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post Aug 12 2010, 01:15 PM, updated 16y ago

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Anyone know how actually we can get higher score in league game?
I think we get more score if we win streak? influence by the league bonus pool?

And how the losing score is calculated? Seems +ve score get from winning is more than -ve score from the lost game.


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post Aug 12 2010, 01:19 PM

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in the loading screen at the top you can see whether you and the opponent are evenly match or not, by ladder points, if both teams are evenly match the score will be 11 points only (win or lose),

if you are slightly favored(means you have more points) you will win only 8 points but if you lose, you will lose around 16 points while your opponent gain 16.

and no you don;'t get more points from streak.

bonus pool is points for not playing for a limited amount of time.
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post Aug 12 2010, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(ExCrIpT @ Aug 12 2010, 01:19 PM)
in the loading screen at the top you can see whether you and the opponent are evenly match or not, by ladder points, if both teams are evenly match the score will be 11 points only (win or lose),

if you are slightly favored(means you have more points) you will win only 8 points but if you lose, you will lose around 16 points while your opponent gain 16.

and no you don;'t get more points from streak.

bonus pool is points for not playing for a limited amount of time.
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i c thanks, will check on that on the loading page, ussually not care who are them just play for fun
I ussually win total 20+ to 30 score, thanks to bonus pool (but lose max is 8 only lol, thats why wondering how come the score system a bit strange)

So does it means in a league there are already a fixed amount score setup initially to be collected by player, and score won't be keep increasing like inflation when new player joining?

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post Aug 12 2010, 01:37 PM

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Yup. It's fixed. The only thing that helps you to gain more points is the bonus pool, that is to allow you to catch up with other players if you've been inactive for a while.

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post Aug 12 2010, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(incx @ Aug 12 2010, 01:37 PM)
Yup. It's fixed. The only thing that helps you to gain more points is the bonus pool, that is to allow you to catch up with other players if you've been inactive for a while.
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i c, thanks. then i should only wait the bonus pool to refill back >200 only start to play it, now only left 2 bonus pool....
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post Aug 12 2010, 02:38 PM

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How do u see all this info in the bnet there?
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post Aug 12 2010, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(popcorn513 @ Aug 12 2010, 02:28 PM)
i c, thanks. then i should only wait the bonus pool to refill back >200 only start to play it, now only left 2 bonus pool....
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no point, you'd gain more by playing more anyways. the bonus pool is meant for people who cant keep playing and give them a bonus so they dont get left too far behind.

also, per division within a league has ~100 players. and the amount of score helps determine how you are ranked within the division. and if you get promoted or demoted, your score goes back to zero within that league/division


Added on August 12, 2010, 3:31 pm
QUOTE(ericpires @ Aug 12 2010, 02:38 PM)
How do u see all this info in the bnet there?
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when you win/lose a game

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post Aug 12 2010, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 12 2010, 03:30 PM)
no point, you'd gain more by playing more anyways. the bonus pool is meant for people who cant keep playing and give them a bonus so they dont get left too far behind.

also, per division within a league has ~100 players. and the amount of score helps determine how you are ranked within the division. and if you get promoted or demoted, your score goes back to zero within that league/division


Added on August 12, 2010, 3:31 pm

when you win/lose a game
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so if i want to stay in platinum league then i just make sure my rank is above 50 i shouldn't get demoted right?
Get demoted only when i rank near 100 and get demoted due to some gold rank replacing you?
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post Aug 12 2010, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(popcorn513 @ Aug 12 2010, 03:49 PM)
so if i want to stay in platinum league then i just make sure my rank is above 50 i shouldn't get demoted right?
Get demoted only when i rank near 100 and get demoted due to some gold rank replacing you?
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if you're worthy of being plat in bnet system, you rank 99 or 100 (cant go any lower AFAIK) and you'll still be in plat. you only get promoted or demoted based on the system's calculation of your actual "value" or "skill" or "score" depending on how you want to interpret this "value" that determines your league placing

a new gold rank promoted would simply take over any platters that gets demoted and placed in a rank based on a score of 0 and ranked accordingly as well. they wont just "kick you off"
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 12 2010, 04:52 PM)
if you're worthy of being plat in bnet system, you rank 99 or 100 (cant go any lower AFAIK) and you'll still be in plat. you only get promoted or demoted based on the system's calculation of your actual "value" or "skill" or "score" depending on how you want to interpret this "value" that determines your league placing

a new gold rank promoted would simply take over any platters that gets demoted and placed in a rank based on a score of 0 and ranked accordingly as well. they wont just "kick you off"
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well for the person who got demoted, for example a platter, his/her record would be 0 when back to gold??
which means he'll be staying at rank 100 in gold since his point is 0? or they keep a record of his point when he got promoted to plat?
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QUOTE(aLertz @ Aug 12 2010, 05:03 PM)
well for the person who got demoted, for example a platter, his/her record would be 0 when back to gold??
which means he'll be staying at rank 100 in gold since his point is 0? or they keep a record of his point when he got promoted to plat?
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score 0, but win/loss remains the same
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post Aug 12 2010, 06:09 PM

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I too have a question regarding the promotion and demotion within the league.
Lets say i am involved in a 2 v 2 team. How do i get promoted / demoted.

Do i have to be num 1 for a certain period of time in order to get promoted?

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QUOTE(mE_duNNo @ Aug 12 2010, 06:09 PM)
I too have a question regarding the promotion and demotion within the league.
Lets say i am involved in a 2 v 2 team. How do i get promoted / demoted.

