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post May 22 2006, 03:53 AM

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Hi all, I'm trying to help my friend record some of his songs on my PC. I've read through the entire thread but I'm still a bit unsure on some parts.

Do I need a amp/preamp to bring out the best from my friend's electric guitar?

Can a mixer like the Behringer Eurorack UB502 replace a preamp/amp and yet bring out the best from a electric guitar?

My PC is equipped with a EMU 0404 btw.

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post Nov 24 2007, 06:05 AM

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Any recommendations for a small diaphagram condenser mic?

Looking for something mid-range...not too crappy or too high end, something I can continue using 2 or 3 years down the road.

Looking for usage as drum overheads/acoustic guitar micing...currently looking at the MXL 603 and Audio Technica 2021. Any comments on both these mics?

Btw, has anybody got thoughts on the following mics? Audio Technica AT 2020, AT 4040, AT 3035, AT 4041, Audio Technica ATM89R, Studio Projects B1, Studio Projects C1, Rodes NT1A

Last question tongue.gif Any comments on the MOTU 8pre compared to the Presonus Firepod?
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post Nov 24 2007, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(Namqul @ Nov 24 2007, 11:02 AM)
http://www.my-mic.com/main.htm <--- you might want to look at this. i dont know anything about mic tho, that is from my read at the star online.

btw, im stuck between line6 ux1 and m-audio fastrack usb. which 1 is better? salesguy in a shop told me that ux1 have problems and many people are trying to sell it or is it just because he wanted me to buy the m-audio? and jaya from ck told me that ux1 is amazing. now i really am stuck~ any help?
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Yeah I'll definitely be checking out the Taming Sari mic when I get back to msia....in sgpore now so can't check it out...but I have buttloads of other stuff to check out which aren't available in msia tongue.gif

Sorry can't help you namqul as I don't have any experience with either audio interfaces.

edit: Thanks for the invite denhock

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post Mar 2 2008, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(headhunter7 @ Mar 2 2008, 06:42 PM)
Hey guys, Im using Audacity to record. Haha my recording set up is very bare, so please hold your laughs XD.

I just wanna know, how do I make my recording sound "fuller", cuz right now its kinda..hollow. @_@!
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It'd be easier to give feedback if you post your track up...
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post Mar 3 2008, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(headhunter7 @ Mar 2 2008, 08:27 PM)
There you go XD.

A part of my band's song.
Is it because of the mic?

Or the absence of a bass guitar? (Its recorded without one.)
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Wow that really helped a lot......
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post Mar 3 2008, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(headhunter7 @ Mar 3 2008, 01:32 AM)
sad.gif sorry bout that then. Here's a longer clip.

edit: wait!..no wonder you said it was too short..somehow the uploading got stucked or something. I did uploaded a longer clip. gimme a minute.

2nd edit : http://download.yousendit.com/35A43DCC087BFFF3 here you go..

Im recording using a mic, for the drums i put it infront of the drums.
Will get another one, or 2.

mic > converter > soundcard.
using audacity.
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Sorry for being nasty previously.

The gain on the drum mics is too high, the kick drum is way distorted.

As for the guitar, try repositioning the mic until you get a fuller sound. It's perfectly possible to get a fat guitar sound with proper placement.
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post Mar 5 2008, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(Namqul @ Mar 5 2008, 08:44 PM)
no2. i think u got me wrong. its like this, there are two tracks in my recording. 1 is using an acoustic guitar, and another is vocal. i did pick wav format with the highest quality. lol. but the end result, both recording came in separate file. it does not merge as 1 track. any solution for that?
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I guess you selected seperate mono instead of stereo interleaved.
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post Mar 7 2008, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(Namqul @ Mar 6 2008, 08:54 AM)
hmmm i dont remember selecting any mono for mixdown. and, it came out in separate tracks in stereo.

anyway, how do i select separate mono?
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To rephrase my earlier reply, I guess you selected split stereo instead of stereo interleaved.


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post Mar 9 2008, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(blacktrix @ Mar 9 2008, 12:16 AM)
Well, Shure isn't exactly cheap....... But agree that the SM57 are the industry standard.
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Beg to differ...the Shure SM57 is one of the cheapest mics you can buy...and use tongue.gif

I'd get the SM57....more flexible than the SM58.
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post Mar 13 2008, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(pigcat @ Mar 11 2008, 11:11 PM)
Dynamic need "Mic input" power to power up the mic or else no sound. Typically found on many soundcards.


You left out condenser mics. Dynamic AND condenser mics need a microphone preamp to convert it into a useable line-level signal.

