hai all,if my question been asked b4,pls point me the direction and sorry for tat coz i din't search it correctly...

I wan to know what is diferent between Plasma,LCD & LED....thx for ur reply...

I am also lazy to find.

However, I do have one interesting acticle for you to read. That is regarding viewing angle...

Wall Mounting: A Solution to LCD/LED TV Viewing Angle Issues

Different people have different opinion and I am just starting to check them out myself.

Generally speaking, if we are talking about larger screen like 42 or 50" and of similar price, these are my finding:

1. For picture quality, go for Plasma. I know people said LED is now getting just as good but for much higher price. LCD is totally out of contest.

2. To reduce power consumption by half, go for LED.


For me, if I want to reduce power consumption, I go to bed and sleep. If I wanted to watch movies, PQ is important so I will go for Plasma.

lol.....don't buy any tv then you will save even more. Plasma has good PQ because you are watching yourself in the mirror which comes with freebies like buzzer, heat generator and screen burner, definitely other tv cannot compete with

Are you saying the LCD has better PQ than Plasma for large screen?

Better PQ definitely LED TV, Plasmas are on their way to extinction, selling cheap in Harvey Norman now. Nobody knows which of those plasma can give permanent burn-in/ghost effect if you paused your screen (movie/game) and go pangsai for 1/2 hour and continue talking with your just-shock-to-know-pregnant-girlfren on the phone for another 2 hours.

Even the harvey norman and the astro guys dont recommend plasma for astro byond.

Since LED TVs are still expensive and all of them are fake* LED (LED backlighting only with over-enthusiatic color, very vivid contrast and brightness)

One can never go wrong buying LCD HDTV now.


*example of true LED Screen is AMOLED or super Amoled)

This post has been edited by chokia: Nov 13 2010, 11:44 PM

any better brand recommend for LED tv?

Like I said, I am only talking about PQ and those of similar price (not about ghosting, not about power consumption, not about specs etc) . LED is out of the question because it cost too much, what's the point of comparing a RM3000 Plasma vs a RM6000 LED?

Even if we were to discuss Plasma vs LED, most reviews seems to say LED picture quality is now approaching Plasma or as good as Plasma. Which to me, by reading between the line and putting my thinking cap on, is another way of saying Plasma is superior to LCD when PQ is concerned (which some people here disagrees). I stop considering LED simply because it is not worth the high price and with such fast advance in technology, within 2 years, it's obsolete already. Plus, they put strain on my eye with their intense light.

Now if you compare PQ of Plasma and LCD, I personally find Plasma beats LCD anytime, especially when there are movies with dark scene. For still picture like demo apples & oranges etc, LCD are very very attention grabbing. But hopeless in dark movies.

The story of LCD outselling Plasma (as far as PQ is concern) reminded me of history being full of examples of superior technology losing out to inferior technology when it comes to sale figure. Betamax vs VHS. Apple OS vs Miscrosoft Window. Proton outselling Toyota in Malaysia. Because I am a believer of history, I don't follow the crowd, I follow my eyes.

Oh BTW, I don't care what other people say, I only care of what my eyes say. Least of which what salesman said, I think everybody already know that. Here's a good write up on pros and cons of Plasma vs LCD. If you take time to read carefully, Plasma overall have better PQ than LCD but in Malaysia, many people said the opposite.
http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-tvs-plasma-tvs/

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Added on November 14, 2010, 5:50 amComparing only LED vs LCD, yes, I would totally agree with you. LCD has rubbish picture quality compared to LED. That's why I find it strange so many people think LCD picture better than Plasma.

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Nov 14 2010, 07:11 AM

Finally after a long tought of thinking and comparing between LED Sony KDL52-EX700 and Samsung LED UA55C6900, Panasonic Plasma 50V and Plasma samsung PS50C6500...Finally i bought Samsung Plasma because of the PQ, more cheaper than the rest and my eyes keep on saying that the Samsung Plasma is the right choice !

Keep on Searching on the net [Plasma Vs LED].....AS far as i'm concern only Edge LED with LCD screen in the market now.

I think is good choice. How much you bought it, where and warranty number of years?

Care to share

I am certain you really used your own eyes doing the judging and not listening to what salesman said (Plasma is old technology & going extinct etc). I too did not know the difference until I decided to go do side-by-side comparison and spending about an hour to come to that same conclusion, i.e, as far as PQ is concern, Plasma beat LCD anytime for watching moves especially those with night scene. No contest whatsoever. LCD is so much inferior.

