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kinwing
post Feb 25 2013, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 25 2013, 10:09 AM)
Share with u my method...

With 12K, I split:
3K for 3 months
3K for 6 months
3K for 9 months
3K for 12 months

When the 3 months FD mature, renew to 12 months
When the 6 months FD mature, renew to 12 months

So that u will have a 12-M FD maturing every 3 months icon_idea.gif
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Yes I know this method, but that would be quite a hassle to work on this sweat.gif .

My point is when emergency incident happen and you may need to use the 12k immediately, you would need to take all $ out irregard they are put in 3, 6, 9 or 12-month roll over. If you put in 1-month roll over, the max penalty of losing is just 1-month FD interest.

Anyway, I don't want put more emphasis on interest earns from the FD, to me FD is an tool for liquidity purpose, not a tool for growing capital.
kinwing
post Feb 25 2013, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(foolc @ Feb 25 2013, 10:53 AM)
isnt it better to dump the rm12k emergency funds into the housing loan which is flexible? can withdraw with notice to banks within a few days or some have atm card to withdraw anytime?
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I am not interested in property investment so I have no idea, hope other fellows can help to explain on this.
kinwing
post Feb 25 2013, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 25 2013, 10:55 AM)
Overly liquid may not be a good thing...later IPhone 6 come out, IPad come out, GF wants to go Bali... brows.gif
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A good test indeed on you how to be resistance and perseverance tongue.gif .
kinwing
post Feb 25 2013, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(poolcarpet @ Feb 25 2013, 11:14 AM)
Yes, but you have to calculate any fees charged by bank for withdrawal... e.g. some banks will charge certain amount if you withdraw the excess payment, e.g. RM25 per withdrawal.

So assuming your prop loan interest rate is 4.4%, AND it is daily rest calculation, then I think it is better to put extra funds into the loan account because every RM1000 you put in 'saves' you RM3.67 per month, vs earning FD of RM2.54 per month (assuming 3.05% rate, monthly FD). I use this method smile.gif

However, you need to consider the RM25 charge, so if you're putting in more or think you will not touch the funds for a bit longer, then it's worth it to reduce the home loan using this method but yet still have liquid funds, e.g.

Scenario 1: RM50000 excess funds put in saves RM183 per month vs RM127 earned via FD. The difference is already more than RM25 which is what you have to pay should you need to take out any portion of the RM50k

Scenario 2: RM10000 excess funds put in for 3 months, difference per month is RM36.67-RM25.41 = RM11.26, over 3 months it's RM33.78, again it's more than the RM25 withdrawal fee.
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Oh, first time knowing this hmm.gif .

But I am no clue in property investment, maybe the most I will buy a house for my own staying but not for investment purpose. Anyway, thanks for sharing rclxms.gif .
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post Feb 25 2013, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(harith_gtr34 @ Feb 25 2013, 11:56 AM)
Seems like you guys can help people financial. I want to share my financial too if you guys can give opinion.

gross salary = Rm2200
net salary = rm1958

commitment

Dad's car loan (sharing with siblings) = RM100
give parents = RM100
Unifi = RM149
Phone bill (Celcom) = RM113 (contract end in July)
PTPTN = RM100 (around 2k left)
Personal loan = RM183 (4.5 years)
Astro = RM50
Parking fee = RM70
Part time degree = RM1500/semester (3 months)

Total = RM865
I drive to work and my office is only 8 mins from my house. Usually my car's petrol I put RM70 can last for 1.5 week. I can only managed to save RM500 per month. But at the end of the month I ended up to use my savings to cover expenses like food/ petrol/ cigarettes until pay day.

My personal loan is killing me actually. Regret for applying it. Sigh...

Basically, i have no savings, no car, no property, have ASB but not active.
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Still good can save RM865 per month out of RM2.2k. So your next step is setup an emergency fund with a size of your 6-month spending of up to RM8k (assuming your monthly spending is RM1.3k), that could take you another 9 months to build that with savings of RM865/month.

Once you setup an emergency in 9-month, you may need to save another few more months up to RM3k for investment such as ASB, property, equities in order to growth your wealth further, or you could at least save to buy a car or property (for staying purpose) after having an emergency fund.
kinwing
post Feb 27 2013, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(poolcarpet @ Feb 27 2013, 09:26 AM)
The IBBM pdf explains it all, also do check out your own car hire purchase documents. In one of the documentation (normally the carbon copy one), you will see details of the loan, total amount, and most important of all the APR. That is the true cost of that loan... not the simple flat rate interest.

Very simple scenario you can imagine, if you have RM100,000 and you want to buy a car - they are offering flat rate interest of 2.5%. Sounds like a good deal, instead of paying cash for the car, take the loan and with the RM100k, put in FD earning 3.05% interest. In the end you make money still cause car loan only 2.5% but FD 3.05%, right?

Wrong. If you calculate properly (remember you need to withdraw the loan installment amount from the 100k FD every month to repay the car loan) you will see that you actually lose money so how can that be? It's because the interest rate quoted is not the same (like talking mm vs cm) and the 2.5% is actually about 4.5% APR which is more than the FD 3.05%. (Again, IBBM pdf has all the explanation and details, but for simple quick calculation, flat rate x 1.85 would give you the rough APR.)

Go check out your own car hire purchase documents and you will see. Here's an example... flat rate 4.4% but in actual fact it's actually APR 8.19%
I don't understand what you said lah.

To be more precise, Effective Rate > Flat Rate is due to time value of money.

I have posted a simple illustration below in my previous thread to explain the difference between flat rate and effective rate .

Never trust the bank's marketing pitch

This post has been edited by kinwing: Feb 27 2013, 01:16 PM
kinwing
post Feb 27 2013, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(poolcarpet @ Feb 27 2013, 03:46 PM)
your example is the same thing lah... they offer you loan at 4.xx% (like car loan) but as you've calculated it's effective rate 9.xx%.

same goes for car loan... exact same principle..
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I don't know if that the same bacause I do not understand your example rclxub.gif .
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post Feb 27 2013, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Feb 27 2013, 06:58 PM)
ya i understand wat u trying to say but wat the reason that make it like dat?
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Time value of money make it like that. That's mean RM1 today is worth more than RM1 tomorrow.

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