People are realistic, cause I saw in TL forum, when you comment on people's build, the first word they would ask, which league and how many points you own.. If you said you are plat or gold, or lower diamond they would ask you go play more before commenting

It's not just in game. It's just how the world runs anyway. I'm sure everyone has their own starting point. Just learn to respect each other.

Like Rotijohn, I too was not ready for the Diamond league as well, got bashed up badly, even by Gold players at times. I'm sure they would have saved up the reply and said how pathetic I was. It just takes practice and lots of games to improve. Bit by bit, slowly but surely getting there.

I think the most important lesson to be a consistent player is not how fast, or what kinda tricks you do to beat your opponent, but rather having your basics strong. Like what day[9] always stresses on, build a pylon, build a probe, build a pylon, build a probe and do not get supply blocked throughout the entire game. Once your basics are solid, then you can go for the more funky stuff.

you know, the very basics of beating your opponent, is using EVERYTHING you can do no matter what it is (so long it is legit, not hacks and what not) to take down your adversaries. doesn't matter not on your supply never being block, or your steady same 9 py 12 gate builds. if you're good at cannon rushing, and that wins you games, why the hell not?

Of course you can do whatever you want to win, but have to think further ahead in the game rather than trying to achieve an all in attack. Let's say you're doing a cannon rush, you focus in beating your opponent and forgetting your own economy and if it fails, is there a backup plan? All this little things take into account when playing in the higher leagues coz' it's not that easy to do cannon rushes later on.

i still do it in diamond leagues time to time. the good thing about cannon rushes especially in team game is that, while the biggest flaw is your base being opened for counters, having an ally generally nullifies that, and cannons are easy to contain people while yourself, or your ally expands. and having a surplus of minerals (chrono are 100% to probes lol) and gas means you can suddenly surprise people with high tech units like void rays when they are too focused on getting counters to your cannons (siege tank/marauders/bunker x spine crawler/roaches/trausfusing or creeping queens x stalker [played well, void rays dont have much problems dealing with small amount of stalkers especially backed by a wall of cannons]/immortals etc.)

hell, look at GSL, people even do bunker rushes, cannon rushes in such a HIGH LEVEL tournament that involved a total prize pot of 170k USD. the entire point being that, while basics are good and all, you still need that fast thinking to adapt to situations and decent apm to win games/advance in leagues, and ALL THAT, comes with experience/practice or in a nutshell, simply playing more.

well i agree with both of u...
it's true that as long as u win the match, it doesn't matter what strat u use to win it...canon rush, bunker rush or 6pool etc etc.
but ur basics have to be strong also in order to proceed further...

else if ur opponent know u only know how to canon rush, then basically the game is over...

aLertz - signature too long.

btw cheese or not, those things need skills to execute also. even if don't wipe out opponent also can at least hamper progress, which is a legitimate move in combat.

'nuclear launch detected'

sorry for the OT

yest i play 3 games with Filthy, 2nd ranking from the top 200 ranking in SEA. being pawn very hard by him, his micro, map control, scout are very precise. got no chance to fight back, but i did do alot of mistakes also. there is still a big gap between the real gosu

This post has been edited by ROTiJOHN: Oct 6 2010, 03:20 PM

as the chinese saying goes...'there will alwiz be a higher hill''

geez...me stuck at plat..

That is why like how I put it earlier, be it rushes or no rush, cheese or no cheese, you have to have a certain level of consistency in your game. Going cannon rushes is all good, but you do have to a backup plan. Majority aims to cheese with the intention to winning the game quick but what happens if it fails? Do you have a backup plan to fall unto? Maybe we're talking in 2 different perspectives, because you're referring to mainly team games, and I'm more towards 1v1. In team games, you have a partner to fall back to if something happens but in 1v1, it's either the game falls favor towards your opponent or you. The risk is higher.

And I do agree that in GSL, even the match between Tester (sSKS) and HopeTorture (?intotherain), had plenty of rushes. But the fact that even if it fails, you can see that there's a backup plan later on, which I feel every player should have but hard to achieve if we only focus on cheesing and rushes, and without strengthening the basics. Both are equally as important and shouldn't be neglected.

the same can be applied to 1v1 btw. if you contained ur opponent, you control his economy and the momentum of the battle. so long you dont have any openings for a run by (especially zerg speedlings/zealots/reapers) you pretty much got the game in the bag. worse come to worse, so long you're confident on the containment, you can get 2-3 cannons at your mineral line to play it safe, then pull up void rays and the like to finish it for good.

if you've seen my profile, i do play 1v1 and while its just plat and just barely under 100 games played, i am fairly confident in my skill level against diamonds in SEA probably thanks to vista lasik.

and no, i have not mentioned anything about negligence. i am pointing out that theres "many ways to skin a rabbit" so long it gets the job done, thats it. no need to specifically emphasis on basics, cheese, rush, macro and what not. a good balance is to have everything mastered or at least, effort being put into, and just play more/gain experience. like an example to cheesing: if you're damn good at cheesing, most likelyhood you will be good at defending cheese too due to the familiarity of its timings, cheese positions on various maps, and so forth. same goes to rushing, macroing, fast expanding, etc etc.

well this is a RTS game thus it revolves around ur strategy...
ur strategy must be solid (regardless cheese or not) with sound transition...
and above all, u need to have the foundation and skill for u to carry out that strategy...

in the end, sc2 is a games which revolves around many area which one person can be good at while the gosu ones would be good in everything...

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This post has been edited by Instinct: Oct 6 2010, 11:09 PM

I get a lot of crap for the ppl tht i play with, because i am using MMM drop and pressing T a lot(every 10sec)

p.s I won 4 of my placement match but got ranked at silver.

WOW, so TERROR !!!

back to league placings. i won 5 games of league placement in NA, got instant plat. so nice. SEA placement was hell, started out from bronze, gold in SEA when i got plat in NA.

You do realize that you're already experienced in US when you're most likely not when you started SEA? The global ranking pages speaks for itself so I rest my case if you still want to continue harping the same shit thread after thread lol

the TERROR has spoken, sorry dear sir. i know chii is wrong, will u forgive this pathetic plat player ?

I just finish my 4 losing streak.. 1 Diamond, 2 Plati and 1 gold player..