While LED is much better than LCD, they are too harsh for the eyes and not comfortable for long hours watching. Beside, they cost way too much.

Hai bro, need your advise and expertise. Planing to get LED TC samsung for 42" series 6.
Is it advisable or u have other recommendation.
By budget is Between RM5k to RM6k

Thank you

Philips 40pfl5605s/98 is direct LED backlighting LCD not EdgeLED




LED backlighthing, Philips 40pfl5605s/98 is selling at RM3199 @ Best Denki, still can kowtim the price with salesman

fyi

I will only consider 50" and above. Panasonic 50X is RM3K so how much is the Philip's 50" LED?

For the samsung LED 6 series , They came in with 40", 46" and 55"....If u want 46" i can get around RM6.2K+-, But if u ask me, i prefer series 8 which is much more expensive! If u have some budget just take series 8 lorrr....

Other than is Sony KDL-46EX710 it cost u RM7.5K =-

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Added on November 15, 2010, 12:40 pmIt tooks almost 2 - 3 months to decide what should i go for!

This post has been edited by avantasia: Nov 15 2010, 12:40 PM

Well, I hasn't bought mine yet and like I said, I didn't know the difference between Plasma/LCD/LED. So what I did was, I pulled a chair and sat there watching. Initially the LCD attracts me with those stationary image of apples etc but when it comes to watching movies, something was not quite right and I actually prefer my old CRT instead! Then I turned to Plasma and did not take my eyes off it for solid 15 minutes and when I immediately turn back to LCD/LED, it actually hurts my eyes with their intense glare and that was when I know LCD/LED is definitely not for me. Who cares about old technology or extinct technology etc or whatever the salesman said because at the end of the day, it's whatever makes me enjoy watching more. Isn't that the whole point of watching movies?

Another thing I felt was, I sometime felt the sharper LED image have more digital artifact or have a less "organic" look to them. It's similar to listening to digital CD music vs analog LP with the former being more 'digital' or artificial.

So I know for sure, when I buy a flat panel TV for watching movies, it's Plasma for certain. Others can buy whatever they want for whatever reasons. Non of my business.

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Added on November 15, 2010, 1:24 pmPlease tell me the difference between the V and Samsung PS50C6500.

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Nov 15 2010, 01:24 PM

From my eyes The big diffrence between V and C6500 is their design which is series 6 is much more slimmer & stylish design..The most significant is RM1k higher than samsung.

i dunno wat to call this difference but the is the white colour of V series is slightly whiter than samsung.....

When test using blue ray disc, not much difference!! but i love Plasma samsung colour separation very much when compare to LED series 6 or 7

My Opinion on LCD / LED / Plasma (base on my eye):

Plasma

Pros
• Better in motion, you hardly seen any ghost / blur issue when object move.
• Better black compare with LCD.
  Cons
• If you seen closely, you will notice the way it draw line a bit like old fashion CRT TV.
• Not as sharp and details compare with LCD / LED.
• Dislike the glossy surface (most plasma) which will impact on viewing.
• Image Burn-in issue.
• Old tech which I believe soon will be obsolete.

LCD

Pros
• Sharpen in details.
• Power Saving
• Brighter.
  Cons
• Motion blur / ghost effect occur compare with plasma, high end series with higher Hz like 120hz or 200hz reduce more on ghost effect. 24P helping on it as well.
• Angle view not as wide compare with Plasma.
• Not ready true black as Plasma or LED. (After some fine tune, it looks nice)

LED - Backlight (Edge)

Pros
• True Black.
• Vivid color (sometimes I find it over vivid which became un-natural).
  Cons
• More problematic on motion issue, it actually generate more ghost effect in low end model compare with LCD.
• Expensive.

At the moment, I still suggest on LCD unless money is not your concern, then get a high end series of LED (with higher Hz for better in motion).

Plasma I won't get as it got burn-in issue, obsolete soon tech & not appealing me.

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Nov 15 2010, 02:18 PM

Bro avantasia, wanna ask u something. What so special about the Series 8. Might as well shoot to series 9 (The highest end of all ). If it's more than RM6k then I'm in trouble already . Like i said before, mine is only 40" to 42" (Max). Can't go for more because my room can only accommodate this measurement.
Truly unfortunate.

If u in my shoe bro, what will you take and any place (recommendation) to buy. Harvey Norman ok?

Good comparison, I am much with you.

