fooo tuka dgn carrick.....plus £10m=rugi lol.anyway carrick is our player and will still be our player.we need him.

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Added on August 30, 2010, 6:43 pmp.s: strike in valencia....habes la semua turun airport x bleh pegi stadium

This post has been edited by mhyug: Aug 30 2010, 06:44 PM

lol on vice captain issue.

pls take note SAF can make vidic a vice too so how? vidic = giggs rank also in vice captain. end of the day official capt is gary but he not there. all other vice is same level 1. its up to the manager to have his captain.

yeah... it's something like Gary Neville is club captain, Giggs/Rio/Vidic/Evra/OShea is team captain.
Team captain can be changed from time to time. Well we dont have to bother on the captaincy too much, try give Scholes the armband... he will thought that as a punishment hahahaa
I remember last time during Keane era, whenever Giggs gets the captaincy, we will not get a good result from the match
For me, Giggs isn't a a natural captain but his behaviour and determination on the pitch earn him the respect from his teammates... well at least they will respect the elders also what

will they upgrade the south stand of old trafford??
but the railway is getting in the way


This post has been edited by seventy: Aug 30 2010, 08:16 PM

Before this the official line was Gary as the captain, Giggs as the vice, and after that given to seniority(except for some cases like with Scholes). But who knows maybe SAF decided to change it up this season although I guess Gary is still the official captain being English and homegrown. Its just that we have a new #2/#3? We haven't announce anything official yet. So who knows. But from the first game till now it's been Vida all the way? I forgot. Anybody knows?

It's just an armband at the end of the day. Someone wearing it will get to choose which coins the ref gonna throw and decide which sides we start on. The ref will consult him on whatever stuff happening on the field. Nothing more nothing less. Those with seniority will have that aura of respect anyways.

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Added on August 30, 2010, 10:29 pm
His delivery was a little off though most of the time. The whole team seem to be misfiring a little. Still early in the season though. We will pick our form up. Slow starter and all that. Can't wait for Carrick and Ando to get back into the thick of things. Expecting big things from them.

This post has been edited by Wan: Aug 30 2010, 10:29 PM

Eh wanted to tell you guys this and see if any of you already knew about it :
My gf recently went to Old trafford and took the stadium tour. The guide took them to the changing room and there was a TV there and he said,during halftime,SAF and the coaching team will watch to see how to improve for the 2nd half and stuff. All this is fair enough.

But my gf said that the guide then said they will watch ESPN and other pundits to see what they say and try to follow their recommendations as well...
This part didnt feel right to me...I didnt know they actually listen to pundits and stuff to change tactics... :S

Did any of you know this?

If they watch/listen to Shebby spout crap stuff at half time, doesn't mean they will follow it to a tee. It's just like how a a group of people doing presentation and stuff. Just because you have a lot of talented people working together, doesn't mean their view point is absolute. It's good to hear 'others' viewpoint on the matter and the criticism that we might not see for ourselves.

Thats what i thought at first,but the whole idea of actually paying attention to pundits opinions just didnt seem,err,professional to me

Well,maybe its just me..

you know what i realize about man utd through out this 3 to 4 years? our conversion rates are super low. we have plenty of shots in every game... but goals? lol.... not that sure. we could have like 10 shots on goal in a game, and oni score 2 goals the whole match... i think thats something where man utd gotta improve in =D

You think the players/coaches/SAF don't read papers and what they write about us? Same thing. SAF and the coaches will have their own notes on what to say, what not to say, which players need the hairdryer and boots kick at them. But it's good to hear it from a third party even if they are not right. It will be a different view point from someone outside the box. Like Wenger said, everyone think they have the prettiest wife at home. Can be used as a tool to motivate the players as well. Turn it into a siege mentality.

