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visionlab
post Sep 26 2010, 04:08 PM


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Hi all,

I've decided to buy one of these car, by full payment (Cash).The age of these car is about the same, about 10 -15 years approximately...
Just want to ask sifu2 here about the comparison between this 2 cars in terms of:-

engine reliability
engine performance
fuel consumption
spare parts
maintenance cost

Thanks! biggrin.gif
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post Sep 26 2010, 04:19 PM


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As a previous owner of EG9, my choice would be the Honda as it did not give me problem.... engine reliable and powerful engine... just my 2 cents...
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post Sep 26 2010, 04:20 PM


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assuming both stock engine
engine reliability = toyota
engine performance = both
fuel consumption = toyota
spare parts = honda more aftermarket parts
maintenance cost = toyota

old toyota memang the best, unlike the new vios/altis doh.gif

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post Sep 26 2010, 04:21 PM


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hmm,toyota corrola can mod to 4AGE..vtec not bad too..i vote for honda

coz i am a user of SE too tongue.gif

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post Sep 26 2010, 04:22 PM


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The only EG to get is EG6.
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post Sep 26 2010, 04:24 PM


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AE111....hopefully u get the 1 moded to 4AGE or stock 4AGE Levin AE111
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post Sep 26 2010, 04:30 PM


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QUOTE(XionCity @ Sep 26 2010, 04:24 PM)
AE111....hopefully u get the 1 moded to 4AGE or stock 4AGE Levin AE111
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it's kinda a hard choice you no? tongue.gif

what if i'm choosing either one of the type but with stock engine?


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QUOTE(ReidenLing @ Sep 26 2010, 04:21 PM)
hmm,toyota corrola can mod to 4AGE..vtec not bad too..i vote for honda

coz i am a user of SE too tongue.gif
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hahaha..as you have been a user of SEG, mind to share your experience?which SEG is it?stock type or modded? blink.gif

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post Sep 26 2010, 04:42 PM


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Get a stock 2nd hand car. Use until the engine give problem, then drop in blacktop 6spd.

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post Sep 26 2010, 04:54 PM


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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Sep 26 2010, 04:42 PM)
Get a stock 2nd hand car. Use until the engine give problem, then drop in blacktop 6spd.
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silvertop 20v more powerful smile.gif
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post Sep 26 2010, 05:30 PM


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QUOTE(xMika @ Sep 26 2010, 04:54 PM)
silvertop 20v more powerful smile.gif
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why do you say that? blacktop is 20v also you know. plus got 6spd trans.
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post Sep 26 2010, 05:30 PM


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Black top vvt comes with 6speed sliver top only comes with 5speed. I think if the owner wants to marry the 6speeder transmission to the silver top he
will need to spend more money. I vote for black top also. Saw a video clip whereby the black top smokes b16a.
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post Sep 26 2010, 05:54 PM


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stock with stock, sure blacktop is more powerful...by 10hp.
but if modded, silvertop more powerful acually....can rev up to 11k rpms...honda vtec cnt...hahahaha
yep...the AE86 in initial D uses 4AGE ST 20V TRD Group A AE101 Levin engine....with 240HP@11k rpm


Added on September 26, 2010, 5:56 pmtapao EK9's n DC2's Type-R....haha
of coz la...coz that's skill

if for me, i definitely choose the turbocharged suzuki cappucino's engine xD

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post Sep 26 2010, 06:07 PM


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QUOTE(e30 @ Sep 26 2010, 05:30 PM)
why do you say that? blacktop is 20v also you know. plus got 6spd trans.
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read up
http://www.club4ag.com/


Added on September 26, 2010, 6:09 pmHere.

http://www.club4ag.com/faq_and_tech_pages/...cifications.htm


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QUOTE(XionCity @ Sep 26 2010, 05:54 PM)
stock with stock, sure blacktop is more powerful...by 10hp.
but if modded, silvertop more powerful acually....can rev up to 11k rpms...honda vtec cnt...hahahaha
yep...the AE86 in initial D uses 4AGE ST 20V TRD Group A AE101 Levin engine....with 240HP@11k rpm


Added on September 26, 2010, 5:56 pmtapao EK9's n DC2's Type-R....haha
of coz la...coz that's skill

if for me, i definitely choose the turbocharged suzuki cappucino's engine xD
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Group A engine where to find ohh rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(xMika @ Sep 26 2010, 06:07 PM)
read up
http://www.club4ag.com/


