Hi Diamond/Platinum players..

Just wanna interview a lil bit on how u guys can become such a good player..

1) Have u guys played SC1/BW before?

2) When did u guys started to play SC2? Since the Beta release?

3) How many hours you play SC2 per day averagely?

And pls share with us all tips on becoming a good SC2 player..

Step 1. Cheese your way to Diamond
Step 2. Don't play league so you can keep the diamond.

The good way : keep playing, learning new build, and when you lose a match, rewatch the replay and check where you did wrong, fix the mistake and play the next match, and keep doing so until you're Diamond.

The cheap way : Play Terran and fukken MMM it!

Does not always work when in team games or if the other opponents do a tech rush.

1) Have u guys played SC1/BW before?
no

2) When did u guys started to play SC2? Since the Beta release?
no

3) How many hours you play SC2 per day averagely?
about 8? hmmm from I wakeup till I sleep

anyway ...practice is what I do ....micro practice macro practice .....and watch whole lot of commentaries video. Lastly, watch on ur replay to see what your mistake : )

Aside from watching matches which I lost, I also watch matches which I win, catch the details which you might improve even tho you win, and take notice opponent's mistakes and behavior.

Of course watch hi rank matches too.

1) No

2) 1 Month Ago

3) 3 hours per day (Sem Exam now)

4) Learn how to watch a replay instead of watching as if it is a movie.

1) Have u guys played SC1/BW before?
Played the campaign only, was a CnC/ RA series fan over SC

2) When did u guys started to play SC2? Since the Beta release?
Beta phase 1 test

3) How many hours you play SC2 per day averagely?
1-2 hours maybe?

i learn a lot from day9daily >.<

1) No

2) End of phase 1

3) Only play less than 5 matches a day (not as crazy as shinji)

Watch replays of the games that I've lost.

i stuck at rank 21 bronze
win a few time also didnt go to silver haha

1) yes, hardcored it in fact

2)got a beta key near the end of the beta

3) 2 - 3 hours

4) go to teamliquid and learn

1) yes

2) late phase 1 beta

3) weekdays 5ish hours weekends until exhaustion

tips: keep playing. learn from your mistakes, improve yourself (be it physical finger/hand reflexes, thinking/thought process reflexes), diversify your strategy, and improve your micro/macro. replays of your own mistakes is fine and all, but try to reach to a point where you can KNOW what went wrong without the replay. that way, you save that replay time, and can use it to play more games, get more experience etc.

For the ppl who didn't play sc1 and sc2 beta..
And manage to join the diamond/platinum league, u guys sure have natural talent..

Never follow this, you will never improve

some people does some things better than others naturally. while the rest have to work hard for it. kore ga jin sei da. (that is life) wwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

>My face when I'm in Platinum due to 3 of my 5 placement matches were scrubs

I wasn't being serious

But it seems to be the trend thats going on these days. So dissapointingly hard to find a proper game where someone doesn't cheese.

Diz thread is a spotlight threads for diamond players,

However I do agree that their advice are for you to improve yourself

I find it better if you practice in a game with a referee who can point out ur mistakes~ coz sometimes when I play, I get so caught up with my own macro that I didn't notice things

i dun cheese =(

When i was in silver league, i cheese alot using the banel bust..
but now in gold league, cannot use that tactic already..

I guess skills man RAW SKILLS !!!

What is wrong with cheesing ? Cheesing is a skill anyways..

My Journey today :

1) I cheesed someone and he scold he shit out of me

2) I win over someone who cheesed me and he say I Suk Chun

Wtf ?

i would nt call it a skill but rather a strategy/ build...
as i said, its a all-in style of play...

