screwballX
.... okay, so show us the logic and 'nature science of logic's' way of explanation?
story is story,
i gave up on fiction since I was in standard 2.
started reading science since then.
well if it's not the things mentioned by science,
then wat's in it?
another world? with a sun in it? and high-level living creatures?


awakened_angel.
okay, and ya this is real Okay lmao,
good for emphasizing on the definite meaning of 'create',
it makes things clearer and more understandable.

and,as I can recall,
I've seen d equation
E=mcc
above?
I'd just learnt today, that this equation actually represents the change in mass as a inevitable consequent of the change in energy,
rather than change of mass causing the change in energy.
the real cause of release of energy is in the transformation of the arrangement of the particles into a lower energy state, thus the excess energy is released, which is accompanied by loss in mass,
that is calculated thru this equation

"extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" - Carl Sagan

KeNGZ,
Advance life form, Another world .. who knows maybe. But mostly i focus is the inner sun. The traverlers refer as crust about 800 Miles thick and hollow with a small sun. I would not belived it but some actual science is applied do make sense to me..
Take a raw egg and spin it then stop it immedietly and release it .. It still spin a bit .. Take a hard boil egg .. spin it and stop it .. it will stop without any movement at all. Like all motion mechanics, there is a force to move it. Just like a ball rolling, either it must be kick which use impact force or push on a slope area which use gravity as its force. In order to have motion, one must pull and one must push.
How does the earth spin? Sun provide our earth with a large rotation which we rotate around the sun.. so what makes our earth rotate?


"Earth seems to have a heart beat called the Schumann Resonance where it has been observed that the earth's magnetic field resonates with a heart beat of 7.83 Hz from electromagnetic resonances in the cavity of our hollow earth. These resonances were first discovered by Nicola Tesla in 1899 which he used to develop a method of transmitting electricity through the air and the earth. The earth's magnetic field is generated by the earth's shell with a negative charge rotating about the inner sun with a positive charge similar to the way a common dynamo generates a magnetic field." - a science person.

Yes, Nicola Tesla.. the guy who introduce AC. Most of his experiment did base on free energy but decline and dissaproved by government which prefer to use oil as it profits them. As you see today, oil controls everything. If you search on Nicola past experiment, you will find that he already have harness the energy made by earth itself for FREE. All which you read have link one to another.
Sciencetist today have said to know how the universe run and the big bang theory. But they did not see it, they have no doubt in their theory about the universe but assume by just looking at stars and meteorite. They assume they know the galaxy. But on earth, there some unexplained event happen.. still they are unable to solved it in science theory. Yet they cant link all the galaxy behaviour until it happens.
Solved our mistery before solving the universe mistery. There is a lot of holes to cover.



@linOOb

As you know some are unable to belived until seen but some belived and theorize the science effect which do have connection.. If what you see in the picture do remind us... we know so little of the world.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread592042/pg1

This post has been edited by ScrewBallX: Sep 13 2010, 09:58 AM

boy is this going OT, anyway, a simple google turns out this: why does the earth rotate

anyway, i would argue that the earth is more like a raw egg than a hard boiled egg. as the mantle is liquid. your hollow earth is more like an empty egg shell. try spinning that and see what the result is like

Simple Children science webpage ... neat.. havent seen it for a long long time.

Let me simplify to you..

Egg have yolk and liquid surrounding the yolk, shell as skin protective and to hold it together. Earth have inner sun (yolk) and dense atmospere (liquid) protect by crust also hold it together(shell).

how is that in anyway different from a metal core, a liquid mantle and a solid crust? and the sun, is it hollow too?

science way of logic exist no less than 5 century.. it is about a genius with his logical midset, predicts a natural phenomenon(hypothesis), set the boundaries/parameters/variables, run an experiment to test it, get the results, use math to compute the result and try to derive a relationship between the variables, inputs and outputs known as formulae

science is what makes us logical, fiction is what motivate us to apply the science that we discover for better

"science without religion is blind; religion without science is lame" Albert Einstein

I do believe many scientist/engineer are motivated or inspired by science fiction



you are welcome.... one english word has totally different meaning in various faculty


it can also mean the energy released if amount of mass collides at the speed of light or on the contrary, the amount of energy needed to accelerate a certain mass to the speed of light...

