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arekey
post Dec 3 2010, 04:09 PM

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From Egonutritions :
We'll be organizing EGOnutrition's "Grow with the Bros" - Workout with Team EGO at Anabolic Gym, PJ for 2 hours and get to sample pre-workouts, post-workouts and learn from the Team at the same time (Comprises of WBPF Wong Hong, Edmund (Mr. Selangor Junior '09), Kumar (Mr. Malaysia Junior '06), and Adam "Animal" Estino...so! Dates will be confirmed soon. For those who are interested ............

Should be interesting.
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post Dec 3 2010, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(teamloks @ Dec 3 2010, 05:04 PM)
hmm just wan to ask... my weight is 115kg and height 170cm
im trying to loss weight and get muscular ... some of my friend say if i wan to loss weight i need to lift a light weight but more reps... cause now i always lift more weight and less reps

e.g:
5kg x7
5kg x7
8kg x8
8kg x8

so if i wan to lose weight should i lift light weight and more reps or more weight but less reps
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1. A higher proportion of high-set, high-repetition training (no lower
than the 10- to 12-rep range), with very short rest periods so as to burn off
as much fat as possible. Doing a few extra sets of a few extra exercises
while you are trying to get lean is a good idea. No light weight pls.
2. Additional aerobic exercise such as bicycle riding, running, or
some other calorie-consuming activity. Training in the gym burns calories,
but not as much as cardio exercise done on a continuous basis for 30 to 45
minutes or more at a time.
3. A low-calorie diet that contains the necessary nutritional balance. Not zero anything, but the minimum amount of protein,
carbohydrates, and fats, with vitamin and mineral supplements to be certain
the body is not being deprived of any essential nutrients.

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post Dec 3 2010, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Dec 3 2010, 05:51 PM)
that bad? its okay bro, i'll buy a new tub once i finish the 10lbs on whey i just ordered tongue.gif thanks for the reply though..
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It's a bean/pea protien. of couse taste like bean laa. like kacang rebus + ice cream vanilla.
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post Dec 4 2010, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(kotmj @ Dec 4 2010, 01:09 AM)
I haven't been around here in ages. But I have been training all this while. As I have predicted, training has become a part of my life and I cannot imagine not training. I feel sluggish and zombie-like after a while of not training (say 1.5 months), and see no muscle definition in the mirror...

I did a bunch of programs but the one which brought the most amazing results was one I found on tnation. I forgot the name, but will certainly recall it soon enough. It's simple and so effective at putting on muscle.

About a month ago I went into a state I have never experienced before. Total loss of libido (no appetite even for porn), sluggish, and got ill. Even after I recovered from the mild fever, I couldn't bear the though of lifting a barbell. I had zero appetite for lifting. I felt like shit. It went on for 3 weeks and I couldn't figure out why.

Then one morning I woke up and realize I had a 6-pack. WTF? Was I on a calorie deficit? I thought I ate well? Then I went to the tailor and he told me I lost weight.

That day I forced myself to eat. The next day, I ate and ate. Baguette with olive oil. Steak. JM Briani. Ate and ate.

Two days later I felt normal. I looked forward to lifting again. Libido came back. Unbelievable.

Beware unintended calarie deficit.


Added on December 4, 2010, 12:18 amBTW I have stopped drinking whey. I use NitroCore24 and I like it much better. Been using it for 6 months.

I drink whey only before and during workouts.
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post Dec 8 2010, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(choyster @ Dec 8 2010, 03:18 PM)
Hi guys would you mind giving me some comments on my current workout

Squats
DB Bench Press ( alternate incline)
Rows
Lateral Raise ( sometimes i do military press to replace)
Biceps Curls
Triceps Pulldown
Push Ups - 20 x3
Plank -35sec

For the others i do 12x3
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What's your goal??
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post Dec 8 2010, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(choyster @ Dec 8 2010, 04:00 PM)
Muscle Gain and Conditioning
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Look like more to fitness.
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post Dec 8 2010, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(uncontrolled @ Dec 8 2010, 04:37 PM)
Hey guys, just wanna share my dumb workout. The day before I workout, I felt that myself have a lil bit fever and cough. But I ignore it. The day I workout(14 days trial at celebrity fitness, just go for fun with friends ), I can't find the 5kg dumbbell to do chest fly over and other chest workout. My gym use kg as the weigh of dumbbell, but cf use lbs. So I pick the smallest lbs I can found to do my workout which is 20lbs. After my workout, I feel a lil muscle ache at my chest and I ignore it since it's normal after workout. While I driving back home, I feel my chest getting more pain. I can't even control my steering properly. At home, I straight take a nap. After nap, I found that I hardly move myself cause the pain of my chest is terrible. Besides, I suffer from severe fever. It's like WTF!!! Suffering weih.. The day after that which is today, I lie on the bed for whole day and suffering fever and muscle ache, I can't even get off the bed easily. Just took whey and pananol. Hopefully my pain can gone. But I suspect I got muscle tear~

Anyone gt any idea?! And don't workout when u are sick! Also, choose the correct weight of dumbbell ...
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You skip the warm-up, you've got injuries....
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post Dec 8 2010, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(choyster @ Dec 8 2010, 04:53 PM)
really? i dont mind if its for fitness as well  biggrin.gif  but do you see anything wrong with my workout which can be improved to change to better suit my goals?
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Squats

DB Bench Press ( alternate incline) - > Keep it straight with straight barbell. The good old bench press
is a must for developing a thick chest. The bench press should be a staple in your chest training routine.


