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 The Canon EOS Thread V30, The White Knights

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post Oct 20 2010, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(ComradeZ @ Oct 20 2010, 02:50 PM)
Maybe before I was using the wrong choice of words... sorry to all... and this is a debate indeed so I don't pretty much care what people from dada or whatever just want someone to debate with me thats all.

the word I'm looking for is dynamic.. which is dynamic coloring. not hdr but close.

from the yellow camp I've seen alot of dynamic colors. Better yet can be seen as series of depth on each color but in canon i can't see those depth of color... like the whole picture is just 1 big color that controls it.

correct me if im wrong. smile.gif
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QUOTE(valho @ Oct 20 2010, 02:53 PM)
yellow camp color are warmer and vibrant by default, Canon color is more neutral by default. Can you do a more vibrant color on Canon? YES.

How? by tweaking your picture style if you want it to be vibrant and dynamic out of camera. if not post process it later.
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AAHHHHHHHH!!!! THANK YOU! thats what I'm trying to debate about!!!!! so clearly that yellow camp is warmer and vibrant by default... and on the contrary to the canon it needs cooking after capture...



see if we debate... what we can get? tongue.gif I hope people will continue on debating about other stuff... maybe about lens and stuff. Then again.....


see I'm babbling to myself.

anyway, pleasure to debate with you guys was my topic debate with my fren on the yellow camp. So thanks for the choice of words and I'll be using it in a debate with my frens soon. So that they will change camp hahaha!
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post Oct 20 2010, 03:04 PM

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so the next time your fren said their camera can capture more vibrant color, you can show them Canon can do that too biggrin.gif
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post Oct 20 2010, 03:14 PM

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My canon shoot vibrant colors whatt.... doh.gif

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Out of camera picture wor, expect for resizing and minor exposure edit, color wise...untouched smile.gif

that is because of pic styles la biggrin.gif

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post Oct 20 2010, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Oct 20 2010, 11:53 AM)
If goldie in charge of the Apollo missions... he'll say screw the f0.7... bring lotsa speedlites tongue.gif
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i just saw this. no la don't simply say me. i noob but nonid la bully me. tongue.gif

got someone quote me on ISO too - yeah man, pump iso when need to. don't shy shy.

QUOTE(ComradeZ @ Oct 20 2010, 02:19 PM)
anyone here got a collection of portrait photography? I've been seeing canon's ... doesn't seem to be impressed tho... while the other yellow camp seems to got more... of that vibrant warmth to it.. and more dynamic range to it..

anyone get what I'm about to express here?
met Jerry Ghionis, love his photos. he uses 5d2.

locals, i've seen works from Saiful Nang and Edwin Tan. Lovely work using Canon systems.

CM Leung using Canon 60D and S90 for some shoots too.

no matter how many photogs i can name that uses Canon, you'll have a bunch of others using other brands too.

if you ever saw the photos used in like WPPI or WPJa or whatever those competition, the photos are all PPed so in the end brand doesn't matter already. smile.gif

talking about dynamic range, if not mistaken Nikon has more than Canon.
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post Oct 20 2010, 05:33 PM

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Guys, i totally lost about pp'ed a photo bcoz im noob at all in that case ^-^ .. so just wanna ask a bit.. Im using photoscape and if im just touch my photo by deepen it step by step is it "MENGALAKKAN" ? is that enough of simple touching a photo ?

p/s : dont bomb me to read article about post processed coz i oledi follow it in photomalaysia article, wiki, uncle google but still im not good about pp'ed a photo..


Valho : ur potrait outdoor photo just use natural light ? didnt use flash ? didnt use reflector ? do heavy pp ?

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Why is it the EF75-300mm f/4-5.6 III USM so much cheaper than EF70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM?
Is it becoz only of the fixed aperture and also the IS ?

What makes L series lens much more expensive? is it the material used or what? =(

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QUOTE(Ruidon @ Oct 20 2010, 06:02 PM)
Why is it the EF75-300mm f/4-5.6 III USM so much cheaper than EF70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM?
Is it becoz only of the fixed aperture and also the IS ?