The worst thing is, i use 1 scv wif 1 reaper in the bunker while he have 2 stalkers up... then i bring in 5 more reapers to his base but the bunker had been exploded... then i use my marauder to finish him off.. is this cheesing ?

i dun think that's a cheese anymore...
for him to have 2 stalkers up is past the cheese timing...

that retard played around 900 1v1 league games... siasuey diamond rank people

That guy already 900 games? Omg....
And I thought 1000 games is going to take months to accomplish...

its already a mth since this game is out : )

for those who think player who got into diamond without playing SC1 is talented i would say very wrong

Since this is SEA server getting into diamond is relatively 5x easier comparable to US server

It just full of knowledge that recipe the skills-

This post has been edited by xShinji: Sep 1 2010, 03:33 AM

Yea but haha.
If you think about it.

Not sure if this is realistic, but just calculating it on average.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Let's say minus sleep time and eating time, hope he sleeps 8 hours a day and maybe take 2 hours of breaks just to eat, sleep, go toilet and what not.
He has 14hours a day, which is 840mins per day.

Let's say a game averages to 20mins. So he can play 840/20 = 42 games per day. Then 900/42 is around 21.5 days. It's almost a month haha. Basically he just plays non-stop since it came out. I guess that explains why he is so stressed and scolds people just for getting cheesed. He certainly needs a break.

Of course, this does not count the fact that he could be sharing account with a friend so the play time could be more than 14 hours a day.

wan a screenshot of him ? LOL

btw , a talented player should be diamond +70% winning rate and above. ( at least 200 matches in total )

This post has been edited by Nandeska: Sep 1 2010, 04:25 AM

Haha would love to see it if you can spare the time.

i wouldnt say 5x, however it is relatively easier compared to SEA. of course, if you want the ultimate diamond brag, theres the korean servers.

1) campaign player
2) After official release
3) few matches per WEEK!! (working life own me hard)

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Added on September 1, 2010, 9:43 amI would say WR 60% and above and over 200 matches will prove he is a talented player already

70% WR are very gosu and this record still not achievable from what I saw in Korea Diamond league.. most of them are 60 and above

This post has been edited by raylee914: Sep 1 2010, 09:43 AM

no need screenshot, just link his profile (need to find on bnet/in game, deodorant posted a Q on that, nows a good time to give it a shot lol).

and btw diamonds players are known to have less than/around 50-60% winrate, as we can see for everyone's SEA diamond siggy here on LYN
same goes to US too btw, lowest diamond winrate ive seen is like 51%? IINM

Still a diamond player with only 50-60% for me is better than a gold player who has 60-70% win rate.

Diamond players have to match up with diamond opponents..

not really, when i was in gold division, I used to against Diamond players =/

HuK have 76% winning rate LOL

watch replays and learn to incorporate the new styles in yr game play

You're gold , there is two leagues above you.what about diamond players? He is already at the top already :/

Diamond will start from bottom..against bronze..

Haha the poor bronze players.
But if suddenly appear one that is good, then pity the diamond player cause when lose that time, will lose a lot of points...

Seldom happen I hope.
Highest I've met so far as Bronze was Platinum.

here it is

http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/1014235/gONzO

he is the only ppl exceed 2k ladder points but still in bronze lol.

He is currently raged at the blizzard about the system why he is still in bronze league lol

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Added on September 1, 2010, 2:27 pmhttp://www.sc2ranks.com/ranks/all/all/1

highest point in the world..XD

This post has been edited by raylee914: Sep 1 2010, 02:27 PM

i dont get it, hes diamond plat on 2v2, but bronze 1v1? rofl? somemore highest point in the world lol

that's y he is raging

face problem

B.Net not yet intro webcam function T_T

I hope to see this function soon..

Points doesn't matter, when you promoted to another league, the points will be deducted .

don launch the webcam function please , don wan ppl showing me .i. 0.O

in the cam -,-"

Hahahaha. Thanks for the screenshot Nandeska.
Plus the comments some more. Now I understand why must be a screenshot.

Something is certainly wrong with the system.
He is suppose to be played in placement matches once he reaches rank #1 in the division. Then the placement would set him in a different league and probably half his points.

