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post Aug 20 2010, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(bryan_823 @ Aug 20 2010, 06:35 PM)
Hi guys, some questions on restoring backups. (I just rooted and flashed custom ROM)

Before flashing to new ROM I have backuped apps + data using Titanium backup and MyBackUp pro.

1) I want to restore back all apps which previously installed, the apps data and phone settings. Which program I should use for restore? Titanium or MyBackup Pro? If I use Titanium back which restore option I should choose?

2) I have imported all my contacts back, however, the contact links to FB were all lost. Any way to restore back the contacts link to FB or I have to manually link them 1 by 1 manually?

Please advise, thanks.  smile.gif
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Both are equally good. IF you are using TB - if you are on a new and different rom, deselect all the red items. If you used My Bavkup PRo - look thro the list of backups - if you have selected system file s backup it'd appear , similarly as in TB, deselect those system apps to avoid conflict and ooverride the new rom files. I find both software very good and I used it interchangeably , but I prefer My Backup Pro

When you google sync all the contacts link will be restored back - make sure in your People/or Contacts you have selected sync with Facebook contacts


Added on August 20, 2010, 6:43 pm
QUOTE(LuffyPSP @ Aug 20 2010, 05:45 PM)
Just tried Papago X5...yeeha i'm loving it!

though Brut map is more user friendly(to me at least), the maps are great. it even shows my college location in my uni..biggrin.gif
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The Msian maps assocaited with papago are outdated compared to Google's BRUT versions


Added on August 20, 2010, 6:47 pm
QUOTE(yeokeeyie @ Aug 20 2010, 04:56 PM)
can someone teach me how to create new partition ? and wat are the differences between no ext and with ext ? and now ext4 .. blur with this
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Create partition easiset way use ROM Manager or Anon Recovery. This is from XDA forum explaining SD ext :

You have an SD card in your phone and, a bit like normal PC Hard Drives, you can "partition" them (split them into two or more sections of different filesystems). Normally, your SD card is just one big FAT32 partition, which is fine for storing your pics, messages, emails, etc.
Now, other then your Phone's SD card, your phone will have its own internal flash memory (or "NAND") storage. Tradditionally with Android, you could only install applications to this NAND storage, you cannot install them onto your SD card. So if you have an empty 32GB SD card, but only 5Mb of internal phone storage, you still wont be able to install many apps, if any at all.
This was done to protect the apps from things like piracy - it's not easy to access the location where apps are installed on your phone's internal storage (normally impossible without root), so you can't for example buy an app, copy it, refund it, then install it again.

Still, this is no good for those of us who like to install lots and lots of apps, legitimately, as we run out of internal storage very quickly.

So Google came up with a way to install apps to the SD card. A folder is created called something like .android_secure and this stores (I believe) encrypted versions of applications, but there's a few catches:

1) Apps aren't automatically stored here, you have to manually "move" them
2) Not all apps are capable of being moved, in fact most apps aren't, the developer needs to update their app and allow it. Some apps aren't and wont be updated and some developers may not want to allow it for whatever reason.
3) Not all app data is moved, most of it is but some data is left on your phone so many people still run out of internal storage quickly.
4) You can force ALL apps to be moved to this area by default, but it breaks incompatible ones - such as Widgets, which are unable to load due to the SD card not being "prepared".

