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post Oct 27 2010, 04:17 PM, updated 15y ago

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November DotA tournament 2010

Registration Fees : RM 100 per Team
Registration Process :
Participants are required to email or sms(0166327116) below Details to reserved your slot:
1) Team name
2) Team leader name, I.C number,contact number
3) Another two member name and contact number
Time : 9.00am

Game format , Game Play , Rules
Game Version : DotA 6.68c
Game Mode : -CM Mode
Teams will decide which claims first pick or sides pick after the coin toss.
Tournament Structure : Single Elimination

Prize
Champion - RM1000 + (Qualified to National Grand Final with seeded place)
1st runner-up - RM500 + (Qualified to National Grand Final)
2nd runner-up - RM200 + (Qualified to National Grand Final)

Grand Final Prizes
Champion: RM 50,000 Cash + Trophy + sponsors product
1st Runner Up: RM 21,000 Cash + Trophy + sponsors product
2nd Runner Up: RM 14,000 Cash + Trophy + sponsors product
4th Place: RM 9,000 Cash + sponsors product
5th Place: RM 3,000 Cash + sponsors product
6th Place: RM 2,000 Cash + sponsors product
7th Place: RM 1,500 Cash + sponsors product
8th Place: RM 1,000 Cash + sponsors product



Date and Venue

Date : 7 November 2010
Survivor Net
No92A amber business plaza 2, jalan jelawat 1
56000 Cheras,KL

Date : 14 November 2010
Applez Dream Net
49,Jalan Manis 3,Taman Segar,56100 Kuala Lumpur

Date : 21 November 2010
Venue : Sino Net
17, Lorong Batu Nilam 3F,Bandar Bukit Tinggi,41200 Klang,Selangor

Date : 28 November 2010
Venue : SIMs cyber cafe
15g,jalan prima 7 metro prima 52100 kuala lumpur
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This post has been edited by MyGaming-Lim: Nov 15 2010, 10:07 PM
SUSLiLFreaK
post Oct 27 2010, 05:58 PM

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wow so many revenge revival?? grand final?
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post Oct 27 2010, 08:10 PM

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Can Ex - winner Smm state join?
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post Oct 27 2010, 09:35 PM

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sure kenot join la nic u stupid or wat
its to let those ppl who havent get slot to qualify la. .if winner join then how u retarded or wat
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post Oct 27 2010, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(NicBB` @ Oct 27 2010, 08:10 PM)
Can Ex - winner Smm state join?
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Can't you guys for once give players who haven't qualify yet a chance to qualify? If those who qualify already is allowed to participate again then what is the point of having this tourney? So everyone can make more money and can buy more presents on Christmas Day?

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post Oct 28 2010, 12:26 AM

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when will announce grand final date and location? if possible make it at genting coz genting many entertainment and alot china chicks
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post Oct 28 2010, 09:19 AM

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Revenge!!!
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post Oct 28 2010, 11:46 AM

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alone alone biggrin.gif
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post Oct 28 2010, 03:24 PM

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U wan join yegui
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post Oct 28 2010, 04:15 PM

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i want join! uncle lim. erm.. reserve slot for team D2B. 7 Nov 2010 - survivor net
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post Oct 28 2010, 04:31 PM

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okok your team name and 2 contact number to my phone 0166327116
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post Oct 28 2010, 06:35 PM

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erm... can i ask jb have ? =]
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post Oct 28 2010, 06:35 PM

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so means grand final at december ?
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post Oct 28 2010, 06:37 PM

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lim lim me can paly bo !?
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post Oct 28 2010, 08:22 PM

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post Oct 28 2010, 10:19 PM

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need what placing to qualify ?

1st only?

or 1st to 3rd?

or 1st to 4th will qualify to grand final
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post Oct 28 2010, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(w1nds. @ Oct 28 2010, 06:37 PM)
lim lim me can paly bo !?
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yor ! idol sure cannot play lah noob only can play XD
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post Oct 28 2010, 10:33 PM

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more information will announce on tomorrow...thank for support
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post Oct 28 2010, 11:19 PM

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My-Gaming Lim ... i hope that jb also have ... last time no hv time take part hope now can =)
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post Oct 28 2010, 11:20 PM

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nid to pay for this tourney?
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post Oct 29 2010, 04:25 AM

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YES LA ! SMM REvENGE
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post Oct 29 2010, 11:35 AM

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alone alone like u yegui. lol.
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post Oct 29 2010, 11:58 AM

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ALONE also..
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post Oct 29 2010, 12:30 PM

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diam la sei magic. noisy.
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post Oct 29 2010, 12:39 PM

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U Diam la... non ur business... TECH Shi Ma
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post Oct 29 2010, 03:12 PM

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1 slot for sino-net. team sino.regal
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post Oct 29 2010, 04:36 PM

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lol magic i am solo man.
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post Oct 29 2010, 10:56 PM

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Reserve 1 slot for Invasion , 28 November , Sim cc.
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post Oct 30 2010, 12:35 AM

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Reserve 1 slot for No Way In .. Thx ! -0176595481

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post Oct 30 2010, 02:30 PM

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MrLim can tell me the prize and all information ~ after ur information i will post more information of us

pls gimme ur hp num i gonna call u thx ! ^^ biggrin.gif
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post Nov 1 2010, 10:56 AM

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ALONE WUI... FIND ME WUI happy.gif
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post Nov 1 2010, 05:21 PM

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hi Lim, can i have more info abt tournament on :

Date : 14 November 2010
Applez Dream Net
49,Jalan Manis 3,Taman Segar,56100 Kuala Lumpur