Either that or did this on purpose.
He just kept losing 5 games to put himself back in Bronze then play some more and then when he sees that he is getting matched with diamond, platinum and gold players again, he purposely lose 5 times again so he keeps staying in the bronze league.

Not sure if I got the system right...

so that settles it then, Bnet league matching system is greatly flawed.

It is good but there's a flaw that you can exploit.
I still find it to be the best system there is for RTS games.

Like C&C Red Alert 2 as an example.
When it first came out, you feel like you wanna vomit blood trying to play online. The matchmake system never works, so we ed up making custom games and wait for people to join or join people's custom games. To make things worst, there's no meter at that time to show what are the other people's latency so you'll have to pray hard that the game won't lag.

Gave up trying after my 5th game basically.
Think there was patches for it but I already went back to playing wow...

well it depends, went 3-2 with a fren (both of us are diamonds with other teams) for 2s and got to plat LOL...

i think the matchmaking system is fine...
if u keep farming points by beating noobs (especially wit the bonus pool) but looses to higher ranked opponents (losing 1-2 points only) then u will be stucked there no matter hw much points u got =p

few person's problem surely doesnt equate the entire system being flawed, much less greatly flawed.

there's no cheese tactic, only noob player, RTS is all bout win not whine.

agree. Losing to pro is fine but don lose to people who ranked lower than yourself. If you are able to beat 1 of the top ranked players , u will be promoted in no time. My most amazing case is , i played 3 games in platinum league 2 loses and 1 win and im promoted to diamond.

Interesting. My friend and I did the 2v2 and we won 5-0.
Ended up in Gold League only.

Maybe we only got at most a Gold league player during our matchups.
For my 1v1 I got a 3-2 I think and I ended up in Bronze haha.
Probably lost to a Bronze player in one of the games. That time still didn't know how to check profile at the score screen.

Now have to slowly climb up the ladder.

1 diamond + 1 bronze ...win 4 lose 1 .....tot will go into plat ...but end up silver lol

lol me n my fren 3-2 and got to plat =p

gaming brain

shiet, got pawned by diamond team in 2 v 2.
this sux, ended my 12 team game streak

heres a few tips to get better in your game

1) keep making workers NEVER STOP!
2) Always make supplies NEVER GET SUPPLY BLOCKED
3) Keep your money LOW. MACROMACROMACRO
4) Always have gameplan b4 u enter the game and STICK TO YOUR PLAN. ie: i want make shitload of tanks and push when i got SHITLOAD of tanks.

4 really basic things that can easily improve ur game.

sounds so much like Day[9]

learned from him.

when all of your tanks come out.... shit load of void rays waiting for you...

1) no point over saturating the mineral line unless you have plans to expand and transfer workers
2) sub 100 supply getting block for short periods isnt as crucial as the beginning where you can ALWAYS find ways to spend your excess resources while being block and it is most of the time useful too. eg: upgrades
3) for minerals thats the case, however for races like zerg, if ur going mutas, that wont be the case as you'll be larvae starved to go mutaling combo. that, and pre-muta you will have gas stockpile. (similar scenarios may apply to other races too)
4) what if your opponent put a wrench to your plan? still stick with it? (eg: i plan to mass reaper, opponent only got stalkers, what do now? stick to reapers and hand him the game?)

but of course, it is basic things (rather, GUIDELINES) for a reason, the point being to not follow it blindly.

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Added on September 2, 2010, 9:42 amyou either should have a decent marine pool escorting the tank, or you roll over and die lorhhh XD

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Sep 2 2010, 09:42 AM

charged VRs >> stim marines lol... 1 shot 1 die..

really depends on numbers, the rays takes like almost a sec to "apply" (as in, the rays may be on the marine, but he doesnt immediately vaporize)
while marine stimmed, you get the idea. cheaper, easier to mass with reactors and all.

unless the voids are having cliff abuse advantage, the overall advantage favors the marine greatly. voids typically arent good to take out massed units that anti air after all. charge or not charged. and non charged voids, might as well forget it lol

5 unstimmed marines > 1 charged VR...
unless u cant focus fire, then the VR seemed OP

same mineral cost minus the gas, and can build much faster than the void assuming with reactor. hell, make it 6 cuz of the 2x pairs.

i used my 6 charged VRs owned 20++ marines before..