So that's Froyo's version. Before Froyo existed, some very clever people came up with a thing called "Apps2SD". Remember I said that your SD card normally is one big FAT32 partition? Well, Apps2SD works by having your SD card patitioned into TWO filesystems. A normal FAT32 partition for your usual stuff and a secondary "EXT" partition. EXT is just a filesystem, like FAT32 or NTFS, but it's the filesystem used by Android internally. The SD card is normally FAT32 because it's a "universal" filesystem, that just about any machine will be able to read, whereas EXT filesystems are generally Linux only, but I digress.
EXT has several different versions. The most common one you'll see is ext3. The main difference between ext2 and ext3 is "journaling", which is just a fancy way of saying that should an operation (such as copying, writing or reading) be interrupted unexpectedly (say, by you turning your phone off), then no data should be lost or corrupted. You know how when you turn your phone on, it says "preparing SD card"? It takes a few minutes, but what it's actually doing is checking that the FAT32 partition hasn't been damaged, because FAT does NOT have journaling. If you used a computer back in the Windows 98 days, you may remember that lovely blue "Scandisk" screen that had to run every time you didn't shut your computer down correctly - that's the same thing. But then Windows 2000/XP came along with NTFS, which also has journaling, meaning you had less chance of loosing data. But I digress once more.
So you have your SD card partitioned into EXT and FAT32. Generally it doesn't matter if it's ext3 or ext4, but you don't get any real advantage with ext4 over ext3 in this instance.Apps2SD then runs a special script on your phone which "symbolically links" the folder from your phone's internal storage where your apps are normally stored, to the ext partition on your SD card. A symbolic link is a bit like a shortcut for folders, except it's transparent to the OS: In other words, Android doesn't know that when it's installing it's apps to the internal phone storage, it's actually being stored on the SD card. This effectively boosts your internal phone memory from the previous 5mb that you had in my example above, up to whatever size you made the ext partition on your SD card (often 512Mb or 1Gb, but it depends on how many apps you install).
Plus, because it's "journaled", it doesn't need to be "prepared", meaning it's ready to go as soon as the phone starts - so your widgets and apps work immediately (unlike "forced" FroyoApps2SD, where widgets disappear).

The catch with Apps2SD is that whatever space the ext partition takes up is taken away from the SD card. So if you have a 4Gb card (with something like 3.5Gb of actual storage) and you make a 512Mb ext partition, your SD card will "shrink" to 3Gb. The space isn't actually lost, it's just being used by the ext partition. If you reformat your card, you'll get it back.

Finally, there's a difference between "Apps2SD" and "Apps2SD+". Remember I said that your apps are stored on a special folder inside your Phone's NAND storage? Well, that was a bit of a lie. It's actually stored in TWO places. There's a second area which is called the Davlik Cache. You don't really need to worry about what this is for (Hint: IT's to do with the Java runetime your phone uses to run apps), all you need to know is that apps use it to store data, which also eats up internal phone memory. Apps2SD+ moves davlik cache to the ext partition on your SD card as well, freeing up even more space. Some people believe that this may come at the cost of performance, as the internal NAND memory should be faster than your SD card (Which is why you also get people arguing over which "class" SD card is better for Apps2SD - the logic being that a faster SD card means less impact from this move), but the truth of the matter is that your applications will be running from your Phone's RAM anyway, so performance isn't really impacted at all. Since most apps are only a few hundred Kb's in size, or a couple of MB at the most, it's a non-issue.

Finally, any recent version of Apps2SD/Apps2SD+ should work with an SD card that is or isn't formatted with an ext partition. It'll check for this partition when your phone first boots and if it's not there, just use internal phone storage.
Having an ext partition WITHOUT Apps2SD+ shouldn't cause any issues, either, so you can format your SD card whenever you're ready.

So in summary:

Apps2SD "fakes" your phone's internal memory and puts it all on a hidden section of your SD card.
Apps2SD+ pushes even more content to the SD card, freeing up even more space on the phone itself.
"Froyo" Apps2SD has various limitations that "old" apps2SD does not, but is much easier to handle as it doesn't involve any kind of "partitioning".

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post Aug 22 2010, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(bryan_823 @ Aug 22 2010, 11:44 AM)
Hi guys, Im on NextSense5.3 custom ROM with A2SD+, still wondering how does the A2SD+ works actually.

