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kevinlw
post Aug 6 2007, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(echobrainproject @ Dec 31 2005, 03:39 PM)
preamps can cost from a few hundred ringgit to a few thousand. u can try cheap tube mic preamps such as behringer mic100, or one by dbx. i've tried these two budget tube preamps. i have also tried(and work with them for live purpose) lots of different high end preamps and u'll be surprised how much it will change your tone. it wont change it in such a drastic way as a guitar amp does but the difference can be heard(eg: a more enhanced sound).

recording using a laptop isnt much of a problem if u know how to set things up properly. i did a number of recordings for ppl using my laptop and still it sounded good. cant upload any now because my uni's internet is down and i cant afford to go to starbucks just to use their wifi.

pix, preamp plays more role in moulding the tone, not amplifying it. that will be the poweramp's role.

leadaxer, if u want a room ambience or a studio feel to your recordings, u can always add studio reverb, where u can adjust everything from room size, ceiling height, amount of reverb, etc. Remember after recording your guitar, there are still lots to do to make it sound good such as compress, eq, etc.

i've never tried software guitar amp modelling before so i wouldnt know. i've used behringer, podxt, boss gt8 and others. theyre very good. having good equipments is one thing, knowing how to use them to get the best out of them is another.
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Apologies for breaking the thread but i need some guidance. i'm doing speech recordings on a Dell laptop for my Buddhist center. The Dell doesn't have line-in, only mic-in. Our pre-amp is a local brand, Amperes MX-2122, it has a REC OUT, unbalanced output(phono jack) and a BGM balanced output (phono jack) 3/4in. Output level is 1.25v, 600 Ohms +4db.

My current setup - Std PC mic going into the mic input. this captures all ambient sounds as well as the speaker's voicve from the PA.

Can I use a direct cable connection from one of the outputs into the mic-in? I understand basically, that the pre-amp's output is stronger than what a std PC mike's output. Something called impedence but not sure how to customise the cable so that I don't burn out the laptop.

Hope someone can help me.

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kevinlw
kevinlw
post Aug 7 2007, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(Bassix @ Aug 6 2007, 08:29 PM)
if i'm not mistaken, those onboard PC soundcards have preamps in their mic jacks. So if u use another preamp ur going to get distortion.

My suggestion would be to get another one of those cheap desktop mics for recording. So you have 1 mic for live and 1 mic for recording. The quality is not that bad considering it's only speech. Simple as it may sound, i think this is the easiest way to do it.
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unfortunately, adding more hardware is not an option for me. i've got to run with what we have....the laptop has audacity 1.2.2 (i think) as the recording software. the std pc mike works o.k. but i'd like to have a "cleaner" recording. Some speakers tend to walk about with the regular mike; as i mentioned earlier, my pc mike is actually recording the ambient sounds i.e. speaker et all including coughs, sniffles, kids running n falling upstairs not to mention the occasional release of bodily gases.

Is there any way i can mod n use a cable to connect the preamp to the laptop? Read a posting from
India where the chap was doing similar recordings had a 100K ohm resistor soldered across one line & ground of the cable.

With the rather unlimited expertise out there (totalled), I hope someone can verify this and perhaps instruct me on how to get it done. I do appreciate the advise so far but as budget is practically nil, I'm sponsoring this 'upgrade'. needless to say, my own budget's very tight as well so things got to be as cheap n simple as they can get.

i've been to st. Xavier's in Jalan gasing, PJ n they have jury-rigged several overhead mikes to capture the accompanying choir where they sit; this gave me a idea to set up a similar op but need to check on availablility of mikes n connections.

Thanks in advance for the assist.

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kevinlw
post Aug 7 2007, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(hoongern @ Aug 7 2007, 10:26 PM)
Erm.. I'm not a sifu... =)

But anyway.. I'm not sure I understand correctly.

You already have a PA system setup with your amperes? And it has a unbalanced out? What I would try doing is just make sure your 20dB boost is disabled on your mic input.. and just plug it in and see what it sounds like. At the worst.. it'll be distorted. (I just tested - just using a standard line-level unbalanced cable run to the mic input, 20dB boost off, and make sure your signal from your PA system is turned very low, and it should be fine)

Example how "bad" it can be:

http://www.graceabundant.com/other/micinput.mp3

That's headphone output of one laptop playing music, connected to the mic input of my Dell Inspiron 600m, headphone output about 10% volume, 20dB boost off. No resistor =)

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Anyway, if you are unable to do that and only have the PC mic, you have 2 options, I'd say

1) Put it right in front of the PA speaker. You'll get pretty bad sound quality, but it should have the speaker isolated
2) Put it as near to the speaker (the person) as possible. The further away it is, the more room sound you're going to pick up.

If the speaker is already using a mic connected to the PA system.. then just directly connect the PA system to your laptop as mentioned above. But please don't blame me if your laptop blows.. =\ Hasn't blown for me yet..
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Yes, the PA is hooked up to the preamp. I can get the standard line-level cable from SS2 PJ electronics or do I have to go to Jalan Pasar? Thanks for the headsup on the PA's signal level...I'll have to find the controls B4 I connect the two up.

The pc mike works fine but it sounds like I'm recording in a cave or something....BTW, can I use a rheostat or variable resistor to control the signal level prior to the mic input (if the PA doesn't have a control for the unbalanced output? I understand rheostats control electrical current and the PA system's output is a form of electrical currrent, isn't it? That is if I can find a rheostat within the next couple of days.. Another possibility is the balanced output.?

Thanks for the inputs. Will try to remember to update all with my results...maybe in a couple of weeks time after I've had time to search for the control n parts...

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