Do i have to be num 1 for a certain period of time in order to get promoted?
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Lol i not really sure how the ranking work, but not nessecery to stay in num 1 for certain period, but your score must reach certain amount then you get promoted (how they calculate and justify no ideal tongue.gif )
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score, win/loss, how you win/lose, APM, etc etc

many many many factors that decides this by bnet system that is not revealed by blizzard. you want to go up, just be good. if you're not good, you go down. simple as that.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 12 2010, 06:30 PM)
score, win/loss, how you win/lose, APM, etc etc

many many many factors that decides this by bnet system that is not revealed by blizzard. you want to go up, just be good. if you're not good, you go down. simple as that.
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I thought bnet have the black and white info of how the league ranking system works, seems like we all are talk on experience.
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post Aug 13 2010, 02:59 AM

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QUOTE(popcorn513 @ Aug 12 2010, 06:33 PM)
I thought bnet have the black and white info of how the league ranking system works, seems like we all are talk on experience.
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there is no black and white so far as blizzard is worried of abuse; the whole system is to prevent pros bullying noobs, or pros getting fed up fighting noobs as they no challenge or noobs crying and quitin the game cuz they get owned by a buncha unit when they only have workers etc etc

and the experience is based off extensive playing through beta phase 1-2 and live.
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post Aug 22 2010, 05:55 PM

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is it possible ppl in bronze/silver sometimes randomly meet diamond/platinum in quickmatch.

bronze<silver<gold<diamond<platinum<pro right?
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If you win a favored player your points would be higher.
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post Aug 23 2010, 12:12 AM

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i have played 40 matches, all of them, opponent are favoured...what does that mean ?
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post Aug 23 2010, 02:37 AM

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mean ur opponent have a higher ranking point
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QUOTE(mE_duNNo @ Aug 12 2010, 06:09 PM)
I too have a question regarding the promotion and demotion within the league.
Lets say i am involved in a 2 v 2 team. How do i get promoted / demoted.

Do i have to be num 1 for a certain period of time in order to get promoted?
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No, i was mid table in my Gold Division when i got promoted to platinum. I think, when battle.net thinks you're ready, the server will match you up constantly against players above your rank. If you're platinum you'll play against diamond, maybe up to 6 or 7 straight game. It doesnt matter if you lose 6 straight game, you'll still be matched against diamond players. During this period you need to get 1 or 2 win to get promoted. My friend just got promoted to diamond league today. He was losing 6 straight match against diamond players, then on 7th match he won and got promoted.

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I got promoted from Silver to Gold league last time. But I can't cope with most of the Gold players and got relegated to Silver.. sad.gif
But I didn't remember about my points reset back to zero when I change league..
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post Aug 23 2010, 10:19 AM

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guys, if you want to know how to get promoted, check this out.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=118212
SC2 Ladder Analysis: What YOU Need to Know

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=142211
SC2 Ladder Analysis: Part 2


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post Aug 23 2010, 10:38 AM

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i wonder why I am against platinum player while I am placed in silver league most of the time, although I do have a surprise victory over platinum league player before but I serious doubt my capabilities there..
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QUOTE(RtP|DEV @ Aug 23 2010, 05:18 AM)
No, i was mid table in my Gold Division when i got promoted to platinum. I think, when battle.net thinks you're ready, the server will match you up constantly against players above your rank. If you're platinum you'll play against diamond, maybe up to 6 or 7 straight game. It doesnt matter if you lose 6 straight game, you'll still be matched against diamond players. During this period you need to get 1 or 2 win to get promoted. My friend just got promoted to diamond league today. He was losing 6 straight match against diamond players, then on 7th match he won and got promoted.
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doesnt have to be a win to be promoted. ive proven it by promotion to diamond during beta upon a loss. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(RtP|DEV @ Aug 23 2010, 05:18 AM)
No, i was mid table in my Gold Division when i got promoted to platinum. I think, when battle.net thinks you're ready, the server will match you up constantly against players above your rank. If you're platinum you'll play against diamond, maybe up to 6 or 7 straight game. It doesnt matter if you lose 6 straight game, you'll still be matched against diamond players. During this period you need to get 1 or 2 win to get promoted. My friend just got promoted to diamond league today. He was losing 6 straight match against diamond players, then on 7th match he won and got promoted.
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i got paired to 6 diamonds in a row, won 4 and i still didnt get promoted cry.gif
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Aug 23 2010, 02:07 PM)
i got paired to 6 diamonds in a row, won 4 and i still didnt get promoted  cry.gif
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a few matches for u i bet will land u on the diamond league. Wins of course..
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Aug 23 2010, 02:07 PM)
i got paired to 6 diamonds in a row, won 4 and i still didnt get promoted  cry.gif
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congratulations you are on your way!
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QUOTE(hazairi @ Aug 23 2010, 02:24 PM)
a few matches for u i bet will land u on the diamond league. Wins of course..
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come to think bout it, i've met 11 diamonds out of my 23 ladder games (after screwing up my placement to gold LOL)
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Aug 23 2010, 10:38 AM)
i wonder why I am against platinum player while I am placed in silver league most of the time, although I do have a surprise victory over platinum league player before but I serious doubt my capabilities there..
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ur gold no? and a tier above gold is platinum
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here proof. lol defeat.
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btw in my last 2 games against favored opponent, I won and got 46 points each.

is that the highest possible point available for victory?

*sorry. tried Google. can't find much details on this.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 4 2010, 11:53 AM)
btw in my last 2 games against favored opponent, I won and got 46 points each.

is that the highest possible point available for victory?

*sorry. tried Google. can't find much details on this.
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depends on league too. for example, victories in diamond would yield maybe 10 points even with bonus pool, while a bronze victory can yield like 24 + 24 bonus or something around there.

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point being, unless ur in diamonds, i wouldnt be worrying about league points. since if ur promoted, your ladder "rankings" get reset anyways.

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oh. yeah i'm in bronze. after some searching, i just found out my points has no relevance in my promotion. biggrin.gif gotta find time to play some.

 

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