Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

History Alexander the Great, Where did he died?

views
     
rocket_jet
post Oct 1 2010, 09:20 PM

Videogame connosieur
*****
Senior Member
712 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: T128 3rd Floor Bangsar Shopping Centre KL



Afghan ladies. What else?
hanifw
post Oct 1 2010, 09:22 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
389 posts

Joined: Jan 2003

alexander the great and iskandar zulkarnain is different person...
most historians make mistakes in this..
The Envoy
post Oct 1 2010, 09:58 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
94 posts

Joined: Aug 2010
From: Lands From Afar
I still have yet to see an explanation or a source on why Alexander is not Iskandar. Please stop resorting to one liners in this section (reserve it for other parts of LYN) and please use something to back up your arguments

1. statement (followed by)
2. reasons why (preferably with a source quoted)
Zozi
post Oct 2 2010, 09:59 PM

On my way
****
Junior Member
658 posts

Joined: Sep 2010


QUOTE(The Envoy @ Sep 30 2010, 10:54 PM)
A dead Greek from many many generations ago...seriously?
While posting on LYN...seriously?
*
QUOTE(The Envoy @ Oct 1 2010, 09:58 PM)
I still have yet to see an explanation or a source on why Alexander is not Iskandar. Please stop resorting to one liners in this section (reserve it for other parts of LYN) and please use something to back up your arguments

1. statement (followed by)
2. reasons why (preferably with a source quoted)
*
There is something I've been meaning to tell people like you in LYN , specially in the PHD section. If you wanna troll , bring it to /k/. I don't know if you read anything at all in this thread , but I definitely didn't see any input from you to this thread. You asked for source, is that a request for validity ? If I say 1+1=2 here, would you ask for the source too ? Perhaps a statement , the 4th Prime Minister of Malaysia was Tun Dr Mahathir, do you need a source for that as well ?

Be reminded that this is the PhD School section, and although It did not mean that only PhD scholars can be in here, but it definitely is a place where people discuss their mind and knowledge away. If everyone comes in and start posting sources, they might as well dont voice out their own opinion then.

Why is Alexander , Iskandar then ? Enlighten us with what you know, and don't try to be a bigger man with empty talk.

Don't act smart here my friend, some people who lurk here are of completely different levels than those in RWI and /K/,
The Envoy
post Oct 2 2010, 10:01 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
94 posts

Joined: Aug 2010
From: Lands From Afar
QUOTE(Zozi @ Oct 2 2010, 09:59 PM)
There is something I've been meaning to tell people like you in LYN , specially in the PHD section. If you wanna troll , bring it to /k/. I don't know if you read anything at all in this thread , but I definitely didn't see any input from you to this thread. You asked for source, is that a request for validity ? If I say 1+1=2 here, would you ask for the source too ? Perhaps a statement , the 4th Prime Minister of Malaysia was Tun Dr Mahathir, do you need a source for that as well ?

Be reminded that this is the PhD School section, and although It did not mean that only PhD scholars can be in here, but it definitely is a place where people discuss their mind and knowledge away. If everyone comes in and start posting sources, they might as well dont voice out their own opinion then.

Why is Alexander , Iskandar then ? Enlighten us with what you know, and don't try to be a bigger man with empty talk.

Don't act smart here my friend, some people who lurk here are of completely different levels than those in RWI and /K/,
*
I don't believe I'm trolling. I'm just asking for some backup for some statements.
Zozi
post Oct 2 2010, 10:09 PM

On my way
****
Junior Member
658 posts

Joined: Sep 2010


So I guess you wouldn't agree if I say there were elements of sarcasm in your posts? and Not to mention a total failure of providing any inputs at all to the topic ?

We are here to discuss what we know about the topic , from what we have learnt and how we interpret a certain occasion in relation to history. Even an Archaeologist has to make many assumptions before drawing a conclusion. This is where we share and correct each other if wrong. Furthermore regarding this topic, there are many unreliable sources out there due to the fact that it is religiously motivated.
Topace111
post Oct 3 2010, 12:42 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
2,102 posts

Joined: Feb 2008
Sometimes its more important to spread a message across rather than throwing jargons around. Hence we have someone like stephen hawking explaining astrophysics stuffs to us in lay man terms.

I think the point of stating whether who is who is rather shallow compared to the reasons behind it.
No doubt everyone wants someone "great" in their history book and I supposed he should be the greatest behind it.

Main arguments :
1) Timeline : Islam civilization begins around 600 AD, Alexander is 300 BC, thats like a thousand year gap. I dont know how someone can write so much about someone about a thousand years ago.

2) Beliefs : Those are the days of paganism (even before Romans). Alexander liken himself to Achilles one of the heroes of Troy. It based on the greek mythologies, any islamic comparison ?

3) Zulkarnain means 2 horns, Alexander is called by a similar name in Egypt as a reference to their gods too. But correct me that Egypt is under no Islamic influence during that period, they are worshipping Amun.

4) Alexander is not really the "model" type. He pillage, murder, homosexual, hubris ........ etc. Not someone you want to be a prophet do you ?
migai
post Dec 25 2010, 05:35 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
32 posts

Joined: Sep 2010
QUOTE(Topace111 @ Oct 3 2010, 12:42 AM)
Sometimes its more important to spread a message across rather than throwing jargons around. Hence we have someone like stephen hawking explaining astrophysics stuffs to us in lay man terms.

I think the point of stating whether who is who is rather shallow compared to the reasons behind it.
No doubt everyone wants someone "great" in their history book and I supposed he should be the greatest behind it.

Main arguments :
1) Timeline : Islam civilization begins around 600 AD, Alexander is 300 BC, thats like a thousand year gap. I dont know how someone can write so much about someone about a thousand years ago.
For muslims, our history isnt start from our Prophet Muhammad, but it was already started from Adam. by time, in our belief,
our God sent a messenger (might be more) to a race. Thus, from our view, Alexander might be Zulkarnain.


2) Beliefs : Those are the days of paganism (even before Romans). Alexander liken himself to Achilles one of the heroes of Troy. It based on the greek mythologies, any islamic comparison ?
Facts can be altered through time. Since he alive in paganism era, the intellectuals in that time, will view him as paganism believer. 

3) Zulkarnain means 2 horns, Alexander is called by a similar name in Egypt as a reference to their gods too. But correct me that Egypt is under no Islamic influence during that period, they are worshipping Amun.
I got no idea about this.

4) Alexander is not really the "model" type. He pillage, murder, homosexual, hubris ........ etc. Not someone you want to be a prophet do you ?
*

Again, since he alive in paganism era, the intellectuals in that time, will view him as paganism believer.

BUT! This isnt make me say Alexander is Zulkarnain. Lot of Islamic Intellectuals writing on this matter, and alot of them arent agree Alexander is Zulkarnain. I have read some books that made by Muslims, they agree Alexander is Zulkarnain, but for me their writing is rely only on their theory, not facts. In Islam, theory with no support from our 2 main sources are cannot be accepted. my point of posting isnt to say either he is or not Zulkarnain, but more on explaining actual Islam. no offend please.

btw, today is 25 Dec. Happy Christmas Eve
[cool.gif[/B]
conxtion
post Sep 20 2011, 01:10 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
245 posts

Joined: Mar 2009


The first man is actually Pangu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangu
He appeared long before Adam the Jew/Arab.

peace230
post Sep 20 2011, 10:02 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
475 posts

Joined: Aug 2010
From: 石头暴出黎ger..
How about the Graet warrior- Genghis khan 成吉思汗?????

 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0141sec    0.41    5 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 1st December 2025 - 07:13 AM