I read the review. The 5870CF is almost same as 6870CF due to better directx 11 performance on 6000 series. Frame between both of them is just 2~3 frames. and 3D Mark Vantage is just 100 mark diff, y dont just get one more 5870 can crossfire it, save money for your wallet.

I found out 5000 series can be use for 3d Gaming on 3d LED and 3d glasses, which is good news for 5000 series though. But i don't think anyone will get 3d LCD right. Except for those rich guys

This 10.10 also fix my resolution scaling issue so that i will not need to always rescale the screen everytime i restart PC.

+1, don't too fast give death sentence to graphic card. Might be software/driver issue.

New products indeed give buggy bugs. Just like previous 5000 series. The most common bug is mouse cursor haha.

Go google around or check with AMD forum, whether other users are having the same issue or not. Cheers

I also get reference cooler, then you can change to 3rd party cooler easily if you want to have better cooling or you wanna try to overclock yourself.

Preoverclock graphic card usually wont be that stable if you try to overclock again. Thats why you found out there are alot of people are having RMA issue regarding non reference one instead of reference one.

Wow... This is the first time I've seen AMD release 3 hotfix continually for 6800 series. It seems like 6800 driver is indeed not mature at the moment.



Sources: http://fudzilla.com/graphics/item/20643-am...s-more-hotfixes

Try not to compare ATI 6000 series with 400 series, don't forget, Nvidia 500 series is going launch on December. It is not to far from what we have seen now. But of course, now nvidia's bullet is just 400 series. XD

I hope there are more competitives on December, especially if... and only if Nvidia releases 560.

now current high end stream is 6850<5850<6870<5870<6950<6970<5970<6990.

The news stated the 6970 performance will be much similiar or a bit higher than 480, 6950 will be btw 5870 and 6970. Those who own 5970 can really skip this generation as it still beat almost entire 6000 series (except 6990) out.

This post has been edited by Jet23sky: Oct 29 2010, 09:23 AM

If you don't mind the noise, it is enough . But it can be better

This post has been edited by Jet23sky: Oct 29 2010, 01:12 PM

Seriously what for do those people who own 5800 graphic card butthurt? I mean..... we get graphic card is to play games mostly ( I guess ). No point just to get graphic card again for the sake of chasing technology. If 4000 and 5000 series can play almost all ( except few with "ultra" high ) of the game, then 6000 would be some way like, even better only. Unless you are benchmark freak who just want to compare benchmark points.

I don't think they will kill 5800 so straight forward, it just that the 5800 price would drop dramatically. But those 5800 users should have known there would be one day that the price would drop. But we never expect the price would be hanging on for almost 1 year without even dropping. Thats wat we are proud for those 1 year

Heard that 6900 series is a power killing graphic card, consumption is not green anymore. But would gladly see how can the ATI can tune the 6900 to wat limit.

Less power? erm... I dont think so, maybe a bit... but rumours said that the power consumption is almost same as GTX480, which is watt eater LOL. But have to wait for their prerelease first only we know.

O gosh, 5850 cost only RM600? I hope 5870 can drop until RM800 then I will straight rush IT shop buy one to CF.

If 6950 is the price of 5850 which is RM999. Then what is the 5870 price? Don't tell me it will dropped almost RM300 straight to RM800+?

If AMD really intend to have full range products and utilize each of them. 6950 should be placed btw RM1.2k ~ RM1.4k whereas the 6970 should be placed like 480 price. ( Or even lower ), which is around RM1600~ RM1800.

From the AMD chart list, we know that 6970 and 6950 performance should be lower than 5970. Whereas the only card that can beat 5970 is 6990. And Nvidia 480 will be sandwiched btw 6950 and 6970, they want to seal off the entire 480 market totally.

Next week Nvidia will release 580. ( As I expected since last month cause I dont think Nvidia will be stupid enough to give away Christmas market to AMD again ). I wonder 580 performance whether can compete the 6970 or not, then again..... price wars!!!