I have installed some apps and noticed (From Quick System info) following:
1) Some apps are entirely installed into A2SD. (A2SD storage was decreased, no changes on Internal memory)
2) Some apps are installed into A2SD but also decreases slightly on Internal memory.
3) Some apps (Eg Rock player v7) are installed entirely on internal memory. (No changes on A2SD storage at all)
4) Some apps (Eg Rock player v7) has the option to "Move to SD card" (From setting > manage application). Should I move to SD card for such apps which have this option? It will move to FAT32 in the SD card right? (So the A2SD partition and internal memory storage will not be affected which in a way will safe more space?)

Anyone can advise? thanks.  smile.gif
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When apps are installed onto card, some files are installed into phone memory. Similar to Windows - when you install say a program in D drive, some files will be install into , say windows/system folder. Those apps that are not installed on card, you can force move it over . Some apps being incompatible will still work with such force move, but you might see a blank icon if you put it as a shortcut on homescreen
All system apps and widgets must be install in phone memory
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Aug 22 2010, 11:15 AM)
I wonder.
Now i'm running on FroYo 2.2..

How can i install an apps into SD card by default as I'm seriously running outta space in my internal memory >"<
Or perhaps move the apps into SD card?

Maybe its time to get a Galaxy instead ~.~
Comes with 8gb internal memory no need me so emo find free space >"<
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You should check the features of your rom to see how you can install on card. Normally those roms that features apps to SD onto sd ext, will be auto install over to card.
Only those roms that allow apps to SD on card ie the FAT32 portion - you might have to manually force shift it - check settings/applications - and move it over to card from there.

Some roms built in a ModInstall program - it is either display in menu or hidden in spare parts - before you install - tick the options you want : Auto or Internal memory or card.
If you choose auto, most of the older apps will install in phone as most probably the developer had not changed it to allow install on card. In such apps, after you install use force move over to card at settings/applications
Normally when I see such roms with modinstall, what I normally do is to install all apps on card and after complete, I force move over to phone memory those apps that need to be in memory eg widgets, system apps
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QUOTE(Cynox @ Aug 22 2010, 12:18 PM)
hi, when I just rooted and flash the rom (Nextsense 5.3), I saw  the market anabler app.  I click on it but nothing happen.  Now it is gone from the app listing and my Market still does not show Pay app, what's wrong?
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Try use MarketAccess, a free app - is a very much better alternative, infact is an enhanced version of Market Enabler. ME is known to be incompatible with some roms but not MarketAccess. If you use market enabler, when you select the Telco, you have to hold down the telco name so that a prompt box will appear for you to select it
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QUOTE(jonjon87 @ Aug 24 2010, 07:47 AM)
i manage to flash next sense, then i proceeded to flashing the radio, while it reboots, it was stuck at the HTC screen for very long 15 mins +, so i yank out the battery, and i can never get past the htc screen now
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Never take out battery when flashing especially with radio. If you encountered such, and unit freeze unable to switch off, best solution is just let the battery die over few hours. Then recharge it full and try again. I have a friend who did a recovery when battery only 20% charge - this is unwise and as expected unit freeze at the htc logo. It is wise to have at least battery 70% charged before flashing any new rom.

Depending on rom types, some might take 5 to 10 mins to fully boot. Must have patience just let it run it's course. If after more than 10 mins still no respond, you have a hung situation.

I also advised that it is a good standard practice to wipe clean cache, data, dalvik, sd ext before flash new rom. With either titanium backup or my backup restore of data is so easy. Or if you are using anon recovery, a android backup is easy and restore is always 100% good incase you need restore back to original rom before flash
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QUOTE(wkyoong @ Aug 25 2010, 09:21 AM)
Hmm.. coz the seller said the receipt is not necessary. According to the SIS website:

" If you have misplaced your receipt, HTC will consider the warranty coverage to have started based on the date your device was shipped from the factory."

Anyone here who can confirm this?
Oh and really need to get a new SP. Mine was bundled with a matt SP and its a little too thick and makes the screen a little blurry  sweat.gif
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Correct , no need receipt. About 3 years ago, I sent in my KL purchased HTC phone to htc Spore Harbour Court. They just key in Serial number and onspot could see warranty expiry date. Best of all replace the motherboard FOC, I only pay transport costs going there. I see same type of acceptance for Apple products - ipod bought in UK, service in KL also FOC and I don't have receipt . But cannot say same thing for Samsung and Nokia - no receipt, sorry lah !

