well obviously that din't work out for me so i tot i could trust you telling myself maybe speakers are placed on the floor, if i tried to monitor it while placing on a proper table / speaker stands which is ideal for proper sound monitoring levels, i would be able to hear the highs.

Info : Tweeters speakers produces the HIGHS in the overall sounds , Subwoofers provides the LOWS AND MIDS and MID HIGHS depending on certain subwoofer specs. BASS , lower end frequencies travels through ground alot more than anything else)

So in this case, only when i reached home, set up the speakers on a proper table which the speakers are placed at PROPER high and level for its sound aiming straight to our ears with a Stereo Left Right imaging set up. Only then i realise , YES the Tweeters are not functioning, therefore no HIGHS at all.

What point out to you here is, speaker testings cannot be done just like that on the floor with 1 song and in such a short time. Plus i'm uncomfortable kneeeling and bending and tired of putting my so low to the ground trying to hear the highs from the tweeters. BASS , lower end frequencies travels through ground alot more than anything else) so the lower i put my head trying to hear the tweeters the more bass i hear too. So to make things less complicated and i've decided to TRUST YOU and your 3 DAYS WARRANTY.

I've learned a hell of a lesson here regarding trust issues.

I'm here to tell you that, please be considerate and not self centered. You assuming the police will take this case and decide for me to meet you at YOUR place, YOUR time, and a police station at YOUR area. Do you know how much time is it for me to travel and how far it is for me to spend on fuel and tolls.

So do you think that i've got nothing else better to do in the morning at 10am, no work, no worries, no schedules to meet.



You refund, i'll remove it right after that. You have my word.

If this thing brought into police station, I guess it will be hard for victim to have an advantage.

Firstly, police does not know anything about sounds system, for them, janji ada bunyi can already.

Secondly, seller can frame buyer for putting up his personal information and bla bla.

I guess this first reason above is enough to put seller on higher ground here.

Good luck TS, I really do hope that this can be solve by having middleman here, but I guess seller would not do that.

DO NOT GO TO A POLICE STATION MAKING A REPORT ABOUT ELECTRONICS
they will just say , got audio/video/picture or its working and case closed . this conmen is certainly a smart one , hmmm

true... agreed. the best way is to go to a Behringer store and ask the technician there to check it.

I'm sorry to say , but from what i see , behringer distributors dont do the repairs locally. They themselves dont even do repairs, they have to send it to another tech. And just usually bare the cost themselves, because its too much trouble contacting behringer all the way in Germany.

now the seller already know he has upper hand from police you think he wants to go to behringer technician?

Another case of seller putting out the word "personal warranty" to make sales easier. Cases like this already happened a lot in this forum.

A warranty is a warranty. No matter if buyer already tested the item. Even if I buy an item from a shop, if the shop says 3 days warranty, I should be able to claim it even after I have tested the item myself before paying. Do you expect the shop to tell you go away because you tested the item before paying thus no more warranty?

That personal warranty is a contract by itself. If seller is not prepared to compensate for such matter then do not give "personal warranty" or put some clauses in there what's not covered.

I think both party should bring this to the tribunal court. That's the best way to settle this.

An update:

I also forgot to mention that Hilmi Al Guffran (ChocolateChipCookies) Did not answer any of my calls when i called him to ask for an explanation of why is he backing out on his promise to refund. I tot of calling and speaking on the phone as it is more genuine. But this guy has only resort to answering my replies through smses. I don't for sure if he is too busy to answer my calls or he is AVOIDING my calls. Some of my calls were cancelled instantly TWO TIMES IN A ROW.


I also found that "ChocolateChipCookies" Hilmi Al Guffran has another LYN Account, which is " STFUmofos "

good catch.......
now this dispute even shared to moderator and trade enforcement.

Again, 'personal warranty' been manipulate by an irresponsible seller.

To TS, yes.. as dagger69 said, u will not have your money back from this kind of seller. Twisting words, knowing that he already got an advantage, knowing that police also can do nothing, hmm.. i really feel pity on u bro. Last time we also got one forumer selling a headphone that also use this 'personal warranty' to escape himself been sold a faulty stuff, just exactly as your case.