Date : 28 November 2010
Venue : SIMs cyber cafe
15g,jalan prima 7 metro prima 52100 kuala lumpur

infos i needed :
1. registration fees?
2. person to contact?
3. rules?
4. prizes?
5. anything else to know?
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post Nov 1 2010, 06:03 PM

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SMM gradfinals will end By December this year right?
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post Nov 1 2010, 07:11 PM

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coming soon then provide details lo halooooooo
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post Nov 2 2010, 09:02 AM

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Uncle Lim ah uncle lim...
fast fast provide the details.
7 November is coming. This sunday nia.
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post Nov 2 2010, 02:11 PM

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November DotA tournament 2010

Registration Fees : RM 100 per Team
Registration Process :
Participants are required to email or sms(0166327116) below Details to reserved your slot:
1) Team name
2) Team leader name, I.C number,contact number
3) Another two member name and contact number
Time : 9.00am

Game format , Game Play , Rules
Game Version : DotA 6.68c
Game Mode : -CM Mode
Teams will decide which claims first pick or sides pick after the coin toss.
Tournament Structure : Single Elimination

Prize
Champion - RM1000 + (Qualified to National Grand Final with seeded place)
1st runner-up - RM500 + (Qualified to National Grand Final)
2nd runner-up - RM200 + (Qualified to National Grand Final)


Date and Venue

Date : 7 November 2010
Survivor Net
No92A amber business plaza 2, jalan jelawat 1
56000 Cheras,KL

Date : 14 November 2010
Applez Dream Net
49,Jalan Manis 3,Taman Segar,56100 Kuala Lumpur

Date : 21 November 2010
Venue : Sino Net
17, Lorong Batu Nilam 3F,Bandar Bukit Tinggi,41200 Klang,Selangor

Date : 28 November 2010
Venue : SIMs cyber cafe
15g,jalan prima 7 metro prima 52100 kuala lumpur
[SIZE=7]

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post Nov 2 2010, 06:44 PM

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Reserve EsF~ cheras november 7 thanks


Added on November 2, 2010, 6:44 pm0166819465

This post has been edited by richie1995: Nov 2 2010, 06:44 PM
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post Nov 2 2010, 08:52 PM

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lim ah... y johor no hv de?= =
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post Nov 2 2010, 09:49 PM

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Hi Lim, thanks for the info,
So far how many team registered?
and when is the grand final ?
prize for grand Final ?

^^ my fren will call you to register.


Added on November 2, 2010, 9:52 pm1 more question.
each station will have 3 qualifiers, that means there will be 12 team in grand finals? or any other team will be there with special privileges?

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post Nov 3 2010, 10:01 AM

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Lim. I had sent the details to ur hotmail. Pls check n update. thx
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post Nov 3 2010, 11:00 AM

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prize for grand final is rm50k la bro
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post Nov 3 2010, 12:49 PM

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no medal ? no mcd?
wadafak la
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QUOTE(YeGui @ Nov 3 2010, 11:00 AM)
prize for grand final is rm50k la bro
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Oh, so this is extended SMM qualifying round? so the winner gets to join the SMM grand final la? icic, i tot this is another dota tournament.
thanks for the infos
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post Nov 3 2010, 04:47 PM

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3rd/4th place of previous state qualifier still can join ? not entire team but just 1 or 2 players
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QUOTE(chewinggum @ Nov 3 2010, 04:47 PM)
3rd/4th place of previous state qualifier still can join ? not entire team but just 1 or 2 players
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i think same rules like state qualifirer ,if same ppl will DQ .
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QUOTE(bAd.jojo^.| @ Nov 3 2010, 12:50 PM)
Reserve Zero.Hour ~ cheras november 7 thanks!
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so, see your team on 9.30am this sunday..
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post Nov 3 2010, 06:22 PM

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Mr. Lim reserve for Rage.nT - Sim Cyber Cafe,MetroPrima - 28 november - thanks!
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QUOTE(NedRapterz @ Nov 3 2010, 06:22 PM)
Mr. Lim reserve for Rage.nT - Sim Cyber Cafe,MetroPrima - 28 november - thanks!
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ok,plz send your contact number to 0166327116
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post Nov 6 2010, 06:32 PM

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wa ehome coming
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pro, got ehome biggrin.gif
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post Nov 7 2010, 08:03 PM

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update pls
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post Nov 7 2010, 08:35 PM

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Survivor Result

Champion - Av-idol
1st runner-up - Survivor
2nd runner-up - dw
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post Nov 7 2010, 09:23 PM

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how many team participate in this tournament?
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post Nov 7 2010, 10:21 PM

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more details ? player lineup for jav idol and dw .

Kechik team Lost to who
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QUOTE(LiLFreaK @ Nov 7 2010, 10:21 PM)
more details ? player lineup for jav idol and dw .

