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 PROTON SAGA BLMCLUB V11, version eleven

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post Feb 18 2011, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(Amanda85 @ Feb 18 2011, 03:50 PM)
i experience that same 'hollow vibrating' sound also. i send to mechanic, they check and said got no problem, he even test drive my car (but the sound didn't come out when he drove it  wink.gif )
and another problem is the squeeky sound from the break in the morning when i reversing my car. my dad said 'aiyah, is normal wan la' and he said no need to fix it. is it alright not to fix the break squeeky sound? will it cause more problem to my car later?
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Don't worry, squeeky sound is 'normal' for drum brake.
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post Feb 19 2011, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(WShaun @ Feb 19 2011, 11:01 AM)
Brought to sc today... They say mounting no problem... Blabla.. Say Saga BLM damper not good enough, is like that... What to do next?


Added on February 19, 2011, 11:03 am

I made appointment to check again next week, today already packed... They want to increase the fuel intake... How about FC ??!!  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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Don let them tune the fuel intake. As long as ur idling is 800-900rpm is ok adi. You will regret later if u increase it. doh.gif
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post Feb 19 2011, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(WShaun @ Feb 19 2011, 11:11 AM)
So the problem is Saga Campro engine no good? No solution !?  vmad.gif
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No good in terms of FC.

Any of ur friend got auto BLM as well? test drive their car, if same vibration, then should be 'not' a problem, but only urs like that, bring to another SC for checking.

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post Feb 19 2011, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 19 2011, 01:36 PM)
posted here edi?


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The A pillar is dented. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(MildLO @ Feb 20 2011, 01:36 PM)
Hi, im just bought a Saga Fl about a week ago,

i just want to ask a few questions about the  air conditioner system..

What causes the sound of the front bonnet when i start the engine and then on the air conditioner and suddenly i hear sounds like kretakak?( i dont know what this sound) and vooooomm( sound of air cond right?  sweat.gif )

the sound is a bout 5-10 seconds..and then it will dissappear/silent..., this happened when the engine in cold..

after i drive and then off the engine and on again (the air cond), there is no sound like i mention before, ("kretaktak"), the vooooooom sound is normal as i know its the sound of air conditioner (I think sweat.gif )

but some time i also hear the " kretaktak" sound when i drive and on the air conditioner, i think its the sound of the front bonnet holder loose.. it is right or other things??  sweat.gif

Each time i drive and on the air conditioner, it must feel like "tersengguk" or "shocked" some kind of oil suddenly stuck for a while ....

if i close the air conditioner, the sound will be ok and there is no tersengguk or shocked ..

What are the possible problem?  sad.gif

is there something loose? sad.gif
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Normal.

That was aircon compressor kick in sound.

The 'shocked' feel is due to compressor kick in as well, because the compressor is too powerful to be used in such small cc engine.
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post Feb 20 2011, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(MildLO @ Feb 20 2011, 07:24 PM)
hi bro, never slam it before, im open and lift it down slowly and then lock it down, coz its new, im still care about it wub.gif

dunno what the problems is, can the sc check it for me?
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Better don't push the hood with force, the hood will be dented easily, i'm victim of that. wub.gif

Just lift it higher (no need too high, 10-15cm is more than enough) and let go ur hand. Slam not necessary with brute force.

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post Feb 22 2011, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(MildLO @ Feb 21 2011, 09:59 PM)
hi,

sorry to ask for the second time,when i on the aircond when slowing down, i hear sound like "gruk!" and then grek2 a while and then all ok, it is ok right? the gruk2 sound and grek2.. sweat.gif
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Your description is funny, like bomb explosion.

Normal 'gud'...

This compressor is damn powerful, but break in torque is very high, around 35Nm of torque consume to start the compressor, which is mechanical loss, and suitable for 1600cc and above car, but not our 1.3 campro.

During slowdown let say @ <2k rpm, our engine only produce ~90-100Nm torque, thats why when compressor kickin, you will feel jerk (especially manual), torqueless becos >30% torque suddenly took away by compressor.
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QUOTE(lhwj @ Feb 22 2011, 01:43 PM)
Yes the air cond jerk is the most annoying thing about this car, especially in first or second gear. I tend to switch off the compressor while driving about in carparks due to this issue.

Any idea if a voltage stabiliser will help to minimise the jerk when the compressor kicks in?
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VS help a little, because during compressor on, there are some voltage dip, VS can help to minimised the voltage dip, but the loss is mainly due to mechanical rather than electrical, so you might not be able to notice the improvement.


