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 EMPIRE CITY @ Damansara Perdana/Mutiara Damansara, Mixed Development Project in Damasara KL

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icemanfx
post Mar 22 2016, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 22 2016, 11:47 AM)
The news says Ambank can salvage some thing back from Empire City even if it has to write off the loan,  assuming somebody will still eventually take the project to completion.
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QUOTE(butthead76 @ Mar 22 2016, 11:51 AM)
Mostly like if end up incomplete, end financier for project will take over and nego with owner to top up a little so that a new contractor will be hired to complete it.

This happened to Rhythm Avenue in USJ which Ambank did it this way. So fingers cross for all EC owners. Good luck.
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VPd unit loan is draw downed fully. Where to find $ to complete unless from buyers/owners. Beside uncompleted works, what about payment to existing contractors and suppliers?

If the shopping mall is not sold, Ambank may able to recover a portion of their loan. Doubt Ambank will have any interest on VPd units.

If architect is in house; QS, M&E consultants, etc are likely be inhouse also. To obtain ccc, will need their approvals, mean opportunity for developer's 2nd harvest.


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post Mar 22 2016, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(butthead76 @ Mar 22 2016, 02:00 PM)
Ambank gave additional loan to each owners for the extra cost incurred to complete the property.
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Provided all owners/buyers agreed to take on additional liability, ambank is the end financier to all owners/buyers and ambank agreed to grant them additional facility.

Until buyer/borrower defaulted, vpd unit is currently on the good book and is not bank's concern. in the event of default, it would be just another foreclosure case. ambank has no obligation, duty or interest to extend further facility to vpd units.

It is a mess unlikely to resolve easily or soon.

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post Mar 22 2016, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(1ullaby @ Mar 22 2016, 02:25 PM)
MEH really wtf. No financial crisis in the country, sold out project, one sided spa, early drawdowns from the bank, still cannot finish the project ah??

Management sucks to the max top to bottom
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"Party of the century" cost multi million $ to organize, where you think this $ come from? "Party of the century" was publicized, what about those private events and perks?

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post Mar 22 2016, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(Informationiac @ Mar 22 2016, 07:18 PM)
http://www.vpcpjproperty.com.my/property/3789

how could people still put conditions as "excellent" to sell...

http://www.malaysiarealestate.com.my/listi...rSale-3731744-S

the picture looks nice. but.. if you look out the window...
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How many people will buy? How many bank will take unit/building without ccc as collateral?

QUOTE(Informationiac @ Mar 22 2016, 09:38 PM)
How likely MEH is going to abandon? Last I heard they got no money, then suddenly got gossip say they will get funding.
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Unless receiver is appointed, doubt bank will extend new facility to them to complete the project.


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post Mar 23 2016, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(Informationiac @ Mar 22 2016, 11:59 PM)
So it is like testing holding power. those bulk purchase investors with many commitment sure very tough for them.. ohmy.gif
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Those bulk purchase investors are mostly if not all have made $ from property flipping years ago, have silver and gold mountain backing. To them, the longer they hold, the higher the asking price will be, is the last of anyone concern.

By the time they sell their first unit, may be just in time for their waiting list watch to arrive else they need to pay above list price for the watch.

jolokia correct or not?

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post Mar 23 2016, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Mar 21 2016, 06:46 AM)
Many people who invested a property or two in 2008/2009 has made X+1m. The profit from 7-8 years alone can buy 2 of the 5930G with spare cash for first class trip to Switzerland, maybe collect the watch from there  biggrin.gif

From a person who missed the boat, of course it sounds sour grape  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(aromachong @ Mar 21 2016, 11:34 PM)
if u sincere sure i can help u.. as long as u have spirit and sincere buy property for own use why not we help u? many of forumers here dai kor are helping u too.. thats what make u change ur mind from DDD to UUU, right?

so if u want to learn from legal perspective .. sure.. everyone learn from experiences.. nobody is perfect in the first place without learning.. even professional still learning thats what i can say

i know FD 4.5%... BR can offer up to 5% for >1 million .. more than 5-10 millions can nego.. same apply to OCBC with PIDM protection

so the choice is up to u.. if u re short of 200k i have no prob to borrow u at 3.9% but with TNC gonna do it in legal ways with black and white documents supporte

u think east think west first..no hurries make a wise decision for urself since bank decline u.. we still will help u dont worry !

so join us and be part of UUU.. welcome abroad !
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Mar 22 2016, 06:53 AM)
bearbearwong

No need to ask bank. I help u pay cashi. Loan to u 1.5% per mth. Title write my name. Til u repay. U hav no risk. If u no confidence in tat house u just let go without any expenses. 