Kechik team Lost to who
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kecik team lost to survivor @ semi
if im not mistaken
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QUOTE(trainer @ Nov 7 2010, 10:36 PM)
kecik team lost to survivor @ semi
if im not mistaken
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Haha kechik lost to oldman team huhu.
Nvmla at least qualify d

av idol players who? @@
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post Nov 7 2010, 11:27 PM

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av idol = zep lemon mofo lucky xiaoyu
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post Nov 8 2010, 12:04 AM

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Yayaya... at leasy qualify ... hehehe !!!no luck to win survivor biggrin.gif
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good job kecik,tak dpt jumpa korang kat finals . hahah
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post Nov 8 2010, 10:55 AM

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mofo so imba . Bone asal tk le jumpa kechik kt final? Kau tk masuk ke qualifier lain ?
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post Nov 8 2010, 01:37 PM

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yegui ..wait smlj ??go la...28nov
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maksud aku final kat surv lol
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gratz to xiaoyu team take champion~ i last round go watch no weste my time , " the top 4 match so gan jiong, see ppl use invoker again , the hand fast dao~~ ,and he teammate lion and vs the hand slow dao~~
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QUOTE(lavenQ @ Nov 8 2010, 01:37 PM)
yegui  ..wait smlj ??go la...28nov
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still no replay ma? T-T , i wan see my idol xiaoyu ,lemon ,handelababy and darkculator play. can upload it?
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post Nov 10 2010, 03:37 AM

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Reserve 1 team for Terrorz .. coming for sure and paying on sunday .. thx!
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post Nov 10 2010, 10:37 PM

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no replay ma?
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post Nov 12 2010, 12:28 PM

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i heard xxf n silvercross joining the comming revenge...is this true?


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post Nov 12 2010, 11:56 PM

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ya can have 2 qualified player in a team to help win slot for those unfortunate 1
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QUOTE(GoDzShadow @ Nov 10 2010, 03:37 AM)
Reserve 1 team for Terrorz .. coming for sure and paying on sunday .. thx!
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Ok see you on Sunday. To all participate team we are allow walk in register,kindly register on 9.30am.more information kindly contact to 0166327116


Added on November 13, 2010, 4:52 pm
QUOTE(Optimist @ Nov 12 2010, 12:28 PM)
i heard xxf n silvercross joining the comming revenge...is this true?
then can i ask other qualified player to join me also?
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Silver is on china now

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post Nov 13 2010, 05:50 PM

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reserved for team FeeD for tomolo Applez =D
thanks~~
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post Nov 13 2010, 10:03 PM

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wa team FeeD wor...good luck biggrin.gif
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FeeD-DotaD!d! wa =D
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Applez dream net result:

Round one
Adn.AV win stdn.eog
Akicom win o_o
apple win Dev
Red win sws.my
bone power win xgo
Adn win terrar

top 8
Adn.Av win Akicom
Red win apple
bone power win viv
adn win giga.webbar

semi
Adn.av win red
adn vs bone power

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post Nov 14 2010, 10:05 PM

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Semi:
Adn.av win red
bone power win adn

Final:
bone power > adn

good to see team wf chinese n malay won!
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post Nov 14 2010, 11:29 PM

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wah,this bonepower team is bonebonepow the malay noob guy?wtf this year he so many champion one?damn imba this malay,why pro chinese ppl like mufc,nirvana dun wan take him?racist meh?
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bone power got 2 malay leh

btw hope to see replay soon
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replay plsssssss
photo also i wan see the lineup

bonepower : flizzardo bone daidai n who?
adn.av : ? ? ? ? ?
adn : xxf and ? ? ? ? ?
red : ? ? ? ? ?

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QUOTE(Optimist @ Nov 15 2010, 12:49 PM)
replay plsssssss
photo also i wan see the lineup

bonepower : flizzardo bone daidai n who?
adn.av : ? ? ? ? ?
adn : xxf and ? ? ? ? ?
red : ? ? ? ? ?
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bonepower nopro, bone,daidai, rjc,koala

adn.av kyxiaoyu,mofo,lemon,w4si-lucky,zephylicious
adn xiaoxiaofong,KSJJ-fate,Czack,prokser,handelababy
red HanasH , GoGkelvintan , Pyro.Technician

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Why bonepower got 3 qualified players still can play? (Rjc, Koala-bear[Perak SMM Qualifier Champ], Flizzardo [SMM KL 2nd runner up])
Isn't that against the rules? Shouldn't that be auto-disqualifed?

Then Kyxiaoyu, Zephylicious won the first revenge revival right? Now they can play again? Wtf?
So those champions can keep coming back to play? Then next revenge revival at 21 we can see Koala-bear, Rjc, Flizzardo, Xiaoyu, Zephy they all play again? nice. Those unfortunate ones will never have a chance to qualify, which the point of this revenge revival thing is to help those unfortunate people, not to make those qualifed players win more money.


Lim, can you explain this?
I sense huge unfairness held in this tourney.
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Apple Dreamz Net is such a DOGGY CC.The owner is a real dog.How can he simply let people join the tournament when the team reached at 1 pm on Sunday and simply change the bracket.Its totally unfair.They got few strong teams represented their CC but still cant win.Good Job Bonepower.


Added on November 16, 2010, 7:21 pmreply pls! suck ?Apple Dreamz Net is suck ?just shup up inside ???this tournament how can simply let ppl join ? pig sucker ?find other qualify player come???then ???=== lose pls ....!loser !noob !only suck CC!pls dont organize this tournament in the future anymore pls !go eat Shit

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smm revenge lim got say,its up to the cc wan let those qualified ppl can play or not. like sino boss ban those pro pro ppl,so who didnt qualify think can win easy,go sino take ur qualify.bcs for 28th dont dream about it, 28th qualify its like open tournament no bans biggrin.gif
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The organizer din state the rules clearly. So they still can let qualified players/teams join in order to make more money. Wake up dude, the purpose of revenge revival is to make more money only. They does not care about the issue of fairness.
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lol, this is fun!

replay replay plz!