This post has been edited by Awakened_Angel: Sep 13 2010, 10:57 PM

Here is the science today depict the earth:

Earth has a diameter of about 12,756 km (7,972 mi). The Earth's interior consists of rock and metal. It is made up of four main layers:
1) the inner core: a solid metal core made up of nickel and iron (2440 km diameter)
2) the outer core: a liquid molten core of nickel and iron
3) the mantle: dense and mostly solid silicate rock
4) the crust: thin silicate rock material

The temperature in the core is hotter than the Sun's surface. This intense heat from the inner core causes material in the outer core and mantle to move around."

Now, Ill ask you..
1. How they know the make-up of the earth core and contents ?
2. If they measure the earth outer diameter how come they can come out with the earth core diameter ?
3. If the core temperature is hotter than the surface of the sun. How they measure it ? Any equipment would melt before reaching the core.
4. Can you name me technology that can drill all the way to the earths core?

Most of all, Why information regarding the earth core is so little? Just 4 ? And its by THEORY. Do i need to belived them? I should... they are scientice but i dont cause they cant answer anything but just by theory.

While travelers provide with a lot of proof since ancient times.

We are looking answer about the earth not the Sun. But ill stop here since the Topic is about Energy .. I will not stray out of topic ..

P/S - You know about the Kota Kinabalu UFO appearing news? Wonder where they come from? Mostly ufo appeared "NEAR MOUNTAINS". I guess a HOLE somewhere underwater lead into the Mount and go all the way down.... Nahhh must be a DREAM!~~~~~ or a fiction... or a make-up....
Just follow your mainstream science and forget about what i put up. I will discontinue the topic .. lets talk energy ... weeeeeeeee ~~

P/SS - Real experience people.

The Latest on Quantum Gravity
When I wrote Hollow Planets I was very impressed with the theories of Microwave Engineer, Ron Kotas. Ron says there is a link between electricity and gravity. I asked him how things were going. It turns out that in spite of his lectures via science societies and the fact that he debates directly with scientists on their level, they just give him the cold shoulder. Sad isn't it? Here's Ron's update:-

Dear Jan:
Received your e-mail ok. In relation to my gravity theory, there is another APS (American Physical Society) meeting in Albequeque, New Mexico in April. I don't know if I'll be able to attend. I still have a lot to do with my actual book, and that might take a number of years to complete.

When I wrote to NASA in relation to the Foucault Pendulum article they had on the web, I found that the head scientist even discounted the information NASA provided in its own web site. He didn't believe the pendulum shifted at all and thought I was trying to tell him the earth was shifting 13.5 degrees. Some of these people seem pretty well mind set on Einstein's general relativity, and sometimes it seems hopeless to bring up anything new or different.

Keep working on things. Is your New York trip business or pleasure. Maybe a combination of both. I hope you have a good trip.

Ron Kotas
Grand Quantum Research


This post has been edited by ScrewBallX: Sep 13 2010, 11:02 PM

there is a very easy debunk for hollow earth theory, the gravity force of the the earth will be much different because the mass of the earth will be much lower, or the crust need to much denser, which mean the crust must not be make up something much heavier rock which we have no reason to believe it is not. the deepest hole ever dig by human are 12,262 metres in the kola penisular, and there are many other deep hole that do several km into the crust, they did not find layer of mush denser material..

scientist know about the layer because of seismology pick up the wave generated by earth quake bouncing off the different layer




scientific theory are not just speculation, please read up on what a scientific theory actually is

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Added on September 13, 2010, 11:43 pmabout the inner sun, dont it make sense if there is a sun in the hollow earth sun light will shine out of the hole of the crust??

This post has been edited by robertngo: Sep 13 2010, 11:43 PM

All the energy in the world and universe must have origin from a single source, otherwise the theory of energy would not be valid. Scientists have reasons to believe that big bang was the source of our universe. In layman terms, big bang is like a massive explosion, which occurred at extremely high temperature, along with a lot of energy. As the universe expand and cool down, these energy particles become highly unstable at lower temperature, and transform into mass.

The mass later coagulate and became larger particle, and soon enough, all the sun, planets were created.

It's like how mass cannot be created (in general terms). We slice an apple in half. We blend half of it, put it into a cup, then add the other half and weight it. It would maintain the same weight as earlier. Same goes to energy. Only that we cannot see how it happen.