If u really so likey after dunno how many yrs then the onli thg u need to do is repay with fully with mthly 1.5% interest on principal left. Easy job.

Let me know when u need the fund. We show dev the bear is no play play type. bruce.gif
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Mar 23 2016, 08:59 AM)
U think ah?

Most investors i know they have 4 holes but only got 2-3 lids to cover nia....

Yes they do look good from outside..with flashy car and watch and mobile phones....

Do u know how highly geared they are?
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May be you haven't meet cash rich investor like [showtime747], [zukoi407], [jliew168], [tigerr], [aromachong], [manutdgiggs], [jolokia]

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post Mar 23 2016, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(bb68 @ Mar 23 2016, 11:44 PM)
The title tells it all. Empire city is facing financial constraint and having problem repaying the 900mil loan to Ambank. Ambank's stock price fell due to exposure of bad debt.
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This could be the tipping point for banks to reduce exposure to developers and new launch buyers.

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post Mar 24 2016, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(MrHunter @ Mar 24 2016, 12:09 AM)
Empire City is too big to fail. If it is really abandon, it ll be super eyesore to PJ. Hope it wont happen as thousands of innocent buyers there. Saw workers there the other day though not many.
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Ambank RM900m exposure to meh is less than 2% of its assets, it is not too big to fail.

As there is no more loan draw down from vpd units, meh is unlikely to put any priority in this area.

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post Mar 25 2016, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(westthen @ Mar 25 2016, 12:26 PM)
actually all the buildings are 70-80% done...why can't they finish 1 by 1 like that at least got ppl come in then got value then at least will attract more investor
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How do you close 10 pots with 9 covers?

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post Mar 26 2016, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(lch78 @ Mar 26 2016, 09:17 AM)
Mainstream media finally pick up the stir from internet..

http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...in-empire-city/
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 26 2016, 09:25 AM)
really slow doh.gif
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Could mean meh hasn't advertise for quite sometime or don't have budget to advertise for next few months.

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post Mar 26 2016, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(Miracles @ Mar 26 2016, 10:08 AM)
They ain't doing fine. Heard from insider.

Good luck everyone
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Did they tell you they have maxd out their facilities at a few banks?

QUOTE(nookie188 @ Mar 26 2016, 10:31 AM)
ya essentially - they said everything they did is covered under the S&P so what talk you? biggrin.gif

well let us see then if the CCC is released in 2 weeks as per article ...hope they keep to their promise

The thing about MMH developments is that the concept is actually to me quite impressive but execution wise is lacking.
I think not detail oriented enough and does not deliver a  value product to purchasers. For eg, yes, you can take your sweet time to
finish the mall but do you not consider what this would impact on the other aspects of the development?  If you screw your buyers
chances are good that they wont return to buy your future  products..
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With residential completed first ensure ready demand for f&b at malls. Mall tenants is reoccurring income and units vpd don't bring any income.

If $ could be made and discount given to existing buyers, many will still buy.

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post Mar 26 2016, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(Miracles @ Mar 26 2016, 10:59 AM)
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It's a ticking time bomb  :lol2:
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If they could find a REIT to take over the mall, meh will be left with a truck load of gold. The tussle is to convince banks to extend additional funding to complete the mall.

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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Mar 26 2016, 11:13 AM)
The developer did not answer why there is a special handover clause in SPA to protect itself from LAD but can screw buyers kao kao
all explained was "we cannot carry this 'baby' forever"....so buyers kena raped and now pregnant with the baby which is too late for abortion
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That was between willing buyer and willing seller, consesus adults, nothing illegal and no case in Court.

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QUOTE(bat11 @ Mar 26 2016, 05:18 PM)
I feel lucky for not going into tis project. Last time really tempted and now think about it..... consider lucky. I think this kind of developer should be boycott...
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If $ could be made and special discount for existing buyers, many will still buy.

