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 EMPIRE CITY @ Damansara Perdana/Mutiara Damansara, Mixed Development Project in Damasara KL

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post Mar 4 2016, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(RTFM69 @ Mar 4 2016, 02:32 AM)
Having a lower expectation because can make $ =ok to be screwed by unethical business ethic ?

No wonder some developers are so blatant.
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QUOTE(HarpArtist @ Mar 4 2016, 06:26 AM)
because got investors like this say oh anything is ok as long as can make money. i can accept anything as long as bottom line is there...is living bending over and inviting the developer to run over them...
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QUOTE(gks @ Mar 4 2016, 10:55 AM)
MEH's SPA is one of the most looped SPA even if compared to commercial SPA from other developers.

Any lawyers worth their salt will advise their clients against signing the SPA.

But I am sure that there are other considerations for these buyers to plunge their hard-earned money into MEH's project.

Then again, many buyers never bother to read through the SPA. Sign first, think later mentality.
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Many are blinded by greed; it seems EC is for flipping purpose only, pity those who bought for own stay.

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post Mar 4 2016, 02:45 PM

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The show will start when buyer/borrower commence loan repayment.

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post Mar 12 2016, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(Informationiac @ Mar 12 2016, 12:22 PM)
In fact the college kids are working part time as car shows models and freelance. i dont mind if the tenancy agreement have invitation for me lol.. tongue.gif
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If you are a landlord, you could insert such clause in your tenancy agreement.

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post Mar 12 2016, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(mister_giam @ Mar 12 2016, 02:38 PM)
want to ask the forum taiko here  blink.gif  blink.gif  blink.gif    during handover, can a purchaser refuse to receive the handover due to the serious defects?

if yes. if the unit yet to handover, purchaser can refuse to pay for management fees?
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In some contract, if buyers didn't take over 2 weeks after developers letter is deemed delivered by default.

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post Mar 14 2016, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Mar 14 2016, 09:45 AM)
MEH likely to receive many lawsuits for poor quality, many safety violations or legal non compliances

I will not surprise if this co goes bust or bankrupt soon to get itself out of this mother of all mess
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Won't be surprise, the SO who signed the ccc is either a rookie or at retire age.

If ccc is signed by architect or SO mean the developer has fulfilled his contractual obligation. Any issue will fall under defect liability.

Most if not all projects are developed by a subsidiary of developers. Nothing will happen to the developer holding company.

If the developer i.e subsidiary company is bankrupted before strata title is issued, owners/buyers will be hang. Hence, it is owners/buyers interest to keep the developer alive.


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post Mar 15 2016, 12:00 AM

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Borrower/buyer commence loan repayment the month after property vp. believe many are flippers or bought to rent. those had a year reserve for loan repayment may soon depleted, and if this untenantable condition doesn't improve soon, could start a domino effect on kv property market.

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post Mar 15 2016, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(Salvador_Dali @ Mar 15 2016, 01:10 PM)
I bet most are speculators,
they goreng the price so high, causes most Malaysians to sufffer,
now they suffer a little bit bising bising.

Welcome to the none-speculator club.
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QUOTE(v88 @ Mar 15 2016, 01:18 PM)
They are innocent speculators....who in property investment dont wanna make profit in return?
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These speculators have gold and silver mountain backing, the longer the delay, the higher the price will be. As these units have vp, mean loan repayment has commenced, only those over stretched with limited reserve would make noise.


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post Mar 15 2016, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(Salvador_Dali @ Mar 15 2016, 01:46 PM)
Yes, gold silver mountain backing from their previous profit via speculation.
Yes, property price will always go up
Yes, property speculation is good for the economy
Yes, I've heard it all, attended so many property forums and talks.

If property speculation is good for the economy, gov should just pass a law and add three 0 on all properties in Malaysia, overnight we are a first world income country already.

Ok, I won't reply anymore. I am off topic. Sorry.

Anyway, this Empire company doesnt have a good reputation.
Remember the gas blast in Subang Empire? Lucky no one died and it happened late in the night.

