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post Oct 17 2011, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Oct 17 2011, 07:27 PM)
IGP is under video benchmarks.
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Never mind, I found out the reason behind the crazy Llano scores.

http://www.passmark.com/forum/showthread.p...11395#post11395

Well, not a very good benchmark for real world apps, but at least it's not a proven Intel suckup like Sysmark.

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post Oct 18 2011, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(lex @ Oct 17 2011, 11:16 PM)
Sysmark is actually a collection of office and productivity software benchmarks. Majority of them are Microsoft, Adobe and Autodesk software which usually favors Intel processors. You can clearly observe that from AnandTech's review (such as Autodesk 3dsmax, Adobe Photoshop, Microsoft Excel and Visual Studio 2008).  wink.gif
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What I mean is that they are directly linked to Intel and essentially do benchmarketing more than benchmarking x86 processors. I was just quipping about Passmark's staff being more open about the way they benchmark stuff, rather than Sysmark's dubious selection of apps and outdated versions as much as possible to make Intel processors look better.
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post Oct 18 2011, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(fcuk90 @ Oct 18 2011, 09:07 PM)
saw the fx4100 with asrock 990fx at c3x today , fx4100 worth ?
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Asrock's 990FX boards offer really good price for the features I'd say. Still wondering if the FX-4100 can be core unlocked on that board though. Why don't you try and give it a go with that? cool2.gif


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post Oct 19 2011, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(Neo|ofGeo @ Oct 19 2011, 02:58 PM)
Well....the problem is that i3 2100 could give about maybe less or more performance
nothing change like Phenom II x4 priced at RM384
while i3 2100 RM340

that why ayam is still sad
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i3 overclocking is still limited to its turbo multiplier max though. If the FX-4100 comes in at a little more than it in price it's certainly a better deal.
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post Oct 19 2011, 07:29 PM

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Kind of old news, that processor and the Athlon 631 (Llano with disabled GPU) were stealth released to retail channels about a month ago without any fanfare, and both apparently overclock like a champ.
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post Oct 19 2011, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(kenjixx @ Oct 19 2011, 10:04 PM)
I'm waiting for next bobcat... really low end user here
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Probably won't be a big update to that... AMD just released E-450 to replace E-350 so far.
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post Oct 20 2011, 06:25 PM

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http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1645024

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AMD approached me and expressed a desire to reach out to the members of the enthusiast hardware community about Bulldozer.  We discussed a couple of approaches on how to do this and we decided that we would host this HardForum thread for our readers to post their questions in.  AMD will then have the questions in hand and will internally deliver the questions to the persons at AMD that should best answer those.  Once our questions are answered by AMD, we will construct an interview article and publish it for you to read.  Surely we will discuss that as well. 

This forum thread is for QUESTIONS ABOUT DESKTOP BULLDOZER / ZAMBEZI ONLY.    ONE CLEAR AND CONCISE QUESTION PER POST. 

These questions should be constructed using proper grammar, spelling, and most of all, etiquette. 

Questions not following the above outlined formatting will be deleted and your account will disabled till the interview is published.

So please think before you submit your question,  and please take this opportunity seriously.   We have this chance to subvert all of the rumor mills and get our information straight from the AMD source(s).  I think our community can embrace this event and get the answers it wants and the answers I truly think it deserves.

Should you be unaware of the Bulldozer launch, you can read our review here.


So yeah, Hardforum is collecting questions on Bulldozer CPUs to ask AMD. Fire away!

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post Oct 24 2011, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(Thrust @ Oct 24 2011, 02:28 PM)
There's still Bulldozer B3 stepping. We will see how the B3 stepping Bulldozer goes.
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B3 stepping would be like Phenom 9950 instead of Phenom 9600, nothing more.

The real deal is Piledriver.
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post Oct 25 2011, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Oct 25 2011, 05:09 PM)
http://www.computerbase.de/news/2011-10/am...form-enthuellt/
Hmm, Brazos 2.0 is coming. I think CPU remains the same, but with HD7000 GPU.

http://www.computerbase.de/news/2011-10/am...ller-als-llano/
I'm wondering, Bulldozer is so sad already, kenot brain Piledriver already.  blink.gif
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Trinity is dual module right?