QUOTE(aspartame @ Mar 26 2016, 06:29 PM)
I thought the message given by MEH was quite encouraging. They mention CCC to be issued in 2 weeks time. Maybe everyone is overreacting here? Given a little bit more time, I think MEH should be able to deliver. They sound pretty confident to me. Normally people who are about to abandon ship do not even care to come out to make such statements.
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The mall is the jewel of the crown, abandon is the last thing in their mind.

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post Mar 27 2016, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(Kenleo @ Mar 27 2016, 09:57 AM)
After vped .owner do not have right to enter unit freely or some cannot get key also.
Surprisingly how Paris Hilton concert on without VP or cf. Fortunately not un expected accident or everybody die without proper claims.
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The concert was a private event. If the bosses could attend mean is safe.

QUOTE(bigmamma @ Mar 27 2016, 07:13 AM)
Instead of getting Paris Hilton to come, they should just invite Gurmit Singh, Harith Iskandar and Joanne Kam to perform LAUGH DIE YOU 3 at the venue. After more than 6 months, defects still not done and keys not returned to owners and some more started to collect maintenance fees are reasonable to a so called reputable and want to be around developer, really laugh die you. If all developers behave like them and still think they are right, Lok luck to property industry in Malaysia..  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
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The concert is for bosses entertainment not buyers.

QUOTE(soitsuagain @ Mar 27 2016, 09:03 AM)
Hahaha EC is such a big project still not enough...want to rush EC2. Why not complete EC that inspired confidence on people to buy EC2. But no already want to built EC2. First time I see a developer like the land will go away if they don't built a structure on it  sweat.gif
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Ec units vpd, no more milk to squeeze, time to move to new cow.

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QUOTE(HarpArtist @ Mar 27 2016, 08:25 PM)
meh upper staff even boasted to me that their boss is soon to be richest man in malaysia. ranting.gif ha. ha. ha.
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Bosses are rich but company is poor is not uncommon in this country.

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 27 2016, 08:37 PM)
Meh really have cash flow problem now doh.gif donno how long they can hold on tongue.gif
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Ambank with over rm700m exposure is likely to extend more facility to meh to complete the project.

QUOTE(westthen @ Mar 27 2016, 09:17 PM)
walau the director sound very lansi lol...
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They are successful and never had any failure, natural for them to have this attitude.


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post Mar 27 2016, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(Informationiac @ Mar 27 2016, 10:26 PM)
They admit they have cash challenging issue, just like Genting on the movie theme park case
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/money/ar...git-report-says

And with this kind of lansi comeback to the people, it makes me blood boil. I do hope they stop compromising the quality and focus on completing.
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Genting don't have cash flow issue. Comparing Genting with meh is laughable, mean meh is in serious cash flow trouble.

Units VP mean work done and completed. What to compromise?

QUOTE(Takuro82 @ Mar 27 2016, 11:06 PM)
just pray for the best. Else it will trigger chain of bad effect on current already not so ok market
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It is about time for lansi developers and investors to come back to the earth.

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QUOTE(satrianeo-x @ Mar 29 2016, 04:03 PM)
Could it be due to complications in name transfer etc due to said CCC? Would like to learn. Will it be because of prev loan or CCC issues during process or sale?
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Which bank or their lawyer would sign off unit without ccc?

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post Mar 30 2016, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Mar 30 2016, 08:32 AM)
i think ec will be completed lah.
just scared internally a lot of cost cutting and short cut.
a case of too big to fail and too late to fail. visually, it looks almost there.
the last push would indeed be difficult coupled with many saboteurs (maybe suppliers and contractors who did not received payment).
hope they do.
we shall find out in a year or so.
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6 towers vpd, are completed.

Only their mall is work in progress, has nothing to do with buyer.

QUOTE(propertybbb @ Mar 30 2016, 11:24 AM)
Already there is auction unit. Confirmed no bidder last round, it will be another round of auction with lower price.
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Where are the bbb? if they don't support the market, it may have negative impact on their holding.

Will subsequent auction sale (of other foreclosure units) start with lowered price?

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post Mar 30 2016, 08:36 PM

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Npl at local banks has increased by double digit %, wonder how much is going to contribute by ec.

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