amazing to see only 2 fans saying this...
amazing to see all liverpool fans asking for their manager's head..after only 6 games
u guys a simply amazing..


im behind the team the manager the players..through good and bad times..
keeping the faith..still believing..still hoping..
YNFWA

one of the reason tat our backs are tat back is because the back 4 wanted to put their name into the score sheet and left the defence wif gaping hole during counter attack by the opponent

they are slow and inaccurate when coming back for defensive work, they made Reina look BAD

2 overate attaking LB
1 aging CB
1 so-so CB

no wonder concede 2 goal at home

personally i dont like the way RH is handling our current dip in form.
he doesnt seem to suit liverpool. it doesnt mean he's bad. it just means he isnt good enough.

sorry mate, gotta disagree with you, respectfully...

i think those fans (myself included) are not seeing any positive football after 6 games..be it against United, small clubs or midtable clubs, the tactics are just appalling, the passing .... disgusting, the movements, slow and lumbering...

almost everyone welcomed Roy when he stepped in....(despite their doubts over his track record...)..but after a series of inept displays, its not surprising to see people calling for his head...

standing behind the club is quite different from standing behind a manager of a series of clueless displays...

This post has been edited by nando: Sep 27 2010, 09:02 AM

I think Joe Cole does better when he plays in the middle behind Torres. Maybe he and Kuyt can switch places around during the match, to confuse opponents?

joe cole + stevie behind torres is the best, just like what bayern did, robben and ribery behind their main striker

too many rubbish in the team

It is the tactic and formation play issue.
I believe this is instruction given. Just my guess.

When you play Poulsen+Lucas, aka 2 known for defensive duty and Kyut/Cole on the RM/LM, obviously there is no winger system play, so it rely on fullback to provide the width through fullback overlapping and Poulsen or Lucas as cover for them. It is more a like a 4-2-3-1 system, or a make shift of 4-5-1, with more central playing system only, which lack of width through midfield.
It is good in theory, but practically until now, leave lot of space of opponent to attack through the width area. It is always difficult for defenders, if opponent keep on attack through the flank that with pace.
The best defend is bombard opponent goal and control the match and match tempo through your midfield. If keep on let oppponent bombard your goal, no matter what top class defender you have, it is matter of time of conceding only.
Since the season start, apart of every match's of 15-20 min period, the rest of time, Liv just let opponent to attack without taking control of the situation.
That's why I said it had been an awful/fearful experience for supporters to watch every live game telecast. As you know there is always high chance conceded a goal or 2.

This post has been edited by cherroy: Sep 27 2010, 10:41 AM

Exactly. We have similar problem also at Arsenal, where our fullbacks are exposed all the time, as evident by our loss to WBA last weekend.

I'm not sure about the stats in the Liverpool game, but Arsenal had almost 65% possession and still lost. This means, that its not about how Arsenal got bombarded, but rather how Arsenal got sucker punched on the counter attack.

Your part about bombard opponent goal and control the match is easier said than done though. I would think it would be better for teams playing this formation to defend from the front and break up play in midfield when possession is lost.

The DMs play a vital role in this, as you pointed out rightfully. There needs to be proper discipline in tracking back by the wingers as well.

After 6 matches played, the top 4 position is taking shape, while Liv is on relegation fight in 16th.

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Added on September 27, 2010, 10:54 amYour Arsenal situation is not that worry. Sucker punch does happen occassionally, sometime due to luck factor as well.
But as long as you are controlling the match, and always probing opponent goal, and have idea how to open up opponent defence, then still ok.

But currently once Liv has possession, they have no idea on the ball in general, except a few players like Gerrard and Torres only. They only passed around defender and midfield, which give a lot of time to opponent defender to prepare themselves and reposition back. Then it becomes very difficult for you to penetrate opponent once they get ready, while on your side, there is little off the ball running that create space for themselves and midfield to pass the ball.

Goal created, a lot of time due to off the ball running by players which open up opponent defence.

This post has been edited by cherroy: Sep 27 2010, 10:54 AM

Well I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's going to be a turbulant could of seasons at least until the ownership issue is sorted and even then, the team will take time to rebuild itself again. Hodgson did do a good job with Fulham no doubt. He made them tough to beat especially at home. The problem is they went out not to lose games rather than to win them. I just think it's a little confusing sometimes. If we are going to play 2 up front, it should indicate that we want to go for the win, but then you instruct both Poulsen and Lucas to stay behind the half way line, leaving the forward players with very little support. The only option is to boot the ball up to them which is exactly what pissed Agger off, leading to his criticism of our tactics.

yes. Arsenal situation is way better than ours. the WBA defeat was freakish, although i do think you need a better keeper. But it doesnt take much for the team and Nasri to create 2 quick goals.

Liverpool is really finding it difficult to pull together 3-4 passes. the final penetrating pass releasing an attacker to try and score is evidently missing.

That is why i find it tough to accept call to give Roy more time. If there's no one available that we can afford at moment, i can understand. But if we can afford someone out there who has history of more positive football, i would like the board to make a change.

Our football is very very difficult to bear at moment.

Something is wrong when you are not sure if a team with Gerrard, Cole or Torres can win or even score when you're playing Sunderland or Blackpool...



This post has been edited by nando: Sep 27 2010, 01:05 PM

should try and play 4-4-2, when they put on ngog we played much much better and controlled the game...

somehow torres seems lazy and lack the desire to play

well, this have been a problem since forever.. the team need a natural width player on either side. kuyt and cole always cut inside and it became very apparent in Sunderland game where most attacks came from the middle and very easy to read and to break down.

konchesky did defense and overlap with cole nicely before he's injured. while johnson did ok on the attacking but purely shite on the defensive role for many games now.

and gerrard sitting deep is not ok.. the team need his burst running and quick thinking to link up with the striker. i think meireles/lucas should be CM instead.

From the performance, and player form, Ngog deserve to start.

It is always bad man-management if somene performs very well, yet cannot get a start. If a player performs well, yet keep on being denied a starting place, it will only affect the player's confidence, future and development to be a much better player.

Sometimes, Torres looks too frustate which affecting his performance as well. A cool mind is needed to perform at the top level.

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I do believe there are buyers out there for a club like Liverpool, but the main issue is always the price tag.

lets get a grip on the reality here

this is just no good. a team with such big names as us shouldnt be grasping for air like we did 6 games into the season

if a manager cant get results with gerrard, torres, and some other considerable names, then the manager is no good, period.

to me by october when we sort out our ownership problems, we should be thinking about the next manager

sadly mourinho is not available. some of you guys are gonna shoot me, its pointless talk, but its exactly the kind of manager we need in our situation now

bring back King Kenny, the realistic, and logical choice. RH just dont cut it, sorry

is hiddink available?

This post has been edited by Petre: Sep 27 2010, 04:30 PM

Manuel Pellegrini?

This post has been edited by normeck: Sep 27 2010, 04:35 PM