For those stucked with an almost abandonned unit, I hope you guys the best and the project doesn't goes kaput. quickly find a sucker to buy up your unit, pass the buck to an old lady and tell her it is a good investment. Take care of your pocket first. Good luck.
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Yes, yes, yes, assets inflation create wealth effect, make people feel rich. That's why few gomen discourage assets inflation while it last. when the bubble burst, speculators and the gomen could always blame on someone else.

hearsay some banks have suspended drawdown to empire remix project. with limited cash flow, ec condition is unlikely to improve soon.

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QUOTE(Clement1001 @ Mar 15 2016, 02:45 PM)
I believe they are in very desperate situation in order to pass the key for incomplete building. No sound developer would dare to tarnish their reputation to this extend.
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QUOTE(hakamika @ Mar 15 2016, 01:53 PM)
MEH now act like jibby ..don't even care about the complaints, he do his own way to achieve what he want...Maybe MEH will tell you ..don't buy property because the developer name is MEH, think of how to make Empire City's future bright....hahaha
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Believe the liability is with the architect who issued ccc. as long the developer showed to rectify any defect during the defect liability period, they should be home free.

QUOTE(Giant @ Mar 15 2016, 02:14 PM)
if MEH unable to launch their next project in coming 12 months , and sell it like before, they cant cover the earlier holes anymore.  But their EMpire city mall & subang  stil worth alot of $$.
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There is a sucker born every minutes. With huge rebate, cash back, low entry cost, etc, for sure many will buy regardless.

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post Mar 15 2016, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(Salvador_Dali @ Mar 15 2016, 03:31 PM)
At the end of the day, everyone is protected except for the buyer.
Looking at the photos, is the unit habitable with electricity and water?
A lawyer will argue the unit is dirty and they forgot to clean up and have some defects.
Thus the architect sign off.

Posting photos on the web is not helping either, especially those desperate to dispose their unit to the next sucker. bad news snowballs and if the developer fails to secure more credit, the project might be abandon, who is the loser then? not the developer, they just start a new company - maybe - Galatic Empire Holding or Inter-galaxy Awesome Holdings.

Even if there is a court case, it will be 10 to 20 years long. By that time, some are dead, some migrated, making the case even harder to close.

Just pray they don't go bankrupt. Those that got these type of VP units, remember, you guys are in the same boat with the developer, they fall you fall.

p.s. I hope the property market collapse, thus making houses affordable to everyone, but speculators will curse me because I am the good guy, but they think they are the good guys because they vote DAP. cheers. am no BN supporter too.
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Believe most buyers/owners would have loan repayment in their mind rather than court case.

Developer has obtained ccc i.e fulfilled its contractual obligation, believe there won't be any case against them.

Most projects are developed by subsidiary company, holding company is not a party to the contract and is immune from court case.

Basically, buyers/owners could only sue the parties that issued ccc or some like to say; left high and dry.

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post Mar 16 2016, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(llika @ Mar 16 2016, 08:19 PM)
Auction Price RM 320,000
Auction Date 23-Mar-2016 (Wed)
Tenure Leasehold
Built Up 451 sq.ft
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Auction so soon after VP? Borrower didn't pay a single instalment? If this place is untenantable, believe more will be auctioned.

jolokia dead chicken is coming your way.

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QUOTE(b3ta @ Mar 17 2016, 09:59 PM)
Noob question but can they issue VP without CCC?

Doesn't make sense if they handover possession but property cannot enter since no CCC
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In spa, is ccc a condition precedent to VP? If not, there is nothing to stop VP before ccc. If buyers are unhappy, could contest in Court.


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post Mar 18 2016, 04:33 AM

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Believe many buyers are flippers, don't intend to stay. They will let go at the first opportunity. Hence, won't be interested to take any legal action against the developer.

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post Mar 18 2016, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(youknowwhoami @ Mar 18 2016, 10:58 AM)
From the day i start read it, 70% is just want to join the happening but has no balls like LIM
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They won't be called herd for nothing.

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post Mar 19 2016, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(debbierowe @ Mar 18 2016, 11:48 PM)
Wonder after this who would want to buy EC2 and the rest of the projects... But still, Malaysians mudah Lupa, if eventually they did plate everything and handover keys nicely and with that location, the property will appreciate more likely and also good rental , ppl will tend to rich for EC2 again...
Already got one spotted at iproperty at 320k , but who wants lol
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More like blinded by greed.

jolokia correct or not?