If final silicon faster than the A8 by 20% on the CPU at the same power draw, then that's already pretty good.
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post Nov 1 2011, 05:27 PM

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http://semiaccurate.com/2011/10/27/amd-far...e-gpu-pictured/

Same image as in the above post.

Looks like a possible third generation APU to me. The article tag is a tease: HD8000.

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post Nov 2 2011, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(SushiBurgerX @ Nov 2 2011, 01:53 PM)
an multi core archicteture which is not supported by windows 7
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The only way this can be AMD's fault is if they didn't push Microsoft to get their OS working properly for these CPUs. They fare a lot better in comparisons against Sandy Bridge on Linux.

Will agree on the other parts though, too much bloat on this processor that isn't used at all on any desktop like the extra interconnects.
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post Nov 14 2011, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Nov 14 2011, 03:31 PM)
dat would be Sandy bridge E... biggrin.gif
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And that would also be Intel's version of Bulldozer.

IPCPC same as normal SB? Expected. More heat and power consumption than Bulldozer? Unexpected. (source)

I think I understand why AMD can price the FX-8150 that much now. They don't regard 2500K/2600K buyers as their real competition (although they should be).

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post Nov 14 2011, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(Eugene91 @ Nov 14 2011, 05:58 PM)
Well.. that's how far the Bulldozer have to catch up.. not even near the i5 2500k..  shocking.gif
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We already knew Bulldozer is miles behind in lightly threaded programs against SB.

What I'm actually disappointed now is it seems the 3960X also has many of the same flaws as the FX-8150: high heat, high power consumption and price not justifiable for many of us PC hardware enthusiasts.

I guess now the future is really between AMD A series APUs vs. Intel's socket 11xx processors. Hopefully AMD steps up to the game (and also make GPU-less processor chips at midrange price points).
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post Dec 6 2011, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(k!nex @ Dec 5 2011, 07:16 PM)
K series of Llano

Do you guys think its too late to launch the unlocked multiplier version of Llano??? FM1 is a dead end socket right?
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Well, if they release an Athlon 631X Black Edition at its cheap price, I'm sure there are many enthusiasts who will disagree...

QUOTE(jonchai @ Dec 6 2011, 07:30 AM)
New update: AMD has decided to stop shipping Phenom IIs and focus their firepower on BD and Llano. It will take around half a year for Phenom IIs to run dry. Those on Athlon, time to upgrade.
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They need to ramp up Trinity production to meet OEM demand, since the 45nm and 32nm chips are produced in the same facility.

Here's an interesting thing to ponder: some rumours suggest a Piledriver-derived CPU in the Xbox 720. Would this make AMD the CPU for gamers again, due to future console ports being more optimized for their architecture?
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post Dec 6 2011, 10:11 PM

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If you want integrated graphics that can do games at 720p smoothly, the A8 is a pretty good buy.

FX-4100 is only better if you don't care about the power consumption AND if you're going to overclock it a lot.

If the integrated graphics isn't for games, and you're not overclocking, the i3 2100 is a much better buy since its processor is faster than those two AMD ones at stock speeds.
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post Dec 27 2011, 07:46 PM

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If only a single Bulldozer module is running, it will hit max turbo boost.
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post Jan 5 2012, 03:35 PM

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1) Windows 7 scheduler sucks on Bulldozer. See benchmarks on Win7 vs those on Linux and the Win8 preview.
2) Lower IPCPC compared to Bulldozer. The design was supposed to allow higher clockspeeds to compensate for that but they failed to meet that target.
3) Like how SB-E is versus normal SB in terms of performance vs power, Bulldozer has weaker energy efficiency at peak versus SB due to the big chip.
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post Jan 5 2012, 03:52 PM

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Sorry but you'd got to dream with getting such power consumption on a bloated server chip repackaged for the desktop with higher clockspeeds. If you want an energy efficient Bulldozer, either AMD needs to build another chip that trims out unused parts of the chip (similar to i7-3820 being a smaller chip than i7-3930), or wait for Trinity APU.
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post Jan 17 2012, 05:39 PM

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post May 10 2012, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(Boldnut @ May 10 2012, 01:47 PM)
P4 era is AMD perfect opportunity to gain share, they screw it hard.
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How did they screw it hard? AFAIK, they had the Athlon 64 and X2s ate everything up till the Core 2 launch.

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