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Added on August 30, 2010, 11:47 pmIt's always been like that. I don't have the stats to back me up, but we know goals don't come easy especially at this level. Same goes for the other teams. And just because it shows up on the stats, doesn't mean it's a sure thing goal opportunity. Sometimes it could be a long kick from VDS straight at the GK and it will be counted as a shot on target. With Gibson and Nani in the side, it will be more with them firing rockets and thinking they play rugby. And add Berba heading ability, it would shoot up even more.

This post has been edited by Wan: Aug 30 2010, 11:47 PM

Yeah, football is not entirely about stats. If stats are to be the benchmark for everything in football, might as well turn to American Sports. They are

overtly obsessed with numbers and stats. Still early in the season. Even transfer window has not officially closed yet. Have to wait and see on 1st

Sep. Based on the more or less final squad on that day, we could predict what is going through SAF minds. Not that anybody has done that

successfully before.

Third party point of view is true but when my gf was explaining to me how the guide said it,it seemed like they focused a lot on the external parties. I dont think it'll feel very nice to be put in the spotlight if youre having a bad game if youre a player then,very demoralizing. Pundits don't mince their words. Perhaps that could be the reason why some players seem so low on confidence for large periods of the season...

You think the clubs banned them from reading/watching football related matters especially when it's ManUtd related? It's no different from watching/listening it right as it happens. Either way they will know. They will have section of the crowds, if not most of them shouting bad stuff at you in games. SAF and the coaches pestering about it whenever you come in contact with them whenever they feel like airing out their views.

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Added on August 31, 2010, 12:16 amThe weak ones won't be able to handle it well, but then they won't get far in what ever they do if a bit of criticism got to them badly and for a long period of time(say a few years). Most players at the club have been there and done it, whether with us, or with others before joining in. They know what they're getting into in top flight football where the spotlight is on them especially with them playing for one of the top teams around in the world. Up to the players themselves to overcome that obstacle. If they can't handle the heat, it's best we let go. Everywhere he goes, he will get the same treatment.

This post has been edited by Wan: Aug 31 2010, 12:16 AM

Handling pressure is one thing. Being eaten alive by the manager and pundits during half time when the game isn't going so well is a whole different story to me personally. Imagine getting a tongue lashing in front of all your teammates based on something someone sitting in a studio said about your game. A lot of mental preparation and mental attributes play a part in a players performance and if the said player is a player who needs confidence to perform (i.e Berba and nani to name a couple) ,this could severely hamper their performance. To be honest,thats the only way i can accept Berbas average performances previously. He is one of the best technical players and one of the most intelligent players ive ever seen and he showed masterclass performances at Spurs where he was the top dog. At United,where the wealth of talent is much greater,he did perform poorly often and we've all see how he has been blasted again and again by pundits and fans.
Thats just my point of view,btw. And i totally understand and respect yours,you do make sense with yours

Happy MERDEKA!!

btw HAPPY MERDEKA DAY TO ALL FELLOW REDS.~~

yeah!!!happy merdeka day!!!!but no match,boring!!!

well no match but a great holiday tho.our nations birthday ma. as red as we can be, our nations flag will always be there in our hearts, may we all continue to prosper and enjoy this freedom we have.

This post has been edited by mhyug: Aug 31 2010, 01:23 AM

True about the being eaten alive thing. But they gotta live with it. I'm sure SAF knows which player to full blast and those who he silently pinch telling them one on one. At the end of the day, their confidence will be shot anyways after the game if they can't handle the pressure while the game was on. There's a lot more time to analyse the performances of a particular game after that. There would be a lot more fuel thrown into the fire.


Anybody else not feeling the 'merdeka' thing this year? It surely felt like nothing to me, even now. Puasa may play a part, but there's a lot more going on besides that. Uncertain future we're going into methinks..

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Added on August 31, 2010, 4:03 amCleverley going on loan to Wigan? Good move. Just hope they don't concede too many and be shit throughout.

'Latics close on Cleverley'
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_6348930,00.html

This post has been edited by Wan: Aug 31 2010, 04:03 AM

probabaly...the furture is always uncertain since no knows whats going to happen but i think no matter what we should keep our countries unity and merdeka day close at our hearts.