Added on February 22, 2011, 5:20 pm
QUOTE(lhwj @ Feb 22 2011, 02:11 PM)
Actually based on coolkwc's explanation the jerk is due to the sudden load of torque transferred to the compressor while kicking in. I only suggested the voltage stabiliser because on other cars I notice that the headlights dip a bit too when the compressor kicks in (dunno about our BLM).

So I'm guessing what's really needed is a clutch to transfer the torque gradually to the compressor? The car is still more than powerful enough for me when the compressor is running, but I really can't stand the jerk.
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So far noticed on Myvi, Camry, Altis. City light will dim when compressor kickin, i would say almost all cars. But this is normal, in real world, sudden current suck will cause the voltage to drop, thats why we have Vdroop in PC CPU, and compensator to auto compensate the voltage drop. Unfortunate our cheap BLM didn't come with this equipment.

I drove Myvi manual before, jerk like hell in low gear as well, which is same as BLM. But not for BLM auto and Myvi auto. My guess is the torque converter 'absorb' the sudden kick from the compressor, thats why the jerking feel is minimized, but it also fulfill the theory that torque converter is less efficient in torque transferring compare to manual clutch, isn't it? smile.gif

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post Feb 22 2011, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(MildLO @ Feb 22 2011, 05:23 PM)
manual bro, i just got the car for 2-3 days before this, the stereng cover gegar a lil bit sweat.gif
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Sorry to say that the steering cover is suck in nature, it vibrate and come out noise when ride on bumpy road or speedline, i noticed this one after few days i got my car. Solution? i open that cover and insert a lot of sponges in the empty space, problem solve immediately. Don't hope the SC can help you, replace with new one absolutely won't help.
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QUOTE(koh_424 @ Feb 22 2011, 05:22 PM)
Yes VS sure will help little. But still feel the car is hard to push when aircond kick in. Mayb due to our BLM compressor version is bigger so it takes more voltage to generate.
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Electric is just used to connect the compressor magnetic clutch to the flywheel, after all the compressor rotating power is supplier by engine torque, so there is nothing to do with compressor size or power. Our compressor is Sanden SD7H15, top of SD7 family, piston type, well known damn cold aircon, even better than famous Nippon Denso, you can go to search their main website. But the draw back is it need higher torque from the engine to drive it.

Maybe next time when ur compressor is kong, u can replace with relatively less powerful compressor such as SD7H13 or even SD7B10, i think is more than enough, because even now the ori compressor is damn powerful, >90% i only use hottest (lowest dial position) temp and slowest fan speed.


Added on February 22, 2011, 5:52 pm
QUOTE(MildLO @ Feb 22 2011, 05:39 PM)
ic, thanks for the tips bro, just now i want to make sure what is gegar at the front of bonnet without on the air cond, im still searching where the sound come from laugh.gif
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I suspect something inside rather than outside ur car. If you can hear the bonnet sound then u need to be ready the bonnet will fly away at high speed. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(AmeiN @ Feb 22 2011, 06:28 PM)
ur sa dont teach u? my sa teach me how to closed bonet, she said must lift bit higher then release ur hand.
waaaah..sooo cexy when shes do like that for 2-3 time drool.gif  drool.gif
btw, anybody hear sound sometime at front passenger? i always "pasang telinga cool.gif " to detect where that sound cme from but  doh.gif  sweat.gif
anybdy face same problem?
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laugh.gif laugh.gif at bold part.

U have to troubleshoot that sound for urself, as BLM got alot of 'sound' tongue.gif
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QUOTE(khiat999 @ Feb 23 2011, 10:08 AM)
would like the pros out there to help me with these!!!

how to do a soundproofing for my car, diy! where to buy? where to start from? how to do? just feel like wanna less noisier which can makes our blm better ideal car. anyone out there had made diy their own? any comment?
> an additional is should i install a "bullet" in between the exhaust system which people normally do to increase hp or sorts of...
does this help much in FC? pls comment..
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My car is heavily soundproof, yet it can't eliminate all the noise, especially tyre noise. The final solution for me is to change tyre 7k km more later.

Ok, basically BLM noise can be divided in 3 categories.

1. Tyre and road noise. (most severe)
2. Engine noise.
3. Part vibration noise such as dashboard, power windows bracket, door lock mechanism and all the plastic things inside your cabin.

