Sorry I cannot agree. He did lost the battle in india, and was wounded. That battle alone caught him too many soldiers, and even if Alexander wasn't wounded and can continue fighting, the odds would be against him still. Greek's phalanx are great in the open field, but not in the forest. Phalanx was created to hold the line and anti cavalry & chariots. Unfortunately though, not elephants.

No doubt though Like you said, that Alexander would expand his empire all the way to China had he not died at such a young age. He himself once said that He will never stop marching forward until he reaches the end side of the world.

@LYN Forumers, Yes the Iskandar Zulkarnain in our sejarah text book is indeed referring to Alexander of Macedonia. There are even several books published about Why Alexander was Iskandar, and Why he was a Muslim. A stupid claim that I myself can shoot them back on the face just like that

In the Muslim Quran, there is a "Tokoh" in which they called Iskandar Zulkarnain, and they have also pathetically sent out scholars and Ulamas to search the truth behind this name. They finally related him with Alexander of Macedonia. A claim in which is absurd and Stupid. ( I mean no offense to my muslim friends, But please continue reading to know what I am pointing out. )

I myself is a huge fan of history, and I cannot stand history being distorted just because a certain group of people trying to make themselves look good. Alexander was born to King Phillip of Macedonia, a state in which practices greek gods teaching. They believe in Olympia and Athena as their world of gods and paradise and whereas Zeus as the god of gods. Alexander himself was rumored to be a descendant of Achilles himself , the Demi god of war. In Alexander's campaign to India, he once compared himself to Heracles , the son of Zeus ( Romans know Heracles as Hercules ) and was challenged by his generals when he made such comparison remark. Alexander commanded back "Why not?" To his fellow commanders, this therefore confirmed Alexander's faith in Greek Gods. If Alexander was indeed Iskandar, and is claimed to be an Islam person, Will the macedonian troops marched with him and die for him ?

In the Muslim scholar's research, Iskandar even came to Malaya before and stayed at a small town in Kelantan ( You can see how farking ridiculous this is going ) and planned to conquer the whole of Malaya. Also to mention, Iskandar spent 20 years in Indonesia to "Berdakwah" . Point #1, Alexander died at the age of 32-33. He led his first cavalry group at the age of 16-18 in greece. So when exactly did these 20 years took place?

Iskandar also travelled and conquered part of western china and eventually spreaded his conquest to japan and korea. The world's biggest Empire was therefore formed, dont you think ? From greece to middle east asia, to south east asia and ended in east asia. But, according to the history, the world's largest empire was founded by a man name Gengkhis Khan, the Mongol warlord who then formed the Yuan Dynasty in china. Alexander's empire from greece to egypt to Persia is only known as the second largest empire. So where is this so called empire by Iskandar?

Another fact to push away the Islamic scholar's research is, China was never defeated by any troops from the west until the Opium war. China's only foreign conquerors were the Mongols and the Manchus. Islam scholars claimed that the present day Xinjiang ( Uyghur ) was the best prove of Islamic presence, well yes. But did they know that Xinjiang was also known as east turkmenistan ? and also north east Krgystan ? These 2 are Islamic states out of china until during the Qing Dynasty when they were brought to submission by the Manchu army rulling china that time.

I have no faith at all in our school history book, most of what they told us are lies just to glorify Islam and Malaysia. Alexander the great was a homosexual, a practice that was allowed in the greek teachings but not in Islam. They even claimed that Alexander's teacher, the philosopher scorates was a muslim as well.

DO you guys know what the most ironic thing is ? Islam did not even come to the world yet when Alexander was breathing until 1,000 years later. And these fools are claiming that Alexander is their so called dream Iskandar? I think its full of bullshit. If this is the best the Muslim scholars can do, then their level of education and knowledge is really pathetic.

Alexander and his army, drinks wine, womanizes , are homosexuals, and worshipped godly statues (Paganism ), these are all forbidden values in islam and yet the scholars dared to claimed it as their history and glorify it while they themselves condemn everyone who are practicing these values today ?

Another prove of our Incompetent knowledge in history is , If you guys remember the story of the Sultan of Malacca receiving Admiral Zheng He of china. It was mentioned that China was mesmerized by the sultanate of Malacca and decided to form good friendship with Malacca, and thus showing the Intelligence of the sultan and strength of Malacca. But there is one thing the book didn't mention though, the Book didn't mention about the 64 war ships weighing 1,500 tonnes each , carrying 30,000 chinese troops. And this was only an expedition voyage, not yet a conquest one. The government of Palembang in indonesia fought back and as the result, the entire Palembang royal family was captured and brought back to china to be shown off to the emperor. The book failed to mention that as well. Clearly, the Kesultanan Melaka was intimidated and had no choice but to receive the envoy with an open arm. It was Malacca bowing to China, not the otherwise. Malacca was not even mentioned as a great significance in their side of the record. Sri Lankan's royal family was also captured and brought back to china to show to the emperor when they fought back. Could the silat dancers really have held these chinese army that defeated even the fearless mongols? and not to mention these chinese dudes had almost 4,000 years of war experience backing them up.


So Alexander is Iskandar ? Or just another fiction created by the Muslim to gain more popularity point ? Did Iskandar ever existed at all actually ? Because from what they described him and the area of his Empire, I don't think such person ever existed. Specially when they talked about the empire spreading as vast to china , korea and japan. No empire in the miedeval age nor earlier was able to match with the army of the east. ( east as in East Asia )

Discuss ahead.

There is something I've been meaning to tell people like you in LYN , specially in the PHD section. If you wanna troll , bring it to /k/. I don't know if you read anything at all in this thread , but I definitely didn't see any input from you to this thread. You asked for source, is that a request for validity ? If I say 1+1=2 here, would you ask for the source too ? Perhaps a statement , the 4th Prime Minister of Malaysia was Tun Dr Mahathir, do you need a source for that as well ?

Be reminded that this is the PhD School section, and although It did not mean that only PhD scholars can be in here, but it definitely is a place where people discuss their mind and knowledge away. If everyone comes in and start posting sources, they might as well dont voice out their own opinion then.

Why is Alexander , Iskandar then ? Enlighten us with what you know, and don't try to be a bigger man with empty talk.

Don't act smart here my friend, some people who lurk here are of completely different levels than those in RWI and /K/,

So I guess you wouldn't agree if I say there were elements of sarcasm in your posts? and Not to mention a total failure of providing any inputs at all to the topic ?

We are here to discuss what we know about the topic , from what we have learnt and how we interpret a certain occasion in relation to history. Even an Archaeologist has to make many assumptions before drawing a conclusion. This is where we share and correct each other if wrong. Furthermore regarding this topic, there are many unreliable sources out there due to the fact that it is religiously motivated.