If i may add, in science, a theory is the STRONGEST.


Real life experience has ZERO weight on a scientific argument. Why? Because it is neither controlled nor repeatable.

I think your doubts on this stem from your first post in this topic

I guess you have no idea how powerful maths are in determining the unobservable.

This post has been edited by befitozi: Sep 14 2010, 12:21 AM

Not sure what you are trying to imply here. But Ron Kotas study the Foucault Pendulum behavior during solar eclipse. The discovery is nothing new, only that Ron Kotas suggested a theory that Gravity and Gravitation are an Electromagnetic phenomenon based at the nucleon level. Source

There are countless submission which try to relate gravity with electromagnetic theory. It is all part of efforts to contribute to the string theory.

is big bang the source, or is big bang the limit of our observation/calculation/equation?

IMHO, from what I read & watch(astro551-555), the big bang that resulted us is creating this "VISIBLE" universe.. which is a giant sphere containing our universe.... as far as human can perceive(theoretically) which is 15 billion light years in diameter

and there are millions of such universe out there............ somce scientise call it (parallel universe) or other dimensions.......

This post has been edited by Awakened_Angel: Sep 14 2010, 01:40 AM

All our observations seem to converge to a single origin, which is the big bang. By observing the universe, when they work backward to create the big bang theory; and then using the big bang model (mathematically simulated) to predict other cosmology event, it come out quite accurate.

But still, Big Bang is just a theory. I won't say it is the ultimate truth. Maybe there are still missing information due to our limitation in observation, or equations yet to be developed. This information can be supportive or negative to the big bang theory. Who knows....

For now, the theory is very convincing. A lot of papers and writings suggest the same. Even few unrelated study has also indirectly support the theory.

Yup, visible universe, as in the space we are living now. The visible universe that hold the energy.

Parallel universes theory is rather pre-mature and still very shallow, too many assumptions. I like the idea, but I find it difficult to believe in.

then why say big bang created energy and matter (and thus inferring that energy and matter needs to be created)? Energy/matter may well exist before big bang, but we cannot observe/calculate it.

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Added on September 14, 2010, 8:38 amWhy dont you google earth and find out if they HAVE any picture of a COMPELETE north pole and south pole.

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Added on September 14, 2010, 9:55 amIll open the Hollow earth theory Theads.


This post has been edited by ScrewBallX: Sep 14 2010, 09:55 AM

einstein aint live long enough to answer this.. hope hawking could finish the equation

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Added on September 14, 2010, 2:26 pmmain stream science are like traditional people... they cant accept new ideas unless it is proven on the LAB.. not on papers...

P/S feel free to watch this link....

http://www.tom365.com/movie_2004/html/8489.html

This post has been edited by Awakened_Angel: Sep 14 2010, 02:26 PM

== im lasy to retype things about big bang and how did the matter-energy created/origin from.
find it here, the whole process of big bang.
i posted a reply to the topic of creation of the universe and thus everything in it.
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=36264943


and I'm a science-main stream student.
not quite true to say it that way, or did I get you wrong?
before the acceptance of an idea, we speculate and test it.
'test' does not necessarily means testing in LAB.
just like you learn new ideas on physics from the textbook,
you surely don't carry out all experiment to prove everything for yourself, but you still accept it.
why?
because it makes sense to you.
it is logical
string theory, or M theory,
they are theoretical physics.
and can't be really proven in lab.
theoretical physics require mostly workings on paper, using mostly math.
and how do those theories get so far and dominated?
because they make sense.
they are logical as seemed to all human mind.

for the, there's 2 type of people who practices science.
1. the type that only learns and applies, without questioning much about them.and thus they can't accept new ideas beyond what they've learnt.
2. the type that is standing outside the box, and they can speculate the how correct is the existing theory, and they can develop new ideas.
best example? einstein and stephen hawking and all those string theorists. they are creative.

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Added on September 14, 2010, 3:21 pmanother way,
using the science's way of getting the trust of people.
logical proof.
prove and explain the formation of a hollow-core planet?
if you succeeded in doing so,
Nobel prize is waiting for u

This post has been edited by KeNGZ: Sep 14 2010, 03:21 PM