One more thing about TVs - do not forget where and when you watch it mostly. Plasma is not that bright so it's not the best choice for daytime living room viewing. LCD which is brighter will do a better job.

I believe most LEDTVs now are still LCD panels with LED backlit to give true black background. I do think it is superior, cost more of course. Like it or not, seems the industry is going that way. Most shops now have LEDTVs from Sony, Sharp, Samsung, LG. Panasonic seems to be the only brand w/o it.

Series 9 is too expensive...Series 8 i guess still affordable!!

Take your time go Best Denki KLCC to compare, They can explain to u detail ... Sony LED EX710 at RM5k+- i can say a good choice, or samsung Series 6 but the color it's looks unnatural for my eyes!

I prefer to buy at my fren place whether LH or BGC..[good bargain definitely]

No everyone living room or whatever are the same or identical. Everyone have their own priority on certain aspect of the TV their want. So, buyers themselves need to visit the shop(s) and select the model according to their own eye, feeling and environment in their home before their make the final decision.

May I ask what's the price of the V50 and the C6500?

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Added on November 15, 2010, 3:55 pmLOL. One man's meat is another man's poison. Brightness is one thing I can not stand because it is harsh to my eyes.


This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Nov 15 2010, 03:55 PM

Sony LED EX710 at RM5k+- seems reasonable and good enough for me. Question, the ration is 1000000:1 right? Best Denki KLCC? BTS also have right?

But is not 3D right? But all the upper samsung series with 3d. is it display all the time in 3d motion or need to activate certain button?

Thanks bro, u been mostly help full.

3D? If not wrong, the most cheap 3D now is RM 7k+ for 40 inch - Samsung brand.

The rest all RM 15k+ and above.

You need to wear glasses for 3D, and only for 3D BD disc which running at 3D capable blu-ray player.

1) Plasma - picture sharp,clear but highest power consumption n generate a lot of heat

2) LED - got 3D, lowest power consumption but expensive

3) LCD - higher power consumption it compare to LED

50', 60', 100', i dun really care, none of my business, it's your problem,

my response is to ur previous statement as an info to be sharing with others who scouting for cheap and affordable LED atm.

I could not stand the old plasma.... with around 60-65Hz refresh rate.... My brain/eyes will not sense the throbbing refresh rate if it was 75Hz and above. Newer ones with above 100Hz -700Hz are great.

A great disadvantage of plasma is most panels are not true 1080p.. but lower or stretch resolution panel. There is no denying Plasma has better range and contrast and picture quality. Tri colour LED panels (not white) will probably beat it, but these are very expensive (the very high end SONY/SAMSUNG LCD LED panels).

Optiplex330... both plasma and LCD are digital panels, Plasma being less sharp is probably because the panel your looking at is not a true 1080p panel. If both LCD/LED panel and plasma panel are at 1080p, both are just as sharp.

Aside from back-light being CCFL or LED... there is little difference between the LCDs... just that LED panels may incorporate the latest tech in LCD tecnology, better contrast, better colour reproduction, faster panels. Switch the LED backlight to CCFL you essentially get/view the same thing. White LED has more advantage than disadvantage than CCFL. Tri colour LEDs has almost no disadvantage (except for OLED panels, if they last).

This post has been edited by BeastX: Nov 15 2010, 06:55 PM

I had the same experience until I learn more about plasma vs LCDs

1) Plasma looks bad in showrooms because showrooms are at least 5X brighter than our homes. Nowadays plasma tries to compensate it by torch mode but practically in our house, you will realise LCDs are too bright but tuning the backlight lower will disturb the contrast. SO you need to keep some lights on for LCD viewing

2) Plasma are reflective because it helps in contrast. Again in the showrooms it will look bad. Manufacturers are trying to mitigate the glare by applying AR (anti-reflection) solutions. You will also see that LED LCD have better contrast but if you look properly most of them are using reflective glass for that purpose.

3) Plasma colors are usually less vibrant out of the box. But they are actually more realistic. But Samsung has been able to persuade consumers that bright colors are great, which actually suits a lot of people.

4) Plasmas nowadays hardly get Burn in... Image retention (IR) possibly. If you break in your plasma for the first 150 hours or so and activate the anti-IR mode eg orbiter then you are ok. Still I would NOT recommend people use it as HTPC or gaming where there is a lot of fixed images.