So far my countermeasure for that:
1. Soundproof fender and plastic wheel arc. Done at acc shop - reduce front tyre noise effectively, and reduce engine noise and wind noise coming through the fender as well.

2. Whole floor and boot soundproof and deadening. This can reduce tyre noise effectively, and road noise echo is eliminated. Front floor soundproof depends how deep they extend into firewall, for my case, after soundproof the engine noise is reduce gain. Whole floor done outside, while boot area DIY.

3. All doors 3 layer deadening and 1 layer soundproof. Front door soundproof can reduce engine noise, front tyre noise and wind noise effectively, and this kind of heavily deadening totally eliminate the rattling sound of the door and power windows, this can't be done by just apply insufflex. Door soundproof is DIY, i will say, damn tiring.

4. Cheapest way to reduce engine, tyre and wind noise, change your door soundproof rubber, you can search at Chinese Cari forum, that one is OEM rubber, fit perfectly and not like the sticker type that sold at automotive garage here. I would say the C/P ratio for this one is the most highest one.

Now only left firewall, will left it 1st, because now my car engine noise is reduced almost 50% after i done all the soundproof and deadening above. The remaining one is tyre low frequency noise.

All the work above is done gradually over 4 months.
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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Feb 23 2011, 02:05 PM)
but its, kinda, loose blink.gif
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What mean by 'loose'? I found it very 'tight'. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(SnoWFisH @ Feb 23 2011, 02:48 PM)
I plan to get a Saga FL 1.3 Auto soon (still deciding between Standard or Exec), cuz its within my budget. I'm currently driving a Wira 1.6 Auto (1995). I wonder what will be the differences I should expect? I need to drive up and down Genting quite frequently, so this car should be able to do the job right? (from KL-karak highway and also via Batang Kali). Usually will drive the car 2 ppl only. Budget is about 40-45k.
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Saga >100kg more heavier than Wira
Wira is 1.6L while Saga is 1.3L

So what you expect?

I will suggest you buy Persona rather Saga, else you will suffer in terms of FC and power with Saga.
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QUOTE(DaBestOne @ Feb 23 2011, 04:29 PM)
Waaa.... Interesting... 100KG man...how come that much heavier? hmm.gif in my mind I am even thinking that Saga might be a lighter car... Anyway, overall a lighter car is considered better or?
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For me Wira 1.6L auto -> Saga 1.3L auto consider downgrade. Especially he always travel to Genting.

I think Campro engine contribute to the extra weight, becos is alloy. hmm.gif

In terms of weight,

Saga = Vios,
Wira = Myvi.

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QUOTE(sa10 @ Feb 24 2011, 08:42 AM)
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Not yet la, 2300+ posts only, must reach 2.5k first. doh.gif
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QUOTE(khiat999 @ Feb 24 2011, 09:20 AM)
pros out there pls help.

there's some shaking noise coming out from my dashboard. do you all know how to take it out in order to stuff some sponge to prevent it from making noise.

by the way i've stuff some rags into the steering space to stop the noise of it and it works, does this act harms the steering function? the horn still work.


Added on February 24, 2011, 9:23 amand by the way i change my steel rim to 14" spoon rim (not ori), and it rocks man. the car is totally in control and handling is awesome..... really enjoy it man.

but my driver door is too loose, always open finish whenever i open it, sigh.
i've told the sc at first service and they answer me its like tht de la.......
the other three doors are diff from this driver door, tight.

how har?
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Dashboard area no solution yet, no one dare to open it, its complicated and not as easy as the steering cover.
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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Feb 24 2011, 01:05 PM)
Same goes to Wira and Waja I presume?
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In short, BLM gear level is too long, and too tight...quick shift need alot of effort, i suffer 'collide gear' several times adi, becos i thought it 'should' engaged adi, but not, until i release my clucth, too late...krak krakkkkkk... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(lhwj @ Feb 24 2011, 01:01 PM)
Oh my gosh.
http://www.sanden.com/index.php?tag=SD7E

Never knew our compressor is so badass ohmy.gif

(okay okay, I know this is the Enhanced model, but still...)
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Next time change this to ur car, then can become refrigerator adi. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Daniel's @ Feb 24 2011, 11:16 PM)
Hello boys and girls. Over the other day mt friend Saga FL tyre puncture. The car is like 2 month old, so the question now is getting a replacement tyre, should I advise my friend to get the new tyre from Proton or outside tyre shop or just have the tyre patch up. Going to fix tomorrow.
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Tyre no warranty la. doh.gif

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