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so mr lim
sinonet = sinonet both team can join la?
so kyxiaoyu can join 3 times? wow super imba..means like this u make revenge also no use? cause the same ppl keep qualifY? lol
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QUOTE(thenoobone @ Nov 18 2010, 09:25 AM)
so mr lim
sinonet = sinonet both team  can join la?
so kyxiaoyu can join 3 times? wow super imba..means like this u make revenge also no use? cause the same ppl keep qualifY? lol
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so mr lim
sinonet = sinonet both team  can join la?
so kyxiaoyu can join 3 times? wow super imba..means like this u make revenge also no use? cause the same ppl keep qualifY? lol
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Haha... Maybe u are wrong...

Kyxiaoyu might join 4 times straight... i think u will saw him at SIM SMM revenge also.. haha
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ya i think he no brain...
born retard i guess? instead of letting those unfortunate one to qualify..this kinda fcukup ppl keep join n join at the grand final less team join cause all got their own team..no brainers
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hmm i think at final they gonna lose and play for other team then lose again thn play for other team again then lose again~~~~~
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i think there is nothing much Lim can do if the organizer wishes that their team to play with qualified players since they are sponsoring the venue and price

imo i think to be fair to those teams that havent qualified should be separated to different brackets , and team that exceeds 2 qualified players should be put on the same brackets

that way at least 2 teams that have not qualified would be able to qualify for grand final (2nd,3rd)

bracket separated by 4 semi finals

[teams with qualified players]-- --[teams thats have not qualified]
LOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLLOLLOLL[final]
[teams that have not qualified]-- -- [teams that have not qualified]

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i think there is nothing much Lim can do if the organizer wishes that their team to play with qualified players since they are sponsoring the venue and price

imo i think to be fair to those teams that havent qualified should be separated to different brackets , and team that exceeds 2 qualified players should be put on the same brackets

that way at least 2 teams that have not qualified would be able to qualify for grand final (2nd,3rd)

bracket separated by 4 semi finals

[teams with qualified players]--          --[teams thats have not qualified]
LOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLLOLLOLL[final]
[teams that have not qualified]--        -- [teams that have not qualified]
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Your idea is not feasible la friend. What if theres some serious shit imbalance between the numbers? What if only 3 'teams with qualified players' and 16 'teams with non qualified players' joined? Then on one side of the bracket, whichever team who wins once is already in the semis la - then free money again la, can go get married/buy LV/have family planning.

Thats why the best thing is in the first place, you guys should abstain yourself from even joining the tourney. But it seems that people like you can't control yourself because your tangan is too gatal - I suggest TFKing next time everytime you have the urge to join a dota tourney maybe?

And of course I am sure Lim can always discuss with the venue organizers and come out with an alternative plan i.e. lower the overall prize money if only a very minimal number of teams join - so stop finding excuses to make yourself feel better and redeem yourself la. doh.gif doh.gif

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i think there is nothing much Lim can do if the organizer wishes that their team to play with qualified players since they are sponsoring the venue and price

imo i think to be fair to those teams that havent qualified should be separated to different brackets , and team that exceeds 2 qualified players should be put on the same brackets

that way at least 2 teams that have not qualified would be able to qualify for grand final (2nd,3rd)

bracket separated by 4 semi finals

[teams with qualified players]--          --[teams thats have not qualified]
LOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLLOLLOLL[final]
[teams that have not qualified]--        -- [teams that have not qualified]
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good idea PMKDUNIA

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i join just for the sake of playing some fun dota only with my friends, and to see where i stand compare to others @@ u wan qualify isit ? than jz ask for da slot lor since dey have so many ..haha pls dont flame me bak
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i join just for the sake of playing some fun dota only with my friends, and to see where i stand compare to others @@ u wan qualify isit ? than jz ask for da slot lor since dey have so many ..haha pls dont flame me bak
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Your idea is not feasible la friend. What if theres some serious shit imbalance between the numbers? What if only 3 'teams with qualified players' and 16 'teams with non qualified players' joined? Then on one side of the bracket, whichever team who wins once is already in the semis la - then free money again la, can go get married/buy LV/have family planning.

Thats why the best thing is in the first place, you guys should abstain yourself from even joining the tourney. But it seems that people like you can't control yourself because your tangan is too gatal - I suggest TFKing next time everytime you have the urge to join a dota tourney maybe?

And of course I am sure Lim can always discuss with the venue organizers and come out with an alternative plan i.e. lower the overall prize money if only a very minimal number of teams join - so stop finding excuses to make yourself feel better and redeem yourself la.  doh.gif  doh.gif
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winning once against qualified player is better ?

or letting team who has not qualified and attempted to join qualifier multiple times and failing get beat up by them again in first round or 2nd round?

either way these teams that has not qualified has low chance of winning them already, letting these teams having to go against them is like throwing their registeration money,efforts to join the tournament, efforts put in training altogether

this will just discourage and demoralize aspiring teams and players if this goes on and dota will be an "elitist community" and this will kill the dota community we know today and in the end the game will die ..

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Honestly, revenge is for those who cannot make it on previous qualifiers. Being unfair will just create a bad image of the organization to public. Hope organizers should reconsider the rule and regulation...Wish to see new face teams to qualify lo, otherwise repeatedly seeing same players qualify in different qualifying places of tourney. Ended up there will be less teams to show up in Grand Final...
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QUOTE(LiLFreaK @ Nov 19 2010, 10:40 AM)
winning once against qualified player is better ?

or letting team who has not qualified and attempted to join qualifier multiple times and failing get beat up by them again in first round or 2nd round?

either way these teams that has not qualified has low chance of winning them already, letting these teams having to go against them is like throwing their registeration money,efforts to join the tournament, efforts put in training altogether

this will just discourage and demoralize aspiring teams and players if this goes on and dota will be an "elitist community" and this will kill the dota community we know today and in the end the game will die ..
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Don't get your points at all. It doesn't matter if these not yet qualified teams were to get smashed into a bloody pulp in the finals, you shouldn't waste their time and money and deny them a fair chance of qualifying for it by participating in the revenge qualifiers when you have already qualified. Wasting their registration money - what? I don't see how this should bother you at all. Its up to their discretion to join tourneys or not, after taking into account the probability of winning and such. But by right, it shouldn't be up to your discretion to join revenge qualifiers if you have already qualified.

