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News Dell XPS 15 is back! ~ rm2999 ~ It has launch!, Core i5, GT420M, 4GB, 500GB, JBL subwoof
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LightningFist
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Oct 24 2010, 12:55 AM
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Minion of the Damned
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What does swt mean?
Yeah that's why I'm waiting for them to stop lying, fix that, and if the price remains the same I'll buy it then - oh wait no AMD GPUs will be out then with Sandy Bridge.
Don't Buy XPS!
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LightningFist
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Oct 24 2010, 01:45 PM
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Minion of the Damned
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Surprised why everyone is so in awe of JBL. It might be just another useless add-on because JBL subwoofer speakers in a similar sized laptop have not impressed me at all. Once again the speakers are tiny and they just made the grille big.
OS Media kit is now charged everywhere (5 pounds in UK, 5 dollars in Aus etc) and even tho I have 3 Dell PCs, one just bought recently, they won't give me one. Zzz
Don't Buy XPS!
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LightningFist
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Oct 24 2010, 03:37 PM
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Minion of the Damned
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LOL? We don't know how soft/loud it is yet. And website reviews mostly cannot be trusted because they are biased most of the time - lauding the products like some god given notebook/handheld.
But if I'm right about JBL subwoofer, even RM30 earphones will be sufficient - the quality is not so bad with "enhancement" software, but it's still bad, and the volume is soft unless you got some loud MP3 or game like I said.
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LightningFist
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Oct 24 2010, 10:42 PM
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Minion of the Damned
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Well I think i5 is better than i7 quad overall, and Dell still hasn't let up about the GT 435M. We can be certain GT 435M will be much, much hotter than HD 5730.
Radeon HD 6000s are being launched, so hopefully we will see the Mobile version of the successor of 5730/5830.
Now if there were SXPS 16 parts and touch panel built into XPS 15 body, that would be awesome.
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LightningFist
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Oct 24 2010, 11:08 PM
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Minion of the Damned
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I have waited >2 months already with no laptop, I miss having one all to myself  If it's a good product I will wait, I really preferred to buy at this time, around November, but others have very limited warranty I cannot trust (after what happened with my last few laptops I am really cautious now). They have AMD fusion and other things coming out, but people give really bad comments about AMD CPUs. I believe i5 is compatible with 2GB VRAM since other laptops are sold with those specs. It's just Dell being Dell. It will be hard for me to accept buying a hot Nvidia GPU, but buying it with i7? I will never repeat that mistake. Bad news is Sandy Bridge products all have quite high TDPs. It's like Intel and Nvidia are competing, who can make the hottest product with the worst relative performance.
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LightningFist
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Oct 25 2010, 01:32 AM
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Minion of the Damned
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SXPS 16 is HD 5730  I do not like Lenovo laptops. Sager laptops have i5 and fast GPUs, faster than HD 5830/GT 445M. But alas there will be complications if there is something wrong and I need it repaired, etc. Alienware and MSI also have i5 and faster GPUs. There are others too of course, like HP, and Dell Latitude/Precision. Yes, the main thing is I want a laptop with GPU faster or equal to HD 5730, but not as hot as most Nvidias (so it is most likely an AMD). If I bought Asus, MSI, Lenovo, Acer, Sager etc, I will have problems if something goes wrong. Internationally the warranty is not as reliable as Dell. But Dell had to screw us with the new XPS. Don't Buy XPS!
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LightningFist
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Oct 25 2010, 01:57 PM
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Minion of the Damned
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Putochip, other laptops ARE sold with i5 (460/560 etc) + GPUs Faster Than GT435/445M... that's just a fact... what do you work for Dell or something?
i7 quad is pretty hot if you're in Malaysia or when your room temperature is close to 26/27 and it is scorching outside. Not to mention humidity is high. Nvidia GPUs are hot, that's also a fact. There are exceptions but in general that's that. Just use some Nvidia + i7 laptops and then compare.
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LightningFist
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Oct 26 2010, 04:16 PM
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Minion of the Damned
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Of course dude. My 6 year old Dell was like USD1000+ at the time, and now that is higher than the price of starting XPS 17, or other high end laptops like Sager/Asus/Dell! And it was only Pentium M 1.5GHz, 256 RAM or 512.
But 5k M1330 - quite a lot. I don't have the discrete GPU M1330, but its battery is like a Macbook's - goes on forever.
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LightningFist
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Oct 26 2010, 07:21 PM
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Minion of the Damned
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Obviously Alienware is different, the body is huge so it can take i7-920XM at 74C which is staggeringly cool - assuming your i7-920XM is Alienware.
If you are able to achieve 74C at actual full load over an extended time with i7 quad in a laptop with the normal, average size and build, i.e. no huge cooling system like Alienware, in non-air conditioned conditions, then it would be something amazing.
G73JW and G73JH may not have the exact same build and parts, this I am not sure, but in any case 2C is not a significant difference.
G73 is larger than G53 and should by default be slightly less warm even with the same cooling system and fans. Notebookcheck temperature measurements are inconsistent and not error-free. So while 78 and 67 may seem like a large difference, is errors are taken into account, the real difference may be less significant.
But I was not talking about Asus G53/73 specifically. The average laptop (Acer, Dell, Lenovo, Fujitsu, Toshiba, Sony) with i7-720QM or better will have much higher Full Load over extended period (like 1 or 2 hours) temperatures if, even if you go by Notebookcheck's reviews and data.