My advise, next time if u ever feel like something not good with the deal, plz just leave it. Dont proceed. Yes, this is not a stuff that you can decide its good and working well just with a simple test, its need more then that to verify whether its good or not. I feel like for this kind of stuff, dont buy used items.

And to seller, my advise is dont twist your words. Yes, you win on this but plz dont twist your words, just imagine if this case happen to u. U said want refund, later said no refund. And my another advise is,

Nama dah cantik, Hilmi Guffran.. Sedap nama Islam kau.. muka pun hensem, ada tahi lalat pulak lagi.. tapi sayangnye.. tak bersyukur dgn nikmat tuhan, minum benda yang memabukkan.. dan bangga pulak mengaku.. This is not personal, this is more than that. Bertaubatlah.

its nearly 12pm no news still?

dia mabuk lagi kut??

Update:


Still no news from Hilmi Al Guffran.

I guess he ran away knowing that his conman tactics has faults. Sigh how far can he run tho..

TS,is time for you to pm MOD to give him a dispute tag.....and put him to the list of blacklist sellers in lowyat.net

there goes another conman

Update (Refer to 1st page ) :

Another account by Hilmi Al Guffran.

GraphicPlayground

His other 2 accounts :
ChocolateChipCookies
STFUmofos


Also a picture of his STFUmofos ID selling 2 phones ( iphone + blackberry ) for RM2k with NO CHARGER and NO BOX.

This post has been edited by DT89: Nov 15 2010, 08:44 PM

I think he still mabuk lagi

TS, giv him more 2 days and see how.

Seems like he doesn't bother much about it anyways.

haizz...so how about the meeting at Damansara Ara police station ? Helmi dont dare is it ?

This post has been edited by makaveli: Nov 15 2010, 08:56 PM

Don't know man, No calls, no updates, no notification.

Just asking...How would i know if he has already made a police report ?

But i doubt it, because police would'nt even bother about cases like these.

This Hilmi just like another version of intune.
Wanted to sue ppl but now disappeared.
Both also same want ppl to remove all their details, too scare to let ppl know ?

yeah... i think he wont... btw, ur speaker how? cannot be repair? or wil cost u a boom?

There could be a possibility that it's unrepairable depending on parts and how severe the damage is. A detailed check from part to part of the speakers is required to determine the cost of repairs. For further checkings i will have to start spending money, even for just a detailed check on what is to be replaced.

I have yet to ask the technician to perform the detailed check on the speakers because i would not want to be accused of meddling with its internal circuitry and making it another reason for him to not refund me.

So i'll wait for about 2 days for Hilmi to respond, if not i will just proceed. This is stalling too much of my time. And it is jeapordizing most of my work from day to day.

This post has been edited by DT89: Nov 15 2010, 10:20 PM

feel sympathy to u DT89...customer is always RIGHT


to hilmi...BERANI KERANA BENAR TAKUT KERANA SALAH

If you want to know if Hilmi logde a report against you or relating this matter,
just go to any police station look for your name or ic number(that how we trace)
but since i doubt he wouldnt do it.he dont have your name,ic or any identification.
theremore he cant even report in proper,due to the buyer(you) havent lodge also on this case.
if he really did a report or rather,ask him for the report number.
but i doubt.

Latest SMS to HILMI (10.02am November 16th) :




Text Message :

I'm asking you again hilmi, when will you be giving me my refund and take back your faulty speakers? If i were to proceed with the repairs starting by sending it in to a tech for a detailed check on parts, i will not consider anymore refunds, and i will leave your name, your picture and every other details of you online. I will not take it down anymore. Let me know of your decision by wednesday 12pm. if there is no respond from you by then, i will assume that you don't want to take any responsibilities on this sale (Behringer truth b2031a , price RM1000) as a seller and breaking your 3 days warranty promise. If my refund is given, I will do as I say and remove your name and details from all that i've posted online. Thanks.

I think TS's kind enough to give you a solution to solve the case while not making the issue worse,but instead,you keep requesting TS to take down your details before refund him......This is not the way to do business

not to mention
silence from him

i do admit
ts is really being very lenient towards u

if i was ts i would molotov that scammers house, see what warranty he gives then

So where is the Dispute Tag?

