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post Oct 14 2010, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(evilhomura89 @ Oct 14 2010, 09:51 PM)
the price is still better than the micro four third video camera AG-AF100 @ US$5k
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/14/panason...5-price-for-ag/
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In terms of sensor I have to agree NEX-VG10 has bigger sensor but in terms for professional features and add ons these Panasonic camera has more offer for serious work + the sensor it self has no aliasing issue and has built-in rolling shutter + flash correction



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post Oct 14 2010, 11:05 PM

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Some shots of skating, still experiment the angles and also colors ... :]

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post Oct 14 2010, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(albnok @ Oct 14 2010, 11:14 PM)
wingster: Would've liked #2 done in a way that the ramp aligns to the bottom of the picture so it looks like he's jumping up.
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I think is quite hard for me to catch up as they move quite fast, also need to fix shutter speed is fast to avoid motion blur + bright aperture to avoid under expose >.< .... I'm all done it by 50mm Macro lens ...
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post Oct 14 2010, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(evilhomura89 @ Oct 14 2010, 11:34 PM)
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IMO, the colour too cold...
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Thanks for the feedback, I'm trying the color mood and I this is my first try of "lomo blue" effect, green + blue strong out

Another output in vertical form, need to study some photographer prints as well... like Chase Jarvis (but still cant get the angle and idea all the time :/)

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post Oct 15 2010, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Oct 15 2010, 12:09 AM)
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can try panning~ icon_idea.gif
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With barehand keh? I think not guah tongue.gif .... if tripod also not possible because my new tripod died last week
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post Oct 15 2010, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(shootkk @ Oct 15 2010, 08:48 AM)
I think that videography using DSLR will still only remain in the realm of amateurs and wannabes. There are dedicated pro video cams out there that is suited a thousand time better to capture video compared to a video DSLR. I do not think that the DSLR is a good platform to take video. It's all just a marketing gimmick.

You may see video cams evolving in future and ultimately have large sensors and what not but they will remain video cams. Still cams will remain still cams. The 2 discipline do not mix well. A videographer have to think differently than a photographer in order to get good video footage. Video is about catching motion and presenting them well. Photo is about freezing a moment in time. Quite the polar opposite to me.
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They already have large sensor video camera but problem is it is really expensive + it is extremely heavy

Video DSLR is not just a gimmeick, a lots of industrial has been using it as a secondary filming production tools because it is lighter than APS-C or 35mm film cameras + it is easy to carry and go.

I have listen some talk who actually using Video DSLR for productions and I do a lots of research and it proves that the importance. Canon DSLR had made it successful way and a lots of cinematographers or videographers likely interest on it mainly because of budget and light + portable.

I know a lots of people would say still camera just for stills but video DSLR has slowly make it another side towards filming, it might not have many technical features like XLR cables, ND filters and so on. However it has basic requirements that videographers and cinematographer wants + the restriction they understand + acceptable, in addition the price is 10 times cheaper than the RED cameras or a 35mm film cameras.

In western country there a lots of video equipment + primes specially made for video DSLR take Zacuto as an example, it just not so popular here

Sony NEX VG-10 is a good start but from what I test it but still it classified as "Handycam" with little advance control like FMC(Full Manual Control) and sound monitoring, it is good for documentary I have to say with the zoom lens but its quality and features not so good for serious film maker hopefully their new FF body has these similar features as 5D Mk.II or an evolution NEX VG series camera with better quality and features

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post Oct 15 2010, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(albnok @ Oct 15 2010, 09:55 AM)
wingster: Avatar was not primarily shot with a Canon 5D MkII. Heck, it's a CGI motion capture film!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_%282009_film%29
Here is a picture of the camera used:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sonyelectronics/4194825503/

And more from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_movie...n_Camera_System:
Of course, the 5D MkII was indeed used as a B cam in Iron Man 2.

destfull: Welcome back. Use the camera that inspires you! smile.gif

noprob: Nice!

zstan: If only - more like RM3k-4k range I'd say. sad.gif
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Of course is not the primary camera for those large production movies but secondary cameras ...



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post Oct 15 2010, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(shootkk @ Oct 15 2010, 10:04 AM)
Refer to statements in bold.

Like I said - it will remain in the realm of amateurs and wannabes who does not have the budget for a pro video cam - the proper tool for video capture. Of course pro video cams are gonna cost you! It's designed from ground up for video and optimized for video and targeted to the pro video market.

DSLRs and DSLTs are essentially still cameras. Designed from the ground up to capture still photos and have a video function thrown in just for bragging rights. It's a bridge at best for the amateurs videographers who have a limited budget to start with. Once they get the money and means, they will buy a proper pro video cam.

Where will that leave the video function on DSLRs and DSLTs? Nowhere. It'll be there but it'll not really get improved upon much and will stay a nice to have feature.
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I'm agree with you but improve is there for DSLR in video and getting closer to closer through the manual controls as the heavy budget 35mm camera.

DSLR/DSLT is not a platform for video maybe in some way yes but future supportive equipment + extra flexible control will turn the table on that, on large production for sure those pro big camera is always the head of choice but for small production, indi-film makers and short film makers, video DSLR and RED camera leads the way to being as an essential tools.


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post Oct 15 2010, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Oct 15 2010, 10:59 AM)
there are a few types of shooting that could make use of the limitations of VDSLT/VDSLR (short shooting durations, lens motor noise, etc.):
- short/experimental/low-mid budget films
- commercial
- music video

the current VDSLT/VDSLR is not suitable for
- news reporting/journalistic/documentary video
- wedding coverage

Why?

If you guys ever learned film production, or shooting actual films, you'd know that each scene takes are normally no more than 1 minute. Very rare goes beyond 3 mins. After that it's all about editing on how the director and editor will put every bits and pieces of shots together. Sound (even ambient) is often added separately. Mic with boom is always used. We never use the built-in mics eventhough there's one on our video camera. We are even encouraged to use manual focus. However I wish the current implementation accepts recording in RAW video, and support XLR inputs for high quality mics. Maybe there's adapter, but I don't know.

If I were to sum up, back then in uni, we only need/use: manual focus, external mics, built-in ND filter (used accordingly), and a very good sturdy tripod of course.

Not suitable for news reporting or wedding coverage due to handling, and limited shooting duration. Video camera is always the best in these areas.

I might have missed a few things though.

Oh ya... I know I've been missing for a while. Just being busy with other businesses... no time for photography anymore.
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Yeah VDSLR is not for documentaries and journalistic (although some people have achieve it before by using cut n paste method), NEX VG-10 is an better alternative for these

For wedding some people has done using short film style like this from D1 Production in Malaysia:



For lens motor noise it would be solve by carrying the HDR voice recorder paired with shotgun mic

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post Oct 16 2010, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(evilhomura89 @ Oct 16 2010, 10:59 PM)
is that the reason why a lot of ppl prefer C/N over Alpha?
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In Sony Alpha cameras used to be saturated compare to CaNikon cameras
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post Oct 16 2010, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(d4rkholeang3l @ Oct 16 2010, 11:14 PM)
wat's ur setting for creative style?
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-1 Saturation 0 Contrast +1 Sharpness for mine one ...

I think if you want more neutral color, you can pick for portrait style?
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post Oct 17 2010, 12:04 PM

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Skate Photograph B&W + 10% Blue Filter xD ... C&C Welcome

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