Added on September 26, 2010, 6:09 pmHere.

http://www.club4ag.com/faq_and_tech_pages/...cifications.htm


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Group A engine where to find ohh  rclxub.gif
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which of the 4A-GELU or 4A-GLEU is the blacktop/silvertop?
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post Sep 26 2010, 08:11 PM


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instead of using blacktop/silvertop engine, what if i just buy the SEG with stock engine?should there be any problems?
same to honda eg8, if just use with its stock engine?any problems?
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post Sep 26 2010, 08:19 PM


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no problem but those engine that they said gives alot of power for an 1.6L engine.. of course in malaysia u cant get those figure coz we only got RON97 at best and these engines need RON100 to comply..
same to all 4G92 MIVEC, B16A VTEC, 4A-GE Black/Silvertop, and Nissan SR16VE Neo-VVL
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post Sep 26 2010, 08:27 PM


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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Sep 26 2010, 08:19 PM)
no problem but those engine that they said gives alot of power for an 1.6L engine.. of course in malaysia u cant get those figure coz we only got RON97 at best and these engines need RON100 to comply..
same to all 4G92 MIVEC, B16A VTEC, 4A-GE Black/Silvertop, and Nissan SR16VE Neo-VVL
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it made think of having both of SEG and EG.. brows.gif
but only afford to have one of them liao... blush.gif

still haven't made up my decision yet..its kinda tough... sweat.gif
dun wan to regret later on.. whistling.gif
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post Sep 26 2010, 08:57 PM


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I would choose EG8 ... given that it has a B16A/B/C tongue.gif AE111 looks ah pek-ish ..
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Sep 26 2010, 08:19 PM)
no problem but those engine that they said gives alot of power for an 1.6L engine.. of course in malaysia u cant get those figure coz we only got RON97 at best and these engines need RON100 to comply..
same to all 4G92 MIVEC, B16A VTEC, 4A-GE Black/Silvertop, and Nissan SR16VE Neo-VVL
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this is correct, no matter how much hp those japan guys says, we'll never get 100% over here (except if u import the fuel yourself)

QUOTE(visionlab @ Sep 26 2010, 08:27 PM)
it made think of having both of SEG and EG.. brows.gif
but only afford to have one of them liao... blush.gif

still haven't made up my decision yet..its kinda tough... sweat.gif
dun wan to regret later on.. whistling.gif
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it's an easy decision, get seg if u r not planning to do heavy mods, eg if u want to mod kau kau
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post Sep 26 2010, 09:21 PM


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QUOTE(xMika @ Sep 26 2010, 08:57 PM)
I would choose EG8 ... given that it has a B16A/B/C tongue.gif AE111 looks ah pek-ish ..
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if EG8 with stock engine vs SEG with stock engine, which one u'll choose? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Sep 26 2010, 08:07 PM)
which of the 4A-GELU or 4A-GLEU is the blacktop/silvertop?
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GELU is silvertop, GLEU is blacktop


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QUOTE(visionlab @ Sep 26 2010, 09:21 PM)
if EG8 with stock engine vs SEG with stock engine, which one u'll choose? tongue.gif
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bro, any reason you are looking for an AE111 instead of AE101? the 101 is better looking IMO. the standard 4AFE is pretty saving on FC. no experience with hondas sorry.

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which year Ae111 interested?

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Wat a coincidense. I'm also considering these 2 together with 2 other models. Like u I'm definately no-no for mods (no silvertop, blacktop, 6-spd, B16, B18, big-V, small V etc). If ur comparing with the prefacelifted 96-98 AE111, here's some of my findings from my past 3mth homework.

Honda EG/SR
I'm more towards tis for looks. D no-grill front, low stance n unique door handles makes is different than others. Compared to d AE111, d interior both looks n is actually bigger although u'll sit lower. Wide area windows n low-flat design dashboard makes it look more airy also. Its main advantage is d handling (it remains as 1 of d best stock saloons without any electronic assistant). Boot is average wit a tigher entry due to boot lid design. Maintenance for d D16 is mechanically simple but stock parts can be a bit diffcult 2source n some might cost a bit more than Toyota. 3rd party/aftermarket parts r a lot for spare part, performance and half cut shops. Ur main issue is getting a well looked after unit coz its relatively a 'rice-boy' car. Watch out for worn engine and suspension bushes which happens to most Hondas. FC and power is comparable to AE111 4AFE.
+ looks
+ interior space
+ handling
- slightly higher maintenance than AE111 for parts
- more difficult to get nice virgin unit
- has more connecting parts esp suspension so b weary of worn rubber bushes

