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post Nov 1 2010, 10:47 AM

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I believe not even fans who would like to do a Fantasy Manager. I believe even the man utd player itself will suggest good player to fergie to buy? Are they transfer muppet too? I believe there is really no harm by saying: 'Wah VDV was great, we should have bought him' as long we do not discredit our player that is fine.


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post Nov 1 2010, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Nov 1 2010, 10:35 AM)
For me, I just wanted to emphasize that at the end of the day, the decision lies with SAF. I am emphasizing this reminder because that is something a lot of people seem to forget. Then when things don't go their way, all kinds of frustration boil over leading to disrespect of the players and the manager. I've seen far too much abuse on players like Nani, Fletcher, and Berbatov. Even SAF.
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it's nothing wrong for fans to hoping someone (with big name) to play for their beloved club, but it's wrong to criticize our own player(s) only after few bad display. Fletcher, Carrick, Park, Berbatov and even JOS are the victims.. what about Rooney? everybody loves him even though he only score once through penalty after the Wembley CC final, and almost no-one criticize him(at least from the fans).. why we cant treat everyone else in the club the same as Rooney?

Our team has improved as weeks gone by and almost got to the best form to be a serious title contender (NOTE: not top 4 slot, but to actually win the league!). Rafael for one has done a very good job in shutting down on-form Bale (whom he teared down Inter's RB in Maicon), Park is roaming everywhere (need to improve on the finishing though), Carrick and Fletcher are intercepting almost every threat and Berba is Berba (whom he know to score/pass beautifully)

Not forgetting to mention about Nani. Sure we'd missed Ronaldo, but if he havent moved on, who's Nani now? probably sold-off to some other league playing for some club. He'd showed maturity on his game (the way he get permission to kick the ball into goal vs Totenham shows that he respect the game and he dint intend to cheat, it's just how the game being played), but need to buckle up from so-called "acting"

if the so-called fans are in charge, most of the first XI are gone by now and our youngster will always be overlooked. Surely nobody will know the word CHICHARITO - ever
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QUOTE(l_berd @ Nov 1 2010, 10:57 AM)
if the so-called fans are in charge, most of the first XI are gone by now and our youngster will always be overlooked. Surely nobody will know the word CHICHARITO - ever
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post Nov 1 2010, 11:30 AM

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If sheep is in charge, Manucho and Diouf will be the awesome duo tearing apart every defence there is, including ours in training.
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QUOTE(Wan @ Nov 1 2010, 11:30 AM)
If sheep is in charge, Manucho and Diouf will be the awesome duo tearing apart every defence there is, including ours in training.
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lol...


Added on November 1, 2010, 11:39 am
QUOTE(boxsystem @ Nov 1 2010, 10:30 AM)
No harm in fantasizing players coming in. But it is ridiculous when you're discrediting your own players and said this/that player would do so much better with us. muppets, given to those been dreaming that [insert-names] should join us. again, as you have mentioned, without proper explanations on why.

simply just because the player has abilities, we should sign him. that's always the case. then the cycle repeats itself.

basically, it's trust and faith are needed. Trust the team and SAF. that's all. I could easily point out week after week on how our current crop being heavily criticized and should be replaced.
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All good point boxy. I understand where you are coming from.

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But I think so far not that much muppetry on the thread recently right? Just some banter for awhile, then after that we focus back on the matches at hand. I think most here do trust the team and SAF, but we just speculate a bit here and there is no harm, after all, we don't know what SAF is thinking, and he won't tell us until he's signed someone.


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QUOTE(Sheep319 @ Nov 1 2010, 10:49 AM)
No Carrick? Alriiiight.

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I sappork this statement. tongue.gif

This post has been edited by coochiecoochie: Nov 1 2010, 11:40 AM
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post Nov 1 2010, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(coochiecoochie @ Nov 1 2010, 11:35 AM)
lol...


Added on November 1, 2010, 11:39 am

All good point boxy. I understand where you are coming from.

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But I think so far not that much muppetry on the thread recently right? Just some banter for awhile, then after that we focus back on the matches at hand. I think most here do trust the team and SAF, but we just speculate a bit here and there is no harm, after all, we don't know what SAF is thinking, and he won't tell us until he's signed someone.


Added on November 1, 2010, 11:40 am

I sappork this statement.  tongue.gif
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That's the beauty of it. SAF is just full of surprises. To be honest, I was quite baffled when he subbed Scholes in for Berba last week. Only then I see the reasons why he did so.

On transfers, you missed out when Berba came in. Goodness. There were many stayed up just to get any updates on him. It started with that video from SSN. It was fun. But then again, that Berba transfer was more on fachts than just sensational journalism.