So if all the 30 or what teams that are already qualified were to join the revenge qualifier and this team X who have not yet qualified also were to do the same, wouldn't this might seriously reduce their chances of qualifying for the grand finals and thus wasting their time/money/training effort etc? Logic please.

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Don't get your points at all. It doesn't matter if these not yet qualified teams were to get smashed into a bloody pulp in the finals, you shouldn't waste their time and money and deny them a fair chance of qualifying for it by participating in the revenge qualifiers when you have already qualified. Wasting their registration money - what? I don't see how this should bother you at all. Its up to their discretion to join tourneys or not, after taking into account the probability of winning and such. But by right, it shouldn't be up to your discretion to join revenge qualifiers if you have already qualified.

So if all the 30 or what teams that are already qualified were to join the revenge qualifier and this team X who have not yet qualified also were to do the same, wouldn't this might seriously reduce their chances of qualifying for the grand finals and thus wasting their time/money/training effort etc? Logic please.
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please read what i said and understand them before replying

the part that i said the unqualified team will just get owned by the qualified team is because u said that if put all qualified players in same bracket would make the bracket too less team and by playing 2 games its already semi , which is why i said it doesnt matter the numbers teams in the qualified bracket team as i suggested since if u put any normal teams there without qualified players they would easily get beaten by the "what if only 3 qualified teams join that u mentioned earlier)


you are just replying out of context u dont get what i am trying to say here at all doh.gif

for every points that i am saying is related to the previous one or as respond to what u said

but u are just taking them out of context like a stand alone statement doh.gif

my idea here is to help the teams that have not qualified to qualify. but at the same time can compromise and respect with venue organizer's wishes. unqualified teams happy, organizer happy .. hopefully everyone goes back home happy..

before talking about logic , please have common sense and comprehension first

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please read what i said and understand them before replying

the part that i said the unqualified team will just get owned by the qualified team is because u said that if put all qualified players in same bracket would make the bracket too less team and by playing 2 games its already semi , which is why i said it doesnt matter the numbers teams in the qualified bracket team as i suggested since if u put any normal teams there without qualified players they would easily get beaten by the "what if only 3 qualified teams join that u mentioned earlier)
you are just replying out of context u dont get what i am trying to say here at all  doh.gif

for every points that i am saying is related to the previous one or as respond to what u said

but u are just taking them out of context like a stand alone statement  doh.gif

my idea here is to help the teams that have not qualified to qualify. but at the same time can compromise and respect with venue organizer's wishes. unqualified teams happy, organizer happy .. hopefully everyone goes back home happy..

before talking about logic , please have common sense and comprehension first
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Ok first of all, my bad for misinterpreting.

With that said, what silly idea are you trying to put forth here? First of all, why should you separate the teams like this? There's bound to be and I can definitely guarantee that there will be an imbalance of ratio in either of the brackets and no teams deserve such a big advantage over another team i.e. win one time and you're in the semis. You may argue say something like but well those unqualified teams will probably lose most of the time to those teams with qualified player which is probably true but so what? With your logic, you are implying that in tourneys that Nirvana.My joins with very few other big names, they should automatically be placed in the finals or maybe even better just automatically crown them as the champion of the tourneys la. All of these nonsense and so called formatting should not even arise in the first place if qualified players in the first place do not participate in these revenge tourneys. So you think just because you wanna participate and maybe feel less guilty etc, you think the best way of making this tourney as fair as possible is by having the brackets arranged in such a manner ah? You think you are doing everyone including the organisers a favour by proposing to them an idea to have these tourneys in such a way? What for? What is there to compromise?

Don't even bother suggesting something like this just to make it more 'fair' for others etc etc when in the first place the best thing you can do to make this tourney to be as fair as possibly can is by not even joining it in the first place.

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whats fair when qualified players keep joining...

nothing fair..just because u qualified player wanna join + win money or watever , keep making new story to cover up..to make ur self in nice position..
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It's actually kinda the organizer's fault for not enforcing the rule in the first place. We already know that SMM Revenge Revival is to cater teams that haven't qualify, giving them a "second" chance to qualify. But somehow this year, they are not enforcing the rules and gave qualified players chance to play again, which is totally weird and nonsensical. Seems like the professionalism of some organizers is going down the drain, abusing loopholes in their own rules such as that a lesser individual/team would not have a favourable position to come out on top of a concrete argument, while making more money at the same time.

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On a general note, I actually have no idea why when it comes to DotA, when some tournaments are supposed to "ban" teams/players, they don't enforce the rule(s) professionally and abuse the loopholes of it to give their friends or the more "known" players a chance to play in it even though they aren't suppose to be able to do so. Organizers should be more aware about the importance of their rules and not to bend it every time just because of their "friends", because that totally takes the professionalism out of our e-sports scene. What I meant to say is that, if you want to ban teams/players then stick to it, if you can't stick to it then don't ban anyone in the first place.


What done is done, I guess. I just do hope that organizers and players alike will be much more professional next year - with organizers clearly stating and enforcing their rules, and with players honestly and obediently obeying the rules. There's enough corruption in our country, don't let our e-sports scene suffer from it too.