Toyota AE111 4AFE
My wife has a final gen. EE111 from 2000. Other than d engine, cosmetics, foldable rear seats n slightly thicker seats, its d same as d 1st gen AE111. On top of dull design, d interior is rather tight esp d rear. D earlier AE101 is slightly bigger n has more soft-touch finishing but d AE111 chassis is a bit more rigid even compared to d EG/SR. D AE111 is d 1st Corolla to hv R&D cost slashed during d 90s economic downturn so finishing is more 'lasting' but still very well put together. D corolla is a better drive in d city n short distance due to its shorter gearing ratio n lower available power than d more engaging Civic. Mechanically its very easy to service wit easily available parts. As said by some forummers, tis is a very potential car due to all independant suspension n plug-n-play 4AGEs. Used units r likely to hv higher milleage than Civic having served as family n company cars but should not hv any major issues. Keep an eye on leaking gaskets, irregular timing, n loose under body bushes as like most high milleage cars.
+ tough car
+ spare part availability
+ slightly better put together n lasting than Civic
- smaller interior
- looks
- plenty of cold hard plastics
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QUOTE(e30 @ Sep 26 2010, 11:50 PM)
GELU is silvertop, GLEU is blacktop


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bro, any reason you are looking for an AE111 instead of AE101? the 101 is better looking IMO. the standard 4AFE is pretty saving on FC. no experience with hondas sorry.
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but xMika claimed that silvertop gives more power but from the list he posted, i see the GELU is slightly less power than GLEU??
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Silvertop is more crude & sturdy. Blacktop is lightened and simplified. Hence the margin for error of Silvertop is more lenient and thus easier to mod. Therefore he meant Silvertop is more 'powerful'.

Other than that, Blacktop is more efficient as the VVT is engaged anytime full range, while the activate point for Silvertop is 4.5k rpm.

p/s: Comparing Silvertop with Backtop is almost the same as comparing L15A of previous City VTEC and current City i-VTEC.



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QUOTE(visionlab @ Sep 26 2010, 09:21 PM)
if EG8 with stock engine vs SEG with stock engine, which one u'll choose? tongue.gif
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D15B vs 4AFE ? I rather not buy them whistling.gif
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here's from a personal experience. currently on a Corolla AE101 with 4AGE 20v Blacktop (stock auto). went head-to-head drag recently with an EG8 B16A (stock auto) and smoked it by 1 car distance. i would call it a close race. reliability and parts availability/affordability-wise, vote goes to the AE111. performance-wise, close call. smile.gif
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QUOTE(teikwing @ Sep 28 2010, 11:28 PM)
here's from a personal experience. currently on a Corolla AE101 with 4AGE 20v Blacktop (stock auto). went head-to-head drag recently with an EG8 B16A (stock auto) and smoked it by 1 car distance. i would call it a close race. reliability and parts availability/affordability-wise, vote goes to the AE111. performance-wise, close call. smile.gif
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In a drag race, many factors that will affect the outcomes ... driver's reaction time, rim size, car weight, driver's weight etc ... not solely rely on the engine performance only, you guys also know de la brows.gif
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QUOTE(xMika @ Sep 26 2010, 07:07 PM)
Group A engine where to find ohh  rclxub.gif
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Ask TRD...mayb they are gd enuf 2 create another 1 for u tongue.gif
then brows.gif fishing hondas........let them cry.gif and we rclxm9.gif

i currently owns a AE101 1992 1.6L SEG Manual. wanna let it go. but the price nid ask my dad.
everything stock.....
4AFE engine
Moded :
4AGE 20V BT AE111 Levin ECU(not believe but is true)
Headers(extractor)till exhaust ...full exhaust mod. 2''

so, consider my car quite makan minyak, but powerful(in 4AFE NA with little mod) i think output of 12x-13xBHP
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QUOTE(XionCity @ Sep 29 2010, 01:30 AM)
Ask TRD...mayb they are gd enuf 2 create another 1 for u  tongue.gif 
then  brows.gif  fishing hondas........let them  cry.gif and we  rclxm9.gif