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QUOTE(Cynox @ Aug 27 2010, 11:21 AM)
all i heard is ext3 is better than ext2.  you can choose not to upgrade. Ext4 is actually the best in linux but some say using ext4 in android will sometime backfire and cause the system to slow down.

I think they are like a file system for linux, maybe is like what FAT32 is better than FAT.  This is just my noob understanding.  blush.gif  You can google these and read for yourself.
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Most rom cooks utilize ext 3 ; only rare ones used ext 4. Read up the features of the rom and see whether is mentioned which sd ext is needed. If not mentioned, use ext 3 as standard. Don't use ext 4 unlesss explicity mentioned is needed cos if you do your installs will not be successful
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QUOTE(pluginbaby @ Sep 3 2010, 01:17 PM)
sold my desire last night.. the desire will be remembered for serving me awesomely great for all these time ive been using it smile.gif
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Sad. Replace with what phone ?
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QUOTE(CKHong @ Sep 4 2010, 10:49 AM)
how do we remove the partition in the sd ext ?
i've created 512mb partition before and wanted to make it 1gb sd ext using amon ra... previously i'm creating the 512mb by using Rom Manager
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Once you select Partition sdcard - Partition card - it will allows you auto format your card
After that you can then reset your partition size

Wipe sd ext only clear contents NOT remove the partion. I wish to highlight that some rom cooks develop poor roms which when installed on SD ext cannot be clear out even with wiping procedure. In flashing new roms , it is more critical to wipe clean data, cache, dalvik cache

Actually 1GB is huge; android apps very small, unlike Windows. Unless you plan install more than 100 apps , the 1 GB space is excessive and waste of space

Please use only one method. Both Anon and Rom Manager is equally good ; up to one taste which you like.


Added on September 4, 2010, 11:24 am
QUOTE(stargazer_7 @ Sep 4 2010, 05:15 AM)
I'm new to Android and I have been reading alot about rooting and all those stuff. I just rooted my phone successfully but with one question.
I don't really understand how the A2SD+ works. I have created an ext partition through ROM Manager. Then? How do I make my apps automatically installed in my SD card?
Sorry if the question has been asked. I cant find it anywhere.
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Read POST #2 . The mods has explain and my comments there too. Actually all buyers who are niot familiar should read post # 1 and # 2 where all the basics are covered there. The mods has spend time and effort posting it. I notice same questions ask all over again by new users when you can get it all just by reading post 1 and post 2

I see same problem in iphone and windows mobile forums. All mods in these forums had done a very good job putting up all the basics and links but sad, most newbies do not bother to read and keep asking same old questions - how to do this or how to do that again and again. I suggest newbies ask when you cannot find answers there and after a " SEARCH"

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QUOTE(CKHong @ Sep 4 2010, 07:58 PM)
emm just happen to me..
i open titanium backup, it says cannot get the superuser permission... then force close...
still wondering got related to the amon ra thingy o not ~ ?
cus yesterday i just put in the amon ra thingy into my phone ~
now trying to restart my phone ~
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Anon is just a recovery. It has no effect at all on any software you install

Is your phone rooted? Titanium only work on rooted phone. If rooted after you launch titanium, execute the problem tab. It will update new files over. Infact when you first start titanium it will prompt you to execute the problem tab

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QUOTE(ltw2004 @ Sep 9 2010, 12:43 PM)
want to ask something, some of the widget install into sd card, but when reboot, it failed to load o..
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All widgets is meant to install internal memory not sd card
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Those who bought the desire/or Nexus and not the Galaxy S can rejoice ; I feel the Desire ( or Nexus variant ) is much better and my comments here, post # 1016

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1553305/+1000

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