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Ok first of all, my bad for misinterpreting.

With that said, what silly idea are you trying to put forth here? First of all, why should you separate the teams like this? There's bound to be and I can definitely guarantee that there will be an imbalance of ratio in either of the brackets and no teams deserve such a big advantage over another team i.e. win one time and you're in the semis. You may argue say something like but well those unqualified teams will probably lose most of the time to those teams with qualified player which is probably true but so what? With your logic, you are implying that in tourneys that Nirvana.My joins with very few other big names, they should automatically be placed in the finals or maybe even better just automatically crown them as the champion of the tourneys la. All of these nonsense and so called formatting should not even arise in the first place if qualified players in the first place do not participate in these revenge tourneys. So you think just because you wanna participate and maybe feel less guilty etc, you think the best way of making this tourney as fair as possible is by having the brackets arranged in such a manner ah? You think you are doing everyone including the organisers a favour by proposing to them an idea to have these tourneys in such a way? What for? What is there to compromise?

Don't even bother suggesting something like this just to make it more 'fair' for others etc etc when in the first place the best thing you can do to make this tourney to be as fair as possibly can is by not even joining it in the first place.
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is that even an advantage for obvious superior team not having to play more games against some normal teams?

i guess these teams would prefer to have more games to play so they can bash some lesser teams

anyway in regard to your "dont bother suggesting something like this"

thing is we wont be here discussing about this if the organizer properly enforced the rule anyway , either way the decision has been made , the organizer will have their team to play on the revenge qualifier anyway , nothing can be done about that . but during the tournament day so whichever team that have to fight against them in first and 2nd round

what do u think these teams will felt? just like in previous revenge qualifier, alot of these teams already got demotivated and demoralized , imagine after failing in more 2 qualifiers previously (if not more) then just as they thought they have chance to qualify in revenge tournament . they have to face against 5 strong qualified player in the first round or second round ?

how would they feel? after hours and alot of effort put in training , and coming to the competition and and u get is first round/2nd round against 5 strong qualified player

since we already know the goal of organizer is team to win in their homegrown , but what about those aspiring teams ? they just want to try their best to qualify if not prove their worth among the dota community

because some people their thinking is if they lost to qualified team they would feel unhappy and unfair , rather than losing in first or 2nd round against other normal teams . which would give them more motivation to train and strive harder to win in next tournaments

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First of all, we need to distinguish between the "sponsors" and the "organisers"

Sponsors are the ones forking out the cash who made all this possible. Without them, this whole "E-sports" and "Dota tournament" stuffs that we come to love will not be possible.

Organisers are the ones who try as hard as they can in limited circumstances to make a sponsored event a success. And yea, organisers are bound to the wishes of the Sponsors. Normally, these are the guys who do the most work and bears the most brunt from the ever passionate "public".

As an ever-passionate organiser, cries of fairness within the scene are always heard and fought for within our circles. We do all we can to make those "fairness" things happen, but given a choice of shutting down a whole tournament and the alternative, the obvious choice will be picked. And even if the not-so-beautiful choice is picked, we still do all we can to make it a level playing field for everyone involved.

As someone who does not get a dime from all this, I can safely say that everyone involved in organising these events can sleep soundly at night knowing that we did our very best to ensure our so-called "Esport Dream" is still kicking in certain parts of the country. For those who encourage the public to boycott our tournaments, we can tell them that "we rather run a "not-so-perfect" event than running a "picture perfect" one with 0 sponsors and almost 0 support from the community." If you can run a better one (which I doubt you would or even could) you are free to do so and I will personally send my thanks to you.

The whole point of joining a tournament is to win no matter the participating opposition. I voiced my concern of the community's collective decision to start banning teams 1 year earlier and these concerns has really come to bite us in the back now. Community participation has gone down drastically with basically a much lesser pool of players wanting to be the best, preferring instead to remain amateurs to win in an ever-shrinking pro-scene. Even the "amateur" scene is currently dominated by the same pool of players nowadays. The "Win" most amateur players trying to achieve turns out to be a big "Loss" for the large part of the community.

With the current sick climate we are having, the organisers are doing all they can to keep our collective "E-sport" dream alive. you can criticise us and your thoughts are noted, but to the haters out there, at least credit the organisers for all the shit they have gone through just to present an opportunity for the community to play in a tournament. I am sure they are working on something to make the last 2 tournaments a greater success than the ones before in all aspects, for the sponsors, for the players and the community as a whole.

Coming from someone who has some knowledge in these intricacies especially from the organisers point of view, I think they did a pretty good job in the last 2 tournaments. Sponsors are happy with the turnout, a promise that a tournament is there is kept, the community took the effort to form teams and joined with a fee of RM100 and most important of all : another weekend with LAN Dota tournament action somewhere in Malaysia (making the E-sports scene vibrant?).





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hmm if the same players qualify for more than 1 qualifier...then for the final both team will qualify? thn the player will play for who...

or if the same team qualify for all revenge revival...thrn at last only a few teams will qualify?

not to offend u...but i jz wanna ask
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Yeah, without sponsors there would be no tournaments. I know, but somehow there should be a way that sponsors shouldn't involve too much into the nitty gritty of a tournament especially in the rules part. The thing is, from what I've seen, Singapore have the same type of tournaments/sponsors(probably much more higher profile sponsors usually, but we still got much more tournaments than them), but the organizers still kept the integrity of their tournament with much more enforced rules so I don't understand why can't we do the same. Though, I'll probably guess that its partly because most of our tournaments are cc-sponsored based compared to them, so the cc boss would want their "own" team to play in it. But for an SMM related tourney to have much less rule enforcing is kinda seem a bit leery. Or probably again it might just be something that is "normal" within our culture to organize events in such ways.