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Condenser need even more power to get it work, it's called the "phantom power" or so-called 48v power. And it need the XLR pin to provide the power (the 3 pin mic connector).


ROFL, XLR pins don't provide phantom power. It's the phantom power supply in your mic preamp/external phantom power unit that provides the 48v. Connecting your condenser microphone to a XLR cable doesn't mean the 48v will be provided magically.

And, TRS connectors can also carry phantom power, not just XLR connectors.

QUOTE(pigcat @ Mar 13 2008, 12:33 PM)
Yes technically it doesn't need any power, but indirectly, still need power to amplify it right? whistling.gif

And I did mentioned the "mic input", you're not gonna get any usable signal thru line input right? sweat.gif Reading your statements in the previous post is like "ok dynamic mic don't need any power so you can plug it in anywhere". Anyway thanks bassix for clearing that up.
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The correct term for "power to amplify it" is GAIN. You're just creating confusion by interchanging GAIN and POWER.


Reading your statements is like...you judge for yourself.

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post Mar 13 2008, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(Bassix @ Mar 13 2008, 08:44 PM)
what's a TRS connector?
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Tip-Ring-Sleeve aka the 1/4" stereo plug.
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post Mar 31 2008, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(bman @ Mar 30 2008, 02:45 PM)
I just bought a Zoom G1 pedal for rm 220. Was gonna choose a behringer GDI21 which has a DI built-in at rm 156-180 but decided against it since zoom g1 has more features including a tuner and effects editing unit.

I was quite floored by this unit. Very impressed for that little rm 220 I paid for. I notice it could function as a preamp and DI unit for recording as well. Will it perform well as a DI box ? It wasn't advertised as such but I suppose all battery operated devices like this that connects to the electric with headphones/line out should have DI built-in.

This unit sounds better than a microcube (through headphones) and it's cheaper too. If I had to turn back time I would not have bought the microcube at all, just this unit and a cheap huge set of speakers with good wattage.
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Technically speaking, your G1 is only considered as a preamp, not a DI.

Basically, this is because a DI converts an instrument-level signal (in this case the signal from your guitar's pickup) into a mic level signal. I checked the specs of your G1 and it has a line-level output, therefore it's a preamp, not a DI unit.

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Will it perform well as a DI box ?

If you're comparing how clean your G1 is compared to a standalone DI box, I'm not exactly sure, but I'm willing to believe that are DI units which are cleaner than your G1.

In which aspects does your G1 sound better than the microcube? I'm intruiged.
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post Mar 31 2008, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(bman @ Mar 31 2008, 04:34 PM)
Well first off, the distortion models sounds great especially ED model, better than what the microcube offers,  and don't forget that the high sampling rate of the zoom g1 too.

Effects, unmatched. Microcube only has a fixed few sets of effects compared to the zoom g1.

Price wise, zoom g1 is way cheaper. rm 220 after discount for me, and my microcube costs me rm 430.

I paid rm 210 for the marshall MS-4 micro amp stack, that's a piece of junk compared to what zoom G1 offers me.

Zoom G1 has a noise gate built in as well, and also a compressor. It also has a harmonizer, which the microcube doesn't have. If you play around with the settings enough you can easily make it sound better than the microcube which is too plain and not much settings to play with.

If one wants to be a beginning electric guitarist without spending so much money on amp, effects, and the likes, all you need is the Zoom G1 and an electric guitar.

No need tuners even, zoom g1 has it all.

If you don't want to listen through headphones/earphones (it's quite good, better than what microcube's headphones out offers) you can always connect it to a pair of cheap high wattage speakers, and if you're a computer owner you should already have one, or you could get some cheap cables and plug it into your TV/stereo system.

I plugged my rgr321ex through the zoom g1 and I love the humbucker's output, very nice distortion and sustain.

Zoom G1's output is in STEREO.  It's much better than the microcube's fully mono output.

Zoom also lets you modify the EQ, got low/mid/high settings.

24 bit 96khz sampling, beat that Microcube.
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Ah I see...well actually I would like to know more on the amp modelling instead of the other effects as I also have a microcube myself, but thanks anyway. Just curious about how the COSM amp modelling stacks up against zoom's offering.

Honestly, the stereo output isn't much of a big deal (to me at least)...its just for the ping-pong delay and reverbs...and according to Roland's site, the microcube has a stereo line/headphone out.



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post Jun 13 2008, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(Namqul @ Jun 12 2008, 12:09 PM)
echobrainproject: im quite sure its in mono, tried some setting in vst input or something. failed. whats the reason of this? if i know, might find some way to figure out how to fix it. thanx
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Check your pan settings and monitor routing.

If all fails, open a blank session and try recording again.

 

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