I reckon that SAF might sign someone this January. But, it won't be a star as many would hope so. Don't get your hopes too high.
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One thing to add:

Yes we are not City. That's why I am sure, inside SAF's head, he already has in mind who he thinks should be shipped out to make way for 1 or 2 signings come next summer.

If high-profile player is targetted, it is likely a 1st team player is on the chopping block.

So like it or not, our current 1st team will likely see some changes.

I think simply because someone doesn't quite like one or two of the 1st team players we shouldn't attack them and say they are glory hunter, muppets, lalang, etc... Tak-kan we must be totally loyal until we have to love every single current man utd player?

Chica is the perfect example about BOTH the muppets and the zealots.

Example: if before we signed Chica, and some 'muppet' here keep promoting Chica and saying SAF should sign him because he got potential, and we need more boost in our forwards, Macheda maybe still not so good, etc... what would the typical hardcore fans here say to him?

"Our squad is good enough, why you so muppet, why you criticise the macheda, why you don't trust SAF?"



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post Nov 1 2010, 11:54 AM

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Strong squad for Turkey trip

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Sir Alex insists he will be taking a strong squad to Turkey for the Champions League clash with Bursaspor on Tuesday as United continue their pursuit for a spot in the knock-out stages.

With Rangers and Valencia - United's closest challengers in Group C - meeting in Spain on the same night, victory for the group leaders over bottom-placed Bursaspor, who are yet to pick up a solitary point, would see the Reds take a big step towards qualification for the last 16.

Asked by MUTV if he might be tempted to leave some of his big names in Manchester, Sir Alex said: "I'd rather take a strong squad and try to make sure we move closer to getting through to the next stages.

"If we win we'll be on ten points and we're virtually qualified then. That's the way I need to look at it.

"If there are any doubts [over players' fitness] I won't take them, but it looks like they're all okay," added the boss, who saw his side beat the Turkish champions 1-0 at Old Trafford eleven days ago

The Reds' last visit to Turkey, for the group clash with Besiktas last September, ended in victory thanks to Paul Scholes' late winner. Sir Alex would certainly take a similar result on Tuesday night in Bursa.

ManUtd.com will bring you the travelling squad on Monday morning. You can also follow our 'Today in Bursa' blog throughout United's stay in Turkey.


http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=...&newsid=6653198

1 Man Utd 3 2 1 0 2 0 2 7
2 Rangers 3 1 2 0 2 1 1 5
3 Valencia 3 1 1 1 5 2 3 4
4 Bursaspor 3 0 0 3 0 6 -6 0

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/e...les/default.stm

Let's get the win needed to reach the 10pts mark and then we can give a run-out to some of the squad members who need more game time under their belt.

ps: We alongside RM, are the only teams who yet to concede in group stage so far
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post Nov 1 2010, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(alien2003 @ Nov 1 2010, 11:54 AM)
Strong squad for Turkey trip
http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=...&newsid=6653198

1  Man Utd  3  2  1  0  2  0  2  7
2  Rangers  3  1  2  0  2  1  1  5
3  Valencia  3  1  1  1  5  2  3  4
4  Bursaspor  3  0  0  3  0  6  -6  0

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/e...les/default.stm

Let's get the win needed to reach the 10pts mark and then we can give a run-out to some of the squad members who need more game time under their belt.

ps: We alongside RM, are the only teams who yet to concede in group stage so far
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Hehe but 2 goals only... Really need to put on more firepower...
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QUOTE(alien2003 @ Nov 1 2010, 11:54 AM)
Strong squad for Turkey trip
http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=...&newsid=6653198

1  Man Utd  3  2  1  0  2  0  2  7
2  Rangers  3  1  2  0  2  1  1  5
3  Valencia  3  1  1  1  5  2  3  4
4  Bursaspor  3  0  0  3  0  6  -6  0

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/e...les/default.stm

Let's get the win needed to reach the 10pts mark and then we can give a run-out to some of the squad members who need more game time under their belt.

ps: We alongside RM, are the only teams who yet to concede in group stage so far
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we are now also the team with longest unbeaten streak among the major leagues flex.gif
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QUOTE(coochiecoochie @ Nov 1 2010, 11:49 AM)
One thing to add:

Yes we are not City. That's why I am sure, inside SAF's head, he already has in mind who he thinks should be shipped out to make way for 1 or 2 signings come next summer.

If high-profile player is targetted, it is likely a 1st team player is on the chopping block.

So like it or not, our current 1st team will likely see some changes.