These are the 4 main issues about plasmas. Power is not so much an issue nowadays as rule of thumb CCFL LCD uses 1/2 of plasma while LED LCD uses 1/2 of CCFL LCD. But 3 years ago 50" plasma easily uses 600W (peak) but nowadays around 300W. % difference similar now and 3 years ago but absolute difference is minor now.

There are CCFL LCD and LED LCD, defined by their backlighting. And LED LCD is further split into edge lit and direct array.

1) LCDs are great for still picture. They are extremely sharp, but ironically sharpness causes blur in motion. That is why we always reduce sharpness for viewing movies or video.

2) LCD colors are more vibrant out of the box. The stronger backlight also helps as the eyes are more sensitive to luma (brightness) than chroma (color)

3) Main advantage of LED vs CCFL backlighting is i) local dimming so that you can perceive better blacks. ii) strobing to reduce motion blur due to sample and hold effect.

4) To further reduce motion blur, frame insertion is introduced. There are the black frame insertion method (BFI) which purpose is similar to strobing, and frame interpolation to create a "video look" or commonly known as "soap opera effect"

In short if you are keen on NATIVE 24p movie and has a light controlled environment, then plasma is better choice. In a bright environment with some static images like HTPC or gaming then LCD is better. But LED LCD is catching up in terms of motion viewing but inherently LCD need higher framerate input at least 50/60Hz to reduce motion blur.

This post has been edited by specuvestor: Nov 15 2010, 07:38 PM

Don't know the price just say don't know lah. If it's my problem, why bother replying? Isn't that an oxymoron statement?

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Added on November 15, 2010, 7:21 pmHa. Lucky I didn't get that problem simply because back then, I wasn't interested in buying panel TV so never really study what's available etc.


This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Nov 15 2010, 07:21 PM

You can also further split LED to "Tri colour LED" or "White LED"

LOL since when this forum can't be discuss, sharing, rebuttal, be opinionated, etc?

when someone else debunks your general point i.e.




and instead proof there is a cheaper LED


you just went sharp dull and hype at other's reply


keep the "sharp dull" attitude to thee-self please


it doesn't help in discussion


dunno price tag? what a bollock! hahaha


try again please, this time around no reply frm me to contribute to your post counts.

To me, this kind of thread is only create more argument. To make it simple, neither Plasma or LED LCD can completely superior than other. For example, maybe Mr. A think that brightness for LED LCD is a + point to him/her but other maybe think it is - point.

So, still like I said early, visit the shops, observe those TVs yourself with relevant knowledge of those technology and choice the one best fit your need (of course, within your $ limit) and your room's environment. After all, this is your TV, not other people TV. Closed case.

This post has been edited by low98944: Nov 15 2010, 10:43 PM

You are comparing apples and oranges. There is a big difference in size between 40" and 50"

A 50" Plasma can be as low as RM3000. How much is a 50" LED? Surely more expensive, no?


This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Nov 15 2010, 11:20 PM

NX710 have 3D, EX710 dunt have!

Most of samsung 3D series displayed in 3D...7, 8 & 9 series are available at Best Denki..

50V = RM5.6k
C6500 = RM4.6k

Watever it is trust u'r own eyes/pocket

Which one is better?

KDL-40NX700 (Is this LED?) What the ratio of this set? Is is 1000000:1 - RM8,000 (Retail price)
or
UA40C6900 40" Series 6 (What the ratio of this set? Is is 3000000:1) - RM?

I personally remeasured my room. Dam I can only go for 40" as my room a bit cramp. 40" best fit. What a waste =(

This post has been edited by doremon: Nov 16 2010, 08:35 AM

already pulled the trigger eh?
noticed anymore motion juddering with 24p playback at home?

To be frank I prefer 24p movies than those display at showrooms where the motion is too smooth... and turn out fake...

so far when play using BD-C5500 and Blue ray disc no issue on that! very satisfied so far!! And Thanx to u too for enlightened me!!

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Added on November 16, 2010, 10:49 amI dun give a damn bout their contrast ratio...

New model is Sony NX710-3D / or go for EX710 - no 3D ....i guess this has more natural colour than series 6 samsung LED.

UA40C6900 is a way cheaper than Sony EX710

This post has been edited by avantasia: Nov 16 2010, 10:51 AM

you're gonna be even more satisfied after messing up with the color configuration. still running on default i presume?