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post Mar 19 2016, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(RTFM69 @ Mar 19 2016, 06:38 PM)
The edge weekly carries the news that ambank top officials visited empire city recently. MEH have outstanding loan of RM 900 mio with Ambank. Now the big guys are worried too.
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Mean ambank is likely to extend additional facility or bridging loan to meh.

QUOTE(cannible @ Mar 19 2016, 07:01 PM)
Sign of liquidation
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If the account has passed to recovery department, the bank top officials are unlikely to visit the site.

With rm900m loan, the bank will treat this account with silk gloves.

Until papers is sorted, this place is unlikely to complete anytime soon.


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QUOTE(cannible @ Mar 19 2016, 07:33 PM)
Question is whether they are top officials or recovery personnel. Wonder why need police if they dont anticipate resistance?
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Were the presence of police related to bank official?

QUOTE(RTFM69 @ Mar 19 2016, 07:36 PM)
Extend additional facility would be like stepping further into the muddy field esp in current rising NPL environment. Ambank more like closing water tap mood now after bnm fine and major shareholders rumoured to be seeking buyers.
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Few banks will write off rm900m without restructuring. The question is how many times have ambank restructured meh facility.

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post Mar 20 2016, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(banker123 @ Mar 20 2016, 11:18 AM)
Being a banker i can tell you its unlikely the bank will extend more credit facilities without additional securities. Its more likely to get restructured. But i doubt ambank alone would loan rm900m. its probably done on club or syndicated basis secured against pledged properties or land. Secondly the banks management will have to do more visits once its its pass to remedial management.
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Developer's income is from loan draw down of sold units. Heard some banks have suspended drawdown on empire remix and draw down would have max out on vpd units. Even if the facilities are restructured, not sure would be enough. believe one of the issue is how to convince their suppliers and contractors, they will be paid and stop them from suing the developer. Believe the developer should be taken into receivership else there would be too many obstacle to complete the project.

Unless we have access to the account, we could only speculate.


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QUOTE(nookie188 @ Mar 20 2016, 01:23 PM)
still no news as to when CCC will be out for those VPed units?

already 9 months for the first batch?
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QUOTE(Fatty wong @ Mar 20 2016, 03:34 PM)
Non buyer enter wrong EC block E floor, and make hooha comments and posted non completed hotel suites to Facebook. biggrin.gif 

From day 1, Most buyers are aware that this project would be cowboy style of management. They wouldn't deliver 5 star of property. I would said 5 star building design concept, 2 star quality. Btw, no developer can undertook 23 acre commercial development in one phase.

Based on clause 24.1 of spa, developer is deliver vacant possession of the parcel to buyers. It mean, they only deliver completed unit to you without ccc. They would apply ccc at later stage, based on clause 25 of spa.
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Those bought to flip and have limited reserve will soon be exhausted if not already. Expect foreclosure sale by year end.

QUOTE(Fatty wong @ Mar 20 2016, 03:34 PM)
From day 1, Most buyers are aware that this project would be cowboy style of management. They wouldn't deliver 5 star of property. I would said 5 star building design concept, 2 star quality. Btw, no developer can undertook 23 acre commercial development in one phase.

Based on clause 24.1 of spa, developer is deliver vacant possession of the parcel to buyers. It mean, they only deliver completed unit to you without ccc. They would apply ccc at later stage, based on clause 25 of spa.
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Based on the above, buyers would have no case against the developer but to service bank loan diligently.

Some liked to claim if there is no risk, there is no gain. They profited from flipping because they took the risk. Hope they had this risk covered.



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post Mar 20 2016, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(Fatty wong @ Mar 20 2016, 04:22 PM)
I'm one of EC buyers, and said my view.

There is no risk, no gain for most of malaysia property project.

I understood some tailors make bad comments on Empire Subang, later bought sub sale SOHO and make tone of money. rclxms.gif

With current economy environment and soft market, buyers need holding power to sustain.
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QUOTE(Fatty wong @ Mar 20 2016, 05:03 PM)
Assumed developer is launching 250sf miki mouse house unit for EC2 with rm500psf, I think EC buyers would forgot his/her bad experience and Q for it.
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Many are blinded by greed like those Geneva gold investors.

jolokia you missed the empire subang boat.

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