Oh and another thing, SMM should have announced/stated that everyone that is qualified can play again - doesn't matter in this thread or call the teams individually - instead of letting the lesser teams finding it out the last minute possible. It would at least give all teams a fair ground to decide whether they should join it or not. But by not stating it in the first place, to me it seems unprofessional for an organizer as big as SMM.
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1. Named SMM Revenge Revival. But allowed qualified teams/players to join the tourney.
2. No updates from organizer. Photos/live update/ or even replays.
3. Din't state the rules for SMM Revenge Revival clearly.

E-sport dream? This is just a game.
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semi final left bracket

Hanash Team VS Sino Regal

semi final right bracket

Sino VS Sampah (MizuH,w4siMonkey,XiGZ,XiaoXiaoFonG,w4siLucky)
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aiyo ! so many talk c0ck meh?u dont like how they organise,u dont talk c0ck here! cb.
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congratz to hanash finally qualify after participating so many qualifier.
smm sud giv them seeded in grand final ^^
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congrats to hanash and hhlong ^^
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Swt... Thx Dai and Fiz.

Dai we same same la if they gimme seeded shud give u semi str8 le lolz smile.gif U got ur chance i had mine smile.gif thx for the congrats though.
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Because of the lack of response for the 3 previous stages for the SMM revenge revival, we had decided to cancel the event on the 28th November 2010 that would held in the SIMs this week and to replace it with another tournament in the same venue.

Sorry for any inconvenient caused. The updates for the new tournament would be release soon.


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QUOTE(LiLFreaK @ Nov 20 2010, 10:01 AM)
is that even an advantage for obvious superior team not having to play more games against some normal teams?

i guess these teams would prefer to have more games to play so they can bash some lesser teams

anyway in regard to your "dont bother suggesting something like this"

thing is we wont be here discussing about this if the organizer properly enforced the rule anyway , either way the decision has been made , the organizer will have their team to play on the revenge qualifier anyway , nothing can be done about that . but during the tournament day so whichever team that have to fight against them in first and 2nd round

what do u think these teams will felt? just like in previous revenge qualifier, alot of these teams already got demotivated and demoralized , imagine after failing in more 2 qualifiers previously (if not more) then just as they thought they have chance to qualify in revenge tournament . they have to face against 5 strong qualified player in the first round or second round ?

how would they feel? after hours and alot of effort put in training , and coming to the competition and and u get is first round/2nd round against 5 strong qualified player

since we already know the goal of organizer is team to win in their homegrown , but what about those aspiring teams ? they just want to try their best to qualify if not prove their worth among the dota community

because some people their thinking is if they lost to qualified team they would feel unhappy and unfair , rather than losing in first or 2nd round against other normal teams . which would give them more motivation to train and strive harder to win in next tournaments
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Yep, of course we won't be here discussing this if the organizer properly enforced the rule. Thats why, who is saying that the organizer isn't in the wrong? I feel the organizer should take 90% of the blame and the players should take 10% of it. What do you mean by "nothing can be done about that" - having 1 'strong' team (the organizer's home team) is definitely alot better for those teams trying to qualify than having 9420 teams with 'strong qualified' players.

In regards to the remainder of your post, all I can say is, you can do your part in helping them not be 'demoralized' and yadadada.
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QUOTE(k1LL/st3aL @ Nov 20 2010, 04:58 AM)
It's actually kinda the organizer's fault for not enforcing the rule in the first place. We already know that SMM Revenge Revival is to cater teams that haven't qualify, giving them a "second" chance to qualify. But somehow this year, they are not enforcing the rules and gave qualified players chance to play again, which is totally weird and nonsensical. Seems like the professionalism of some organizers is going down the drain, abusing loopholes in their own rules such as that a lesser individual/team would not have a favourable position to come out on top of a concrete argument, while making more money at the same time.

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On a general note, I actually have no idea why when it comes to DotA, when some tournaments are supposed to "ban" teams/players, they don't enforce the rule(s) professionally and abuse the loopholes of it to give their friends or the more "known" players a chance to play in it even though they aren't suppose to be able to do so. Organizers should be more aware about the importance of their rules and not to bend it every time just because of their "friends", because that totally takes the professionalism out of our e-sports scene. What I meant to say is that, if you want to ban teams/players then stick to it, if you can't stick to it then don't ban anyone in the first place.
What done is done, I guess. I just do hope that organizers and players alike will be much more professional next year - with organizers clearly stating and enforcing their rules, and with players honestly and obediently obeying the rules. There's enough corruption in our country, don't let our e-sports scene suffer from it too.
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Haha...It is true and happened in the SMM right now...no longer professionalism...even though SMM is a very large tournament as world class tournament, to those who never know what happened inside SMM tourney, they just enjoyed the result. But to us, we knew what happen and kinda disappointed.
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Yep, of course we won't be here discussing this if the organizer properly enforced the rule. Thats why, who is saying that the organizer isn't in the wrong? I feel the organizer should take 90% of the blame and the players should take 10% of it. What do you mean by "nothing can be done about that" - having 1 'strong' team (the organizer's home team) is definitely alot better for those teams trying to qualify than having 9420 teams with 'strong qualified' players.