Hilmi havent passed his 7 days yet.after that he will get.
but considering he having 2 of dupe account.
Should get banned right. ?

Dare to online using dupe account but don't dare to show face here...screen captured @ 9am today

Yes, he used his other account STFUmofos to even create a topic in Kopitiam yesterday.




This post has been edited by DT89: Nov 17 2010, 10:21 AM

i think this is typical coward traits.....first try to scared you with a non-existing report and try to boast how well he knew the law. but when it got backfired, chicken out without even feeling ashamed........sounds familiar? just go out n catch one snatch thieves.....they will do/say the same and u can find the similarities when they are surrounded by the public.........good luck guys........i can say that he wont be paynig back....

If Hilmi not afford to give warranty, why give personal warranty?? <--- Warranty can't simply give. If you buy new item from shop, the price actually included the warranty cost.

If Hilmi can proof the speaker blew by buyer, then Hilmi deserve the right not to refund <--- Hilmi can't proof, so give warranty la, same as the shop did.

TS deserve the right for full refund on this case obviously.

Hate to see this kind of seller.

Hilmi must refund!

Deadline Message to Hilmi Al Guffran at 12.11pm (Wednesday, 17th November 2010) :



Haven't heard from you since your last statement of wanting to make a police report ? It's already your deadline for my refund, Wednesday 12pm, 17th November 2010. So i'll asume that you're running away from your responsibilities. You do know that you are on google search already with all your details on it stapled with a conman title. Just to inform you, I'm proceeding with sending the Behringer truth b2031a to a behringer authorized tech for a detailed check on parts and repair, and i will continue to expose you and your wrong doings to the public for as much as i can.

Thats a good idea.DT89 got all the details.


I dont think he will dare to speak up here again.
btw,DT89,i think now you should lodge a report against him if no refund till today.
you got all the evidence and make sure you print screen this thread for reference..

I think his "bird" fly already. Haha

So, cannot talk c0c1< anymore.

Ts, how much for the repairing cost?

wanna ask...wat is covered in a 'warranty' anyways?
when buying thru pos, seller will say, buyer bare risk (transportation,shaking,breaking yeah?)
i've read this thread from start...let say i buy an item, cod at one place (at that place, the item is still working)
but after driving the item home (still have shaking,gegar sane,gegar sini inside the car) the item faulty?
whose fault is that?from what i see from this topic, the seller should take 100% responsibility?
please do not flame me,I'm just really curious >.<

dont forget his address , if i got conned 1k , i would do stupid things onto his house , ala the classic chinese style

lu ngat lu kool sngt ka ambik gambar act gangster , sial btol .
but your kookie iz kiut



This post has been edited by dwin95: Nov 17 2010, 07:33 PM

Hey did someone actually delete my post ? WTF ?

Yet to find out, i'm going to an authorized dealer tomorrow who is able to send it to a authorized behringer tech for repairs. This includes all original parts. Cost of repair is yet to be determined until further check on the parts. But the service charge to rectify the problem will start at rm80. Depending on repair cost, the RM80 service charge could probably be waved.



As for police report, i would rather not waste my time at the police station because i doubt police would take this case seriously. Because there has been much serious cases happening as compared to this which they did not take any action about it also.

kpd hilmi: bertaubat la bro.. dunia dah penghujung jalan dah.. setitis benda mabuk tu pon dah sedih siksaan nya... pastu jadi penipu plak tu... tak JUJUR...

apis: takpe la bro.. nak buat camana.. teman tu dah amik tiket tol hiway to neraka... kita nasihat dia tanak dengar takpa.. janji dah lepas tanggungjawab kita sbgi sedara seagama dia... mudah2an dia dpt petunjuk sblum nyawa dia claim olehNya...

Does this answer your question? Read through the whole post again. TS can't really test the speaker properly when he is at the buyers place and not to mention, he is a sound engineer. He wouldn't do something stupid to damage the speaker isn't it?