Rows - > Deads for life. It's great for overall thickness and mass. Hands down there is no better feeling than
pullin some big weight off the floor.

Lateral Raise ( sometimes i do military press to replace) -> Don't let your shoulders go M.I.A. Do your standing military presses. Overhead strength is something that is earned. The heavy military press is a must in getting massive delts.

Biceps Curls -> Again Keep it straight with straight bar curls.The straight bar is great
for overall mass on the big guns we all wish we had.

Triceps Pulldown -> Crush your skull crushers. Skulls will build you the horseshoes
of a Clydesdale.


Push Ups - 20 x3

Plank -35sec

These are the basics that you should not miss out on in your
training. Keep it simple with the core exercises and incorporate
them in your training to see serious old school results.

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post Dec 9 2010, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(chewinggum @ Dec 9 2010, 08:36 PM)
different section of the bicep . read this somewhere directed from google :S
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Depending on your palm position, it's hits different area on the bicep group. palm down (reverse curl), palm up(normal curl), palm straight (hammer curl).
Also when your do straight bar curl, the close grip and wide grip also hit different section of the bicep


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post Dec 13 2010, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(msafwan1773 @ Dec 13 2010, 04:38 PM)
is that can happen if we take to much whey or casein ??
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2 question
1) Do you know what is whey and casein??
2) Did you think that both are same as steriod?


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post Dec 14 2010, 03:02 PM

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Gentlemen

Can I have your taught/experience about this article "Will Eating More Protein Help Your Body Gain Muscle Faster?"

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art...rticlekey=50900

Summary :

High protein and low-carb can couse water loss often shows up on the scale as weight loss. But along with losing water, you lose muscle mass and bone calcium. The dehydration also strains your kidneys and puts stress on your heart.

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post Dec 14 2010, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(shiloong7081 @ Dec 14 2010, 05:14 PM)
You can listen to those who probably sit all day in a lab, and the heaviest thing they would ever lift is their fingers, or those people who dedicate their time to lifting and eating.

'Adding more protein but not more calories or exercise to your diet won't help you build more muscle mass, but it may put your other bodily systems under stress.
Eating more protein and increasing total caloric intake while maintaining the same exercise level will build an equal amount of additional fat and muscle mass, according to a study published in 1992 in the Journal of the American Geriatrics Society.'
That study is 18 years old, i won't put too much weight on that.
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Who do you think make whey protein delicious?? Bodybuilder or scientist??

If you wanna make research in BB, doesn't mean that you must be bodybuilder.

It's has been review on 2002 brutha.

The question is how much is more and the effect on cutting carb to our body.

We know that we need certain ratio carb to protein to build muscle.
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post Dec 14 2010, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(shiloong7081 @ Dec 14 2010, 06:18 PM)
Sorry arekey, i missed out some points.

But then again, people who advocate you taking 1.5g of protein/pound per day are people who work in the labs, for scivation, ON, gaspari,etc . People who directly gain a benefit from you consuming their products. So what do you take from that ?

I can say for most of us here, at least for me, who is still very much new to this, won't be able to hit 200g of protein per day. but i do what i can, lift hard, and enjoy the journey.

Ultimately, it really boils down to the individual. Everyone is built differently. Bodybuilding is for life, you are the only one who can figure out what works or not.
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No problem brutha. nothing wrong high protien diet.

The article tell us what happen during cutting phase. We'll lost some muscle mass and this article show why.
And when we know why, we can minimize the effect.

Remember the article not oppose high protien diet.

look at this advice

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So think twice when you consider sacrificing the carbohydrates for a protein-dominant diet, Butterfield says. Drastically cutting carbohydrates from your diet may force your body to fight back.
We need to look at carb and get plenty of water to minimize the loss muscle mass when in high protien diet during cutting

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post Dec 20 2010, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(ucngu @ Dec 20 2010, 04:15 PM)
bodybuilding.com/fun/get_big_and_ripped_workout.htm

hey guys..wat do u think about this workout (2nd place)..get big n ripped at the same time?
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Yeah why not?