In regards to the remainder of your post, all I can say is, you can do your part in helping them not be 'demoralized' and yadadada.
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which is why i said u have to read what i said earlier properly

the sponsor wishes that their home team to play with qualified player, there is nothing much the organizer can do but to agree with the sponsor wish, because the sponsor are the one who provide them the venue for the tournament and prize , the sponsor already made themselves clear that regardless of what their team with qualified player must play , so what can the organizer do? cancel the tournament and give 0 chance to other teams at all?

what i can tell u is , because posting understand the situation , before replying other post, read the the post properly and understand it
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QUOTE(LiLFreaK @ Nov 26 2010, 04:37 PM)
which is why i said u have to read what i said earlier properly

the sponsor wishes that their home team to play with qualified player, there is nothing much the organizer can do but to agree with the sponsor wish, because the sponsor are the one who provide them the venue for the tournament and prize , the sponsor already made themselves clear that regardless of what their team with qualified player must play , so what can the organizer do? cancel the tournament and give 0 chance to other teams at all?

what i can tell u is , because posting understand the situation , before replying other post, read the the post properly and understand it
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Who to hell told you that "there is nothing much the organizers can do but to agree with the sponsor wish"?

If SMM had integrity, they will just tell the sponsors to fuc[k] off and they will find some other sponsor. Even if it means having less sponsors and qualifiers overall, at least they can hold their head high up and say that they proud of themselves for keeping their words and also dignity intact. Where are the principles? In a worst case scenario, if theres really no sponsors at all, then they just have to cancel the whole SMM tourney. But obviously as shown by the SMM organizers, this is not on the top of their priority list and all they care about is to make money. And for you to make excuses for them is just pathetic, because shit like this happen when there are people like you who share the same ahbeng/greedy bastar[d]/must always bow to the master type of mindset/mentality/thinking as them. Then suddenly everything and anything seems acceptable and you find that rules are no longer needed to be followed properly and you can break them without any consequences/punishment.

Another thing is, if they know that most of the time they can't keep to what they say, why must they even say that team XXXX is banned? Just for show? Trying to to give players a false belief? Does not SMM know anything about marketing? Just omit it next time in the future, so players won't be conned anymore. Its called simple ethics. Don't you know and SMM know that?

I respect SMM's mission of wanting to keep the esport dream alive and whatnot in Malaysia, but they should never do it at the expense of people. A seller can never con or lie to a customer/consumer/buyer and this is a golden rule of consumerism. What is there to understand the situation? I am afraid you are the one who is not understanding it.

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QUOTE(RENEGADEZERG @ Nov 26 2010, 09:10 PM)
Who to hell told you that "there is nothing much the organizers can do but to agree with the sponsor wish"?

If SMM had integrity, they will just tell the sponsors to fuc[k] off and they will find some other sponsor. Even if it means having less sponsors and qualifiers overall, at least they can hold their head high up and say that they proud of themselves for keeping their words and also dignity intact. Where are the principles? In a worst case scenario, if theres really no sponsors at all, then they just have to cancel the whole SMM tourney. But obviously as shown by the SMM organizers, this is not on the top of their priority list and all they care about is to make money. And for you to make excuses for them is just pathetic, because shit like this happen when there are people like you who share the same ahbeng/greedy bastar[d]/must always bow to the master type of mindset/mentality/thinking as them. Then suddenly everything and anything seems acceptable and you find that rules are no longer needed to be followed properly and you can break them without any consequences/punishment.

Another thing is, if they know that most of the time they can't keep to what they say, why must they even say that team XXXX is banned? Just for show? Trying to to give players a false belief? Does not SMM know anything about marketing? Just omit it next time in the future, so players won't be conned anymore. Its called simple ethics. Don't you know and SMM know that?

I respect SMM's  mission of wanting to keep the esport dream alive and whatnot in Malaysia, but they should never do it at the expense of people. A seller can never con or lie to a customer/consumer/buyer and this is a golden rule of consumerism. What is there to understand the situation? I am afraid you are the one who is not understanding it.
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Good points, very well said.
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QUOTE(RENEGADEZERG @ Nov 26 2010, 09:10 PM)
Who to hell told you that "there is nothing much the organizers can do but to agree with the sponsor wish"?

If SMM had integrity, they will just tell the sponsors to fuc[k] off and they will find some other sponsor. Even if it means having less sponsors and qualifiers overall, at least they can hold their head high up and say that they proud of themselves for keeping their words and also dignity intact. Where are the principles? In a worst case scenario, if theres really no sponsors at all, then they just have to cancel the whole SMM tourney. But obviously as shown by the SMM organizers, this is not on the top of their priority list and all they care about is to make money. And for you to make excuses for them is just pathetic, because shit like this happen when there are people like you who share the same ahbeng/greedy bastar[d]/must always bow to the master type of mindset/mentality/thinking as them. Then suddenly everything and anything seems acceptable and you find that rules are no longer needed to be followed properly and you can break them without any consequences/punishment.

Another thing is, if they know that most of the time they can't keep to what they say, why must they even say that team XXXX is banned? Just for show? Trying to to give players a false belief? Does not SMM know anything about marketing? Just omit it next time in the future, so players won't be conned anymore. Its called simple ethics. Don't you know and SMM know that?

I respect SMM's  mission of wanting to keep the esport dream alive and whatnot in Malaysia, but they should never do it at the expense of people. A seller can never con or lie to a customer/consumer/buyer and this is a golden rule of consumerism. What is there to understand the situation? I am afraid you are the one who is not understanding it.
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QUOTE(Optimist @ Nov 14 2010, 10:05 PM)
Semi:
Adn.av win red
bone power win adn

Final:
bone power > adn

good to see team wf chinese n malay won!
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cant find the replay in fb...

are there gone edi?
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u want which match replay?
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all bone power replays ! thanks
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