Well, I did...of coz la not intentionally damage it...the item is quite old, and the bumping that happened in the car may have spoilt the speaker? (i'm just assuming,and yes,an assumption!)
I'm a university student, in which have damaged items unintentionally during the transportation of my items to college. computer and portable aircond, always have problem after some driving (need to check back screws, plugs), n, am i stupid enough to damage them?of course not.
I'm not defending the seller, it's just, this thread has been quite one sided. is he a responsible seller?no...is he a conman?he must be a really stupid conman to do cod at his place.
the way that i can see it, if TS tackled his approach better, he definitely can get his money back...but, the whole idea to put all of the details in the first place, is quite a bad idea, don't you think it is fair to get some probation time, until the details are being publicized? as I could see from intune(ip4 case), apislualua hold his information until a period of time.

Agree on 'not intentionally damage it'. I already experience this. Bring my X-Box 360 without it's proper bag to my mother's house. Then suddenly the 360 cannot read any disc anymore. Before that it works fine.

BTW, since TS knows the seller's house, why dun TS(bring some of his friend) go to the seller house & discuss on this issue..It's better than keep complaining here since the seller has totally ignore this thread.

This post has been edited by Sauron76: Nov 18 2010, 12:11 PM

No offence but I don't see this thread one sided. The buyer already replied, he is not taking his responsibility on the 3 days warranty, speaking up laws loudly as if he know anything, and he is gone now. If he is so innocent as he claim, where is him now?

Yeah is true that he won't con in his own place but what if you got police to help you? I'm not saying he bribe the police or anything. Common sense will tell you, police still do things as ''Janji ada bunyi dah ok''. I don't know much about speakers but from what TS said, I'll assume this is not something to generate sounds only. This is more like some peformance speaker. Problem is police won't even care about it.

Is kidda like a joke right? You sell faulty items and you can win legally in police station. Oh well is Malaysia. In my opinion, if only TS got a personal lawyer, this buyer would be in big trouble if bring up to police station. Almost 90% of his post here got backfired.

But seriously, I don't think the seller is a conman. Only an ultra-stupid conman deals in his house..

TS, go to his house to solved this. But bring your friends. Don't come alone.

This post has been edited by Sauron76: Nov 18 2010, 12:22 PM

I'm suggesting like Sauron^^ It's rm1000, just go to his house and settle?bring some friends in case he mengamuk when mabuk >.<

This post has been edited by keanoppy: Nov 18 2010, 12:22 PM

quote: "i dont think seller is a conman.only an ultra-stupid conman deal in his house"
i like this one +1

Going to his house to COD doesnt mean that the item is not damaged at the first place. Its just a tactic to makes you lose your guard because its "his house anyway, I don't think this fella will con me .." ..

he is a conman if that place is not his house >.<

[quote=Dagger69,Nov 14 2010, 03:39 PM]
Yea man. Dont need to bring this to the authority.

Maybe dont need a full refund. Why dont you guys bring it for a repair and then solve the fees then? 50 - 50 or anything. I think that way is better than blaming each other here.

Problem is now seller cuci tangan already... he dont event want to pay 50-50 repair..

not advisable
as he may claim ts bringin along some frens to threaten him

seller already mentioned no refunds

This post has been edited by FallenOut: Nov 18 2010, 10:01 PM

Details has been added to the famous list. Only to the members we should avoid list tho.

He think he looks cool with an inverted peace sign up, with some brush effects across the picture.

Thanks Apis for adding to your list.

I guess he's already dicthed all his accounts by now and try to create a new one. So watch out guys !

what a world ..even COD also get conned ..
i used to sold a lappie which the buyer claimed got dead pixel and he requested for me to pay the lcd price then the deal will be done..
i said nope and i said to him come back to me, i will provide full refund without question ask since its not a good working condition product anymore..and one more thing i didnt even mentioned anything about PERSONAL WARRANTY somemore..all i can say this is depends on individual, if the seller intend to cheat , of course no more refund no matter what..good luck TS..if he gonna refund, he will work out some method to refund you immediately or ASAP..he insisted about not gonna refund, i guess he is putting a full stop for this case d..

TS,

request moderators to put dispute tag on all his accounts!

it is a marker. least you can do for potential victims,

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Hi TS, the attach post with pic doesn't look like the seller, maybe STFUmofos not the same person?
Notice the mole on the chin is not consistent.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry26423968


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Interesting statements....hhmmm

even moderator do tag him in dispute,no one going to stop him creating new dupe account.