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LightningFist
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Oct 26 2010, 08:07 PM
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Minion of the Damned
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That's great, but how long was the test run? Compared to running a benchmark or game, at high settings/medium, over at least half an hour, in a non-air conditioned room.
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LightningFist
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Oct 26 2010, 08:43 PM
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Minion of the Damned
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Well, some Nvidia cards aren't that hot. The newer ones in particular have improved a little.
What I mean is pairing discrete GPUs with i7 makes it hotter than most dual cores.
Max temperature can depend on the system. Here we have max temp claims of 60+ to 70C, but "reviews" suggest they usually are at high 70s and can move to 80-90C depending on the laptop. Its limit the card can withstand is about 100-105C.
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LightningFist
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Oct 28 2010, 03:07 PM
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Minion of the Damned
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You want a numpad, but not everyone does  And nobody expects a numpad on a 15 inch laptop. "Other than the i7 & Graphic Card option, the heat issue (that may not be a problem at all) and other alterenatives" then there you go, you should buy it since there are no other major reasons not to. But, if you really want i7, the Asus i7/HD 5730 would be better than this in terms of specs (not sure about the resolution and screen size on that one).
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LightningFist
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Oct 28 2010, 03:57 PM
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Minion of the Damned
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Too compact? Some say it is too bulky lol.
Top panel is not too impressive, i.e. speakers and touch panel, power button area.
But aluminium is nice.
About colour I'm not sure if it's grey, or black, or silver or what.
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LightningFist
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Oct 28 2010, 06:01 PM
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Minion of the Damned
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Lmao look at the damn weight of G53/G73!
I was using a 14 inch notebook or 5 years (but it was not really light). So when I bought a 15.6 inch laptop, weighing in at 2.75kg, it was very bulky at first - hard to move around on the table. Of course it isn't heavy to move around, but I mean it's really bulky. If you're not the type who likes huge machines, the G series is a bad idea. Otherwise, Alienware or G series would be good (except you have to import G series as it is hugely overpriced).
Now if Dell quit screwing about and offered i5 + GT435M then I would buy XPS 15. They only offer 3 years warranty through customisation here >.<
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LightningFist
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Oct 28 2010, 09:14 PM
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Minion of the Damned
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LOL. Yeah they have good cooling systems, if that is the hardware you are referring to. Their high specs should not contribute to weight.
A light laptop is not necessarily poorly built or flimsy. Something heavy is again not always well-built or sturdy, just rather difficult to push around on a desk due to its greater center of gravity.
I don't think 3GB RAM sticks exist. But there are dual/triple channel RAM configs, though one person mentioned the difference is negligible.
It's the things you mentioned in the "other than" part that makes many of us not want to buy XPS. The whole graphics card issue. And yes, some people are waiting for conclusive reviews, but in my experience, reviews don't tell the truth. Sure, forums of people complaining about the product they bought may be biased slightly on account of the purchaser's anger, but they contain more truth than your average online review.
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LightningFist
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Oct 29 2010, 12:15 AM
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Minion of the Damned
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Give Dell a call tomorrow during office hours. Try to ask for documentation. Tell them about your situation.
Yes this laptop is a good deal, though it has disappointed many. And with warranty there shouldn't be much concern.
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LightningFist
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Oct 29 2010, 01:59 PM
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Minion of the Damned
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wongpeter: Yeah, what Astria said  Number 2's pretty much the main reason, while Number 1, just take a look at M1330 or Studio XPS, and Number 3, there are tons of other brands but they had to go with JBL >.< On the other hand, if you want entry level i7 quad, if you want 2GB Nvidia card of slightly lower performance than ATI 5730, if you like the design (something less important than specs, on account of the price), then it's great. Zerato: Oh, because you want the backlit keyboard and cheaper price, I see.
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LightningFist
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Oct 29 2010, 05:07 PM
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Minion of the Damned
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Why would it be sarcasm? Without the present discounts available to Dell UK customers, the XPS 15 in the UK would set you back much, much more than the Malaysian one does, according to the exchange rate of course, putting purchasing power aside.
According to some, Dell UK's XPS 15s have no backlit keyboard.
Thus I assumed that would be why you would buy it in Malaysia rather than the UK.
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LightningFist
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Oct 29 2010, 11:19 PM
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Minion of the Damned
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Totally biased. Since I haven't used it myself I cannot say, but according to a user's screenshot and comments http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...0#entry37391113 temperature management (about the most important thing) is good. Design has improved (not aesthetically, but functionally). Specs are decent but not enough to please previous users of XPS and their expectations. As soon as the options I want are made available I will buy it (that is, if the next new thing isn't out). If you use Windows 7 then you know it is slow anyway, so reviews that claim their new purchases are "blisteringly fast" are just full of crap. In the UK there was a very short deal for <500 pounds for a loaded XPS 15. Unfortunately it's gone now. But, if you had to pay 500 for shipping, does that justify having to go through shipping then? It's still a 2-3 week wait.
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LightningFist
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Oct 30 2010, 02:20 AM
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Minion of the Damned
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Ah, with employee discount that would work out well, because this time round the XPS are not overpriced by too much as they usually are.
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