- zerg rush while u bz making worker at the begining = GG
- zergling swarm in ur base b4 ur tank out = GG
- baneling + zergling unload on ur tank = GG

This post has been edited by HellZoker: Sep 2 2010, 10:06 AM

and yeah...i exploit the cliff edge advantage..

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Added on September 2, 2010, 10:08 amto the 3rd point, it is a havoc when reapers sneak into ur base and 2-3 shots your CC or Nexus or Hatcheries, then u will cry, no money to rebuild base..lol

This post has been edited by raylee914: Sep 2 2010, 10:08 AM

i owned an entire terran base with 1 VR before...
doing it against a bad player doesn't make the unit OP...

people sending 1 marine at a time to feed ur VR or atk moving marines into VR when VR have range 6 to marine's 5

lol, i used to do that too when I have only 1 stalker (fast expand) while the opponent used fast VR rush that I failed to scout properly...send stalker 1 by 1 to feed them T_T

rally ur troops to a save spot, get some mass then go in FTW...
some even rally their marines right under my VR...
i really "

Sigh right? Haha.
Have to climb up the ladder also.

Just my luck. Always have to do it the hard way.

I would rather climb from bottom than starting high.
Cause I can practise more before meeting the pros and not demotivated by losing too much..

Yea. That sounds like me last time.
Later when I watch back replay I was like
What the hell was I doing...

whine to your opponent: u r lucky when I was lag in the fight..^$^&**^(*) U!!!!

then rage quit..

XD

well largely depends on ur opponents...
my new 3s team went gold after 4-1 cause i dc the last game at the start and my frens decided its hopeless to even try and left

u know, u can always buy a guide book and read from there...

after that, just practice your method and try to be fast with ur fingers...

dun really need guidebook when u got teamliquid and liquidpedia

LOL. I didn't know that I was doing that until I saw the replay.
Not even sure what I was doing at that time.
Probably I was trying to whack his base while defending against his void rays.

Yea. We probably did only get gold league players.
Aww. Quite a waste. Sometimes they might be lax and up getting pwned.

Yea. They are the best resource to read from compared to the guide book.
The guide book is more of a collectible for me.
Something nice to have on the shelf. Haha.

And TFK more to have higher APM lollolololol

TFK during the game is it?
Don't want la. I don't wanna get the keyboard and mouse sticky.

lol
once u can do that..multitasking..ur apm will boost to 300-400 like those koreans

I think they can probably tfk, drink coffee, watch tv and cook instant noodles at the same time...

are u sure they are human?

Haha just a figure of speech.
But when I think about it, it is possible.
Just the instant noodle part might be a bit difficult to accomplish unless you have the stove next to your PC.

this is cheating....me and my partner killed 3 diamonds and 4 plats in 2v2 games but we didnt get promoted to platinum, wat the hell is this ?? although we did lost 2 games to diamonds. *cheating terrans*

btw, me n partner is gold.

there's a hidden confidence which determines ur consistency...
dun bother so much bout getting promoted, it'll come naturally from my experience...

ya, winning diamond doesnt mean that u can promote to diamond

bro, were u the one who reaper rushed me?

As zerg on a 1 on 1 map.

6pool autowins. That will get you to diamond and diamond will pawn you after that.

Gold and below will call you cheese and diamonds will call you noob.

depends lol...
i only loose once to a 6pool and that's in lost temple (where i think he map hack anyways for him to run straight to my base without scouting LOL)...
1v1 map usually i'll be more careful since he dun need to scout..