One recent post in www.blu-ray.com is similar to this post:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/plasma-tvs/157380...lasma-best.html

Lol, relax bro. We are playing with the big boys here. Spending almost RM10k stuff of course we need to be sure of everything. Most definitely questions will be asked (no matter how ridiculous is sounds lol).
After viewing,thinking and research lol, I managed to filter down to 2 selection
http://www.sony.com.my/product/kdl-40ex710
or
http://www.sony.com.my/product/kdl-40nx700

Hope can come to a conclusion by the end of this month. Some more have to find small rack and suitable media player. Already got my sound system
http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/...uctID.169418000
Not sure can fit in nicely or not.

Finally someone who tries to be impartial

In the end depends on your eyes , what you like best. Certain scenes Plasma better, certain scenes LCD better. Can't have it all, just choose according which citeria you find most important to you.

Interesting observation. Foreigner seems to go for picture quality regardless of what sort of technology, old or new. On the other hand, Malaysian goes for whichever is considered newer technology, does not matter whether picture quality is better or worst.

Relax lah bro, if you like plasma, go ahead with it and enjoy your tv, no need to bother about others who prefer LCD or LED. If you judge the PQ by your own naked eyes, that's where others also doing the same thing and different ppl perceive it differently because of their own preferences, take a break

I have not bought the plasma because of the reflection issue, not the PQ issue. But I notice some are significantly less reflection than others but at higher price. So may as well wait and see what's on offer around Christmas time.

Yepp ...still on default...u PM me la the best configuration!! i dun have time at the moment!!

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Added on November 16, 2010, 2:39 pmLol, relax bro. We are playing with the big boys here. Spending almost RM10k stuff of course we need to be sure of everything. Most definitely questions will be asked (no matter how ridiculous is sounds lol).
After viewing,thinking and research lol, I managed to filter down to 2 selection
http://www.sony.com.my/product/kdl-40ex710
or
http://www.sony.com.my/product/kdl-40nx700

Hope can come to a conclusion by the end of this month. Some more have to find small rack and suitable media player. Already got my sound system
http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/...uctID.169418000
Not sure can fit in nicely or not.

I'm a cool already, never jump.....it's just a sentence that i use...

Both i guess a good choice...But in my future i will consider Samsung LED UA55C8000...hi hih hih hih

This post has been edited by avantasia: Nov 16 2010, 02:39 PM

Looks like I going for (70% confirm)
http://www.sony.com.my/product/kdl-40nx700
But the price a bit high. Anyone know where can get cheap?
like RM7K below. Standard warranty is 1 year. Can they extend it till 2 or 3 years?

Surely can have extra warranty as long as u pay extra for it!

Btw BD/HN sometime can give a good discount!! IMHO 40EX710 is more than enough!

Hi guys,

LED TV actually not a correct term should be used bcoz both so called LCD & LED TV are using the same medium which is 'Liquid Crystal Display' panel. Typically when ppl talk about LCD they are referring to LCD panel TV with convesional CCFL light source to illuminate the panel.
So, Basically 'LCD TV' can be illuminate by 2ype of light source which; 1)CCFL -Cold Cathode Fluorescent Lamps or 2)LED -light emitting diode

..ontop of LED LCD TV, the position of the LED currently have 2 type; 1)Backlit LED @direct array or 2) Edge LED-position around the TV panel @frame

and finally the LED diode itself have 2type of it; 1)RGB LED -red green blue or 2)white LED
*for Edge LED light source (LED at frame), ONLY white LED diode will be use & for Backlit LED it can be RGB or white LED diode will be use.



But for plasma TV inert gas will be use as a medium for panel insteat of Liquid Crystal (LCD)



*If u ask my opinion, I prefer Backlit direct array LED LCD non-glossy surface TV bcoz;

- My hall room surround by window and glass sliding door to my balcony and reflection is my biggest enemy
- It give the highest and true black (LED off) contrast & brightness +tint can be adjust to suit your eyes
- Higher in Hz for fast motion scene compare to CCFL LCD TV
- Did not generate alot of heat that can make your room feeling warm
- Very low energy consumption where in return you save your electricity bill in a long run
- Long lasting light intensity compare to CCFL where the intensity % slowly will be reduced
- & lastly as the LED has been widely commerciallized, it become affordable to many ppl

*For info I bought my 40" Philips PFL5605S Backlit LED LCD TV & 3yrs warranty for only RM3399 +free philips blu-ray dvd player xtra original HDMI cable &Philips headphone. Which I think its worth every ringgit I spent.

Just sharing my knowledge to every of you.