i currently owns a AE101 1992 1.6L SEG Manual. wanna let it go. but the price nid ask my dad.
everything stock.....
4AFE engine
Moded :
4AGE 20V BT AE111 Levin ECU(not believe but is true)
Headers(extractor)till exhaust ...full exhaust mod. 2''

so, consider my car quite makan minyak, but powerful(in 4AFE NA with little mod) i think output of 12x-13xBHP
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My stock 3SFE also 140hp already whistling.gif jdm spec la of course ..
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what is the original engine for AE111?
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4AFE 1600cc EFI (105bhp on paper)
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Hey,
Just a friendly opinion on these two great cars, in the end it really depends on what you really want in the car, the Toyota family has been known for their engine, their engines can take much abuse and revving, the Honda may have the upper hand with Vtec but it really all ends in tuning of the ECU. Hondata is famous for the Honda cars whilst Toyota may have more options.

Engine wise as I said, Toyota's are known to take heaps abusing e.g: Supra, Starlet, Corolla.
As for fuel consumption, I think it's pretty much similar and it also depends on how you drive it, redlining the rev-meter will not help at all in fuel consumption laugh.gif this i know in my car tongue.gif .
Anyways, spare parts for the Honda is cheaper than AE111 for what I can say because we don't get much AE111's in Australia.
Maintenance for these two cars, well it actually depends how often you service your car and what you put in your car is very important such as fuel and engine oil. I think the maintenance of these 2 great cars are I think pretty much the same. Keep your car healthy and you can save much on other mechanical issues in the long run.

Anyways in the end, two very similar cars, 2 great cars, as for my opinion, go out there and test drive these 2 cars, give it a good test drive and feel which one is more comfortable, and i'm not talking about feeling comfy when you rev it hardout and start drifting it, think about the most common things like parking, braking, turning ratio, radio, speaker, anything that makes your life easier on the road especially stuck in the traffic conditions in Malaysia shakehead.gif

Anyways hope this helps buddy, have a great one.

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how much does a first hand honda eg8 cost in 1994 when it first launched?
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So anyone got your Corolla or Civic already? hahaaa... rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(meon55 @ Sep 26 2010, 04:19 PM)
As a previous owner of EG9, my choice would be the Honda as it did not give me problem.... engine reliable and powerful engine... just my 2 cents...
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wow lucky you. my previous eg6 had tons of problem after it first started to overheat.
and after a lot of talks with eg`s owner they also complaint on the overheating problem.
although i must say the DRVING EXPERIENCE is really nice. but tired of meeting uncle woksop.

QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Sep 26 2010, 04:20 PM)
assuming both stock engine
engine reliability = toyota
engine performance = both
fuel consumption = toyota
spare parts = honda more aftermarket parts
maintenance cost = toyota

old toyota memang the best, unlike the new vios/altis doh.gif
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toyota SEG is really good i guess. even toyota salesman concur to the idea.
they even said latest vios/altis is nothing compared to previous gen car.
but mind telling me whats wrong with the vios/altis????
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Sep 26 2010, 04:20 PM)
assuming both stock engine
engine reliability = toyota
engine performance = both
fuel consumption = toyota
spare parts = honda more aftermarket parts
maintenance cost = toyota

old toyota memang the best, unlike the new vios/altis doh.gif
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agreed... the new vios dugong and g10 altis a lot of interior noise issue.

i would go for SEG
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AE111 SEG is the robot back square lamp model.
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The final SE AE111 is semi eliptical lights one.
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But the best is AE101 SEG. But the car is older.
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So which AE111 is that? The best is AE101. It is over engineered and over reliable. AE111 acually falters in sales and design rather than reliabilty. U do get better engine mileage with the AE111 than the AE101 because of emmission controls. The problem u will have now for these cars is, INSURANCE rather than repayment. Honda parts are always more expensive than Toyota somehow. Its either there is no one taking them in or the focus for high performance honda engines overshadow the normal ones that causes the price problems.

if u do not bother about mods and such, the Toyota is the choice. Usual inspection rules apply to buying second hand cars even no matter how reliable Toyota is. Its better to check throughly. Good luck. Actually for the money, i would rather be paying for a 1.4L Ford Fiesta.
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Bro , just think of the VTEC Power .. PRAAGGGGGG !!~~~

However , Ae111 can easily source in the market ?
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