Actually I'm quite shock that Nvidia 580 is even cheaper than 480. It will then force AMD to restrict their price below RM1500 if they want to get the sales. The price is also not to expensive. Right now we still do not know whether 6970 can beat 580 or not. Thats why AMD needs to delay it and tune it even higher to beat 580 O.o.

Even 5970 got its price cut already. I think is around 1.5k as well. Man... Too many choices for those who are getting high performance card.

But the TDP is really make me , that kind of power hunger really scare me haha.

If you try to compare between 5870 and 6870. There are good benefit for the 6870 side.

1) 6870 takes the lead in tesellation heavy games and performs as good as 5870 in DX10/9 games.

2) 6870 can be overclocked easily.

3) 6870 is shorter.

4) 6870 has smaller die area and lower power consumption so it does not heat up as much as 5870.

5) Got lots of good things xtra feature, which I do not need to mention again as you all know already ( display port bla bla bla ).

Getting 6870 is definitely a good choice rather than getting 5870 second hand. Of course unless you want less hassle. Cause right now I can see that 6000 series driver is still got some bugs and not yet been fully optimized, and maybe there are some user who does not like the reference card, instead they like non reference card more.

But of course if your fren is not a "die hard" benchmark guy who complain loss point in benchmark score, or he's nagging just for few fps loss. Then 5870 is still a good choice for him. You won't see much performance diff btw those 2 cards. Just that the cost might not be benefit to u. Anyway, you will have to see how's the price market of 5870 flowing in future, thats where you will find out the loss.
(P/S: No need to be sad about getting 5870 for a bad price, in the end your fren is still enjoying the game, of course there will be some "tech chasing" guy might not like it )

To me 6870 is like Nvidia 460, cheap and popular. But we don't know how's the market next year as 560 is on its way.

This post has been edited by Jet23sky: Nov 16 2010, 10:52 AM

A lot of people keep telling, if you wait for next series, by the time the next series is release, the "next next series" is coming as well, and they advised to get it now. Actually this is not quite entirely true. As the gap btw each series can be huge or small. Even so we also know that next generation will be 28nm chipset, and thus potential is very very very high. If just chasing the next series card because of the 20% performance incresed, I just dont think it is worth it. We use graphic card is to make our game smoother, and maximize usage. I can even see 8tvt card can even run smoothly almost every game even now. For me I think it would be waste for getting new cards. I'm getting new graphic card for 2 purpose: 1) Almost all game i cannot run smoothly, or even able to play. 2) Graphic card spoil and not able to claim. That is so call money saving.

Have you tried given a fresh reinstallation? Uninstall driver -> clean ATI related stuff in safe mode -> install driver? If it is still not working, check your .Net framework is it installed? If the problem still presist, check through Internet whether they have any same issue like you or not.

Refer to this forum website as someone is having the same issue as yours. http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=332431

But it seems like what they are recommending is almost same as me and 8tvt advice >.<

But nevertherless, if it is still not working. You can try roll back the 10.10d first. And then do the entire reinstallation of 10.10e again to see if it is working or not.

This post has been edited by Jet23sky: Nov 16 2010, 12:12 PM

6870 is good performance jump from 4870 to 6870. So go ahead and purchase.

This post has been edited by Jet23sky: Nov 16 2010, 03:34 PM

you can just install 10.10e without installing the 10.10.

This is getting confusing.... Should i get 10.11 or just stick with 10.10e? Does performance really make so much difference btw both of them? In order to change the MLAA setting, I think you need to restart pc right? Yesterday I turn on the MLAA setting. I check on messenger, and icon font, all remain the same. Until this morning i switch on my pc..... everything is blur. ( like previous forumer post ). So means that if you wan to have the game with MLAA turn on, you need to restart pc in order for it to work.... Or has anyone tried on the AMD profiler to set the MLAA on specified game only without affecting the rest of the application?

But it seems like it also affect on Windows OS font as well right? Cause everything is so blur to me

I haven't tried on the game yet. I google it and it seems like it is better than AA cause this one like almost did not waste any resource by applying it. Which we mostly think that enable AA will cause major slow down on gaming.

I thought it will make the edge smoother without wasting resource ? Thats the purpose for MLAA right?