I think simply because someone doesn't quite like one or two of the 1st team players we shouldn't attack them and say they are glory hunter, muppets, lalang, etc... Tak-kan we must be totally loyal until we have to love every single current man utd player?

Chica is the perfect example about BOTH the muppets and the zealots.

Example: if before we signed Chica, and some 'muppet' here keep promoting Chica and saying SAF should sign him because he got potential, and we need more boost in our forwards, Macheda maybe still not so good, etc... what would the typical hardcore fans here say to him?

"Our squad is good enough, why you so muppet, why you criticise the macheda, why you don't trust SAF?"
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You give too much credit to the muppets by mentioning Chichi. Nobody knew who he was before the news broke through that we already sign a deal with his club and him. 7m, unknown.. and thank god he's good. If not we would never hear the end of it saying we should have bought VDV for the same price blabla like what happened with Bebe. Most of them see the established 'stars'. Signings that would normally cost 15m at least and most hover around the 20m mark.
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QUOTE(leongtat @ Nov 1 2010, 11:57 AM)
Hehe but 2 goals only... Really need to put on more firepower...
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We will get there. And when that time comes .. drool.gif

QUOTE(dEviLs @ Nov 1 2010, 12:05 PM)
we are now also the team with longest unbeaten streak among the major leagues flex.gif
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How many matches currently? I heard it's 25++ isn't it? Don't want to jinx the team. Hehe.

Long it may continue!!!
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City game coming up soon. Good game to lose in. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Nov 1 2010, 12:09 PM)
We will get there. And when that time comes ..  drool.gif
How many matches currently? I heard it's 25++ isn't it? Don't want to jinx the team. Hehe.

Long it may continue!!!
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QUOTE(Wan @ Nov 1 2010, 12:11 PM)
City game coming up soon. Good game to lose in. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Nov 1 2010, 12:09 PM)
We will get there. And when that time comes ..  drool.gif
How many matches currently? I heard it's 25++ isn't it? Don't want to jinx the team. Hehe.

Long it may continue!!!
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let us be the next invisible team!!!!!! flex.gif
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QUOTE(angel-face @ Nov 1 2010, 12:16 PM)
let us be the next invisible team!!!!!! flex.gif
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you meant invincible don't you ? sweat.gif
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looking at the UCL table, we're not that safe yet.. if we're expected to win over Bursapor, same can be said to the other two teams. that make's 10pts for MU,8 points for Rangers and 7 for Valencia. say Rangers and Valencia draw in the coming match, that makes 9 for Rangers and 8 for Valencia. IF both can overcome MU in their respective encounter, we're out!! even if Valencia lost to Rangers, they still can archieve 10 pts (maybe we had an edge of head-to-head encounter here?)

so, nothing's safe, and we desperately need these 3 pts
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QUOTE(dEviLs @ Nov 1 2010, 12:18 PM)
you meant invincible don't you ? sweat.gif
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Invisible? How on earth are we going to watch them on TV them? Another side of it, the opponent wouldn't able to see us either! laugh.gif

QUOTE(l_berd @ Nov 1 2010, 12:19 PM)
looking at the UCL table, we're not that safe yet.. if we're expected to win over Bursapor, same can be said to the other two teams. that make's 10pts for MU,8 points for Rangers and 7 for Valencia. say Rangers and Valencia draw in the coming match, that makes 9 for Rangers and 8 for Valencia. IF both can overcome MU in their respective encounter, we're out!! even if Valencia lost to Rangers, they still can archieve 10 pts (maybe we had an edge of head-to-head encounter here?)

so, nothing's safe, and we desperately need these 3 pts
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Of course mathetically we could still fail to qualify but the 10pts mark has always been the way we target our qualification.

Uefa Champions League : Group C Table
Wednesday, 20 October 2010 21:54 UK
P W D L F A GD PTS
1 Man Utd 3 2 1 0 2 0 2 7
2 Rangers 3 1 2 0 2 1 1 5
3 Valencia 3 1 1 1 5 2 3 4
4 Bursaspor 3 0 0 3 0 6 -6 0

Bursaspor v Man Utd, GpC, 19:45
Valencia v Rangers, GpC, 19:45

Rangers v Man Utd, GpC, 19:45
Valencia v Bursaspor, GpC, 19:45

Bursaspor v Rangers, GpC, 19:45
Man Utd v Valencia, GpC, 19:45

Assuming the other 3 teams will *as expected on paper* beat Bursaspor, it will means us with 10, Rangers 8, Valencia 7. But both Valencia and Rangers will face each other this round and both could drop points. Not to mention we will face Valencia at home so we still have the slight upper hand in terms of controlling our own fate.

This post has been edited by alien2003: Nov 1 2010, 12:34 PM

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