Here are real-life example

http://www.muscleandstrength.com/articles/...sformation.html

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post Dec 20 2010, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(ucngu @ Dec 20 2010, 04:32 PM)
it say we can do either 3 x 10 or 5 x 5.. any different?
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Read This

http://www.muscleandstrength.com/articles/...est-growth.html

Arnold use high volume while mike mentze focus on high intensity

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post Dec 21 2010, 03:22 PM

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Arnold Method on Basic Mass Routine

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post Dec 22 2010, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(Aztec @ Dec 22 2010, 01:51 AM)
lol..that arnold workout is crazy man...7days in the gym..  sweat.gif

should produce results though if u have the dedication and time to actually follow it..
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6 days actually. Sunday is rest day.
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post Dec 27 2010, 04:09 PM

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If you want to bulk then you have to eat like Hulk! look at the ‘all-you-can-eat buffet’ as an opportunity
to test your stomach limits. This is a great way to increase your appetite but also to
make you tougher mentally and more in tune to what it takes to build muscle.

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post Dec 28 2010, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(shiloong7081 @ Dec 27 2010, 07:25 PM)
ah. that was directed at ijnek who is somehow implying we should eat like that often to 'make us tough mentally' and 'test your stomach limits'
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Where does the word 'often' came from? tongue.gif

Your high school phys-ed teacher was a bit off when he told you that a ‘calorie is a
calorie,’ and if you simply eat less than you expend (no matter what you eat) you will
lose weight. And if you eat more than you expend (eating whatever you want), you’ll
gain weight.

As you know, this formula will fail because 2000 calories from pastries, pre-packaged
macaroni and cheese, and fast food is completely different from 2000 calories of
natural fruit and vegetables, lean cuts of high quality protein and healthy fats.

In the book, “Nutrient Timing” by Drs. John Ivy and Robert Portman, the authors
refer to three critical times of the day in which nutrient timing takes on a greater
importance. These times are known as the Energy Phase, The Anabolic Phase, and The
Growth & Recovery Phase.

So what’s the big deal about when to eat? To fully understand nutrient timing it is
critical that you understand these two points:
1. There are ‘windows of opportunity’ in the day when your body will be primed
for muscle gain but there are also ‘windows of in opportunity’ when your body is
primed for fat gain.
Add in the wrong foods at the wrong times and you will
instantly sabotage your quest for a lean and ripped physique. Add the right foods
at the right times and you will give your body an enormous advantage over
others.
2. Choose your foods wisely – some can be disastrous at certain times of the day
and some can be extremely powerful at other times of the day.

For example,sugar should be avoided at almost all costs except prior to, during and after your
workout. Likewise, high fiber foods are excellent at all times of the day but will
be a hindrance during the post workout period. Certain proteins such as whey are
excellent during and immediately after a workout but not so beneficial at other
times of the day.
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post Dec 28 2010, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(harris92 @ Dec 28 2010, 03:31 PM)
Hey guys, I have a nagging question about calories.

And since Arekey brought it up, think its a good time to ask.
From what I understand from that post is that,
1) 2000 calories from healthy food is different than 2000 calories from, say, potato chips.
2) That the calories from healthy food will help us gain weight better.
3) Unhealthy foods will not make us gain as much weight. (Why?)

Question is, how do I explain to some people why do we have to eat clean while trying to gain weight (not necessarily body builders), when their answers would generally be, "If I want to gain weight, why not eat chips? Its unhealthy as hell, so I should gain the weight, right?".
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I’m sorry if got you confuse. You got it wrong in No 3.
What I write is related to gain muscle weight. Unhealthy foods do make us gain weight.

To Gain Weight :
1. You must understand energy balance (Energy In vs. Energy Out).
2. You have to eat the right foods at the right times.

Here is the easiest way to understand energy balance:
Energy Balance = Energy Intake – Energy Expenditure
Energy intake encompasses whatever you put in your mouth – food or drink. Energy is
made up of several factors including resting metabolic rate (RMR), calorie cost of
activity, thermic effect of food (TEF), and adaptive thermogenesis. The balance of
intake versus outtake is a critical starting point in weight gain or loss.
If you have a SURPLUS of calories (positive energy balance) where the intake
EXCEEDS the expenditure, you gain weight. If you have a DEFICIT of calories (negative
energy balance) where the intake is LESS than expenditure, you lose weight.

Remember, a surplus of calories is ONLY one component of gaining weight!
Anybody who tells you that you must simply eat a SURPLUS of calories to gain weight is RIGHT.
You will definitely gain weight – a dump load of body fat that is.
Let’s say your body needs 2000 calories to grow – don’t think that your body will grow on 2000 calories of
chips and cookies just because you are in a SURPLUS.
Two thousand calories of junk and empty calories is COMPLETELY different than 2000 calories of high quality carbs,
proteins, fats, vitamins and minerals.
Anybody who does not understand this does not Understand the theory that a calorie is not a calorie.

To summaries, Potato Chips Makes you Gain Fat Weight while healthy Food makes you Gain Muscle Weight.
So which one you'll choose? Big-Fat or Big-Muscular??

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