What makes L series lens much more expensive? is it the material used or what? =(
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You do realize that with Fixed Aperture and IS, you have the ability to take a lot more pictures which you will not be able to with the 75-300mm.
L Lens have better IQ(generally), some are weatherproof, and most of them tend to be able to last longer.
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QUOTE(Ruidon @ Oct 20 2010, 06:02 PM)
Why is it the EF75-300mm f/4-5.6 III USM so much cheaper than EF70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM?
Is it becoz only of the fixed aperture and also the IS ?

What makes L series lens much more expensive? is it the material used or what? =(
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It's like Toyota n Lexus lor. Lexus is much better in everything coz they charge more so they can give more. Toyota built on a budget so everything is of a cheaper grade. Same thing with L lens.
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@Sarbath pp is a general term for doing any sorts of adjustments to a photo out of cam.

Normal pp would be standard stuff like contrast, exposure, white balance. Heavy pp is where you start doing things like playing with color tones, selective lightening/darkening, etc.
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Oct 20 2010, 06:51 PM)
@Sarbath pp is a general term for doing any sorts of adjustments to a photo out of cam.

Normal pp would be standard stuff like contrast, exposure, white balance. Heavy pp is where you start doing things like playing with color tones, selective lightening/darkening, etc.
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QUOTE(ianho @ Oct 20 2010, 06:23 PM)
It's like Toyota n Lexus lor. Lexus is much better in everything coz they charge more so they can give more. Toyota built on a budget so everything is of a cheaper grade. Same thing with L lens.
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so proton will be the 50mm f1.8? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(farscope @ Oct 20 2010, 07:05 PM)
so proton will be the 50mm f1.8? tongue.gif
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Proton not even qualified to make the Canon lens cup. laugh.gif

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@uncle lol i don't have many nice pics lah. too chicken to bring cam out with me most of the time, and i don't have $$ to buy a compact.

anyway here's a pic from nairobi, lots of people walking in the middle of the roads selling stuff. including kittens, puppies, and rabbits.
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and here are two random and poorly composed pics of flic en flac (beach on the west coast of mauritius).
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Bigger pano shot here.

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Oct 20 2010, 07:51 PM)
@Sarbath pp is a general term for doing any sorts of adjustments to a photo out of cam.

Normal pp would be standard stuff like contrast, exposure, white balance. Heavy pp is where you start doing things like playing with color tones, selective lightening/darkening, etc.
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oo ok, so i just deepen a bit so is that enough wihout doing any contrast echancement, hue or saturation ehancement ?
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 20 2010, 03:15 PM)
i just saw this. no la don't simply say me. i noob but nonid la bully me. tongue.gif

got someone quote me on ISO too - yeah man, pump iso when need to. don't shy shy.
met Jerry Ghionis, love his photos. he uses 5d2.

locals, i've seen works from Saiful Nang and Edwin Tan. Lovely work using Canon systems.

CM Leung using Canon 60D and S90 for some shoots too.

no matter how many photogs i can name that uses Canon, you'll have a bunch of others using other brands too.

if you ever saw the photos used in like WPPI or WPJa or whatever those competition, the photos are all PPed so in the end brand doesn't matter already. smile.gif

talking about dynamic range, if not mistaken Nikon has more than Canon.
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I think so too.. thats why I've seen alot of people using nikon got alot of dynamic in it's photos
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Canon got Picture Style can produce vibrant colours too.
For me if normal shooting i prefer orange camp after using a 550 .
But for portrait i will still prefer Canon.
Well, it is really subjective to the person la~

Nowadays PP technology so powderful, a little PP can make your photo looks better already
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QUOTE(Sarbath @ Oct 20 2010, 07:49 PM)
oo ok, so i just deepen a bit so is that enough wihout doing any contrast echancement, hue or saturation ehancement ?

there's no such thing as "enough" or "not enough," it's all subjective and depends on what you want to achieve.

basically you should at least know how to adjust exposure, contrast, white/color balance, and maybe levels/curves. this doesn't mean that you MUST do these adjustments - example if the cam got the exposure spot-on then you no need to adjust exposure. i'd say these are the 'basic' pp.

the rest of the stuff is all going into 'creative' territory, where there is way too many different ways to pp to list down. think of a 'look' you want to achieve, google how to do and then experiment lor ... haha.
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There is always the Auto Enhance button. Click that n see what happens.
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hmmm and there i taught how well portrait pictures looks depends more on photographer skills than just which camp has better color in stock setting hmm.. then to solve this is easy... buy all camp... kau tim hahahaa...


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