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Group LYN Buddhism Retreat - SERIOUS TALK, No trolling please

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post Sep 20 2010, 05:07 PM

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lolx. like what? chinese girl boobs getting......... brows.gif
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post Sep 27 2010, 09:49 AM

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world buddhist conference was fun. laugh.gif
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post Sep 28 2010, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Sep 28 2010, 10:03 AM)
attended by all the major schools?
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major schools?what do u mean?

QUOTE(Misteri2010 @ Sep 28 2010, 10:17 AM)
I found out there are lot of different Buddhist nowadays, so which one u are saying?...My friends told me that they are Buddhist, I tot should be same with me then when I follow her to her home then only she told me she is Japanese Buddhist Society...she consulted me about her religion and it is actually different from our normal Buddhist...

then, I also found some other different Buddhist society but they are actually not the normal Buddhist..the god that they pray are different..I'm confuse rclxub.gif

for the Japanese Buddhist Society, they don't have the buddha patung...they only pray to the wood with the close door..and my friends told me that we are the Buddha..human actually is the real Buddha and they wont pray for people that are death...
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as long as the teachings are based on the 4 noble truths..then it is real Buddhism..
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post Sep 28 2010, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(Misteri2010 @ Sep 28 2010, 10:20 AM)
I read on their kitab suci..all written in Japanese..They din say Namo Amitabha..They say Namyo Horen Gekyo..

anyone know about this?
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read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimoku

it still refers to the teachings of the Sakyamuni Buddha.
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post Sep 28 2010, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Sep 28 2010, 10:30 AM)
Is this the one used by Tina Turner?? LOL

so it's not attended by major buddhist schools but Daimoku only?
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nonono..this was for misteri..

major buddhist schools..the organisers didn't 'label' we participants..technically there were people from 12 countries, who are Buddhist, and who are interested in Buddhism that attended the talk.
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post Jan 3 2011, 10:40 AM

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just bought a book on Dhammapada. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 25 2011, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(RigerZ @ Aug 25 2011, 10:53 PM)
Surely there must be at least one SJBA Youth member here right?
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You wanna join their activities? i can get their youth exco's contact for you smile.gif
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post Aug 25 2011, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(RigerZ @ Aug 25 2011, 10:59 PM)
provided the time and day is suitable for me lor... thats why I'm looking around for the members so I can ask them when they have their Youth Seekers Gathering.
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usually they have their meetings on sundays la...

i am currently collaborating with them to organise a buddhist camp for indonesians la. laugh.gif
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post Aug 27 2011, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(RigerZ @ Aug 25 2011, 11:42 PM)
huh, sundays... and the website said friday. what time are the meetings? hopefully not at night~
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I just asked the guy. It's on friday. at some place called de lot. @_@ it's above tutti frutti in SS15.

QUOTE(helload @ Aug 26 2011, 10:50 AM)
man having the thought of becoming nothingness scared the shit out of me...

I love this world's lifestyle too much biggrin.gif
Im an Indonesian, when will be the camp? and where?
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It will be at a temple in PJ...how old are you? This camp for uni students smile.gif
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post Aug 30 2011, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(RigerZ @ Aug 28 2011, 12:32 AM)
Yeah must be the same place that I found last time lor... Fridays ah, then should be still same time gua, from 7.30 to 10.30 pm. now one thing I sked is I hear about high crime rate in SS15, esp car kena break in and/or stolen. How I wanna park car in peace man @.@
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Honestly, i am more worried on whether i can find a parking or not on a friday night laugh.gif
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post Nov 18 2011, 10:11 PM

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Just bought a book.

Why I am a Buddhist by Stephen T.Asma biggrin.gif
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post Jan 8 2012, 07:03 PM

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Buddhism guide:

http://buddhanet.net/e-learning/qanda.htm
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post Jan 13 2012, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(chezzball @ Jan 13 2012, 10:28 AM)
coz when like at nite u kena sleep paralysis or so caled "ghost on top of u" then i say amitabha to like release it. but i sometime scold f words also can wohhh...
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QUOTE(hotjake @ Jan 13 2012, 10:34 AM)
it is not a ghost on top of you experience la, and amitabha or whatever has nothing to do in its cure. IT is a medical condition (forgot the name u go google) related to your brain and motor functions being temporarily disconnected from each other

not sure if you're trolling though  hmm.gif
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Sleep paralysis.
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post Jan 16 2012, 11:30 AM

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well..to be more optimistic... assuming you have not done any of the 5 great misdeeds and have generated enough good karma in your life time..i believe the stint in hell will be short one..
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post Jan 18 2012, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(hackwire @ Jan 18 2012, 01:23 PM)
is the pure form of buddhism temple actually located in brickfields? i just like to ask is it ok to refer buddha as lord? and is it ok for a buddhist center start doing singing session like in Church where teenagers singing with the christian tune in it and using the word lord. Are this organization ok or not in the perspective of buddhism fellowers?
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Errr what's your definition of 'pure form'?

Yeah we have referred the buddha as the lord for a very long time already and it has also been sung in multiple buddhist hymns. Buddhist hymns have long existed and buddhists have no problems with that....
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post Jan 18 2012, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(hackwire @ Jan 18 2012, 04:30 PM)
i don't know but isn't chinese buddhism has a little bit of tao in it? isn't joss stick praying is tao way?
my guess is that along the way when disciples are spreading buddhism, a lot of things have been accustomed to the culture of different region also. Than there's zen buddhism which is mostly practice in japan , right?
so wonder if either religion or philosophy teaching that  matters ?
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Tao is tao. buddhism is buddhism. The actual meaning of joss sticks in buddhism is actually a metaphor. In the olden olden days, the joss sticks that were used are fragrant one. So the smoke that they produce is also fragrant. This sweet smell represents the teachings of the dhamma lor. Nowadays all use ciplak joss sticks and most people use it for the sake of using it without knowing the actual meaning.

Buddhism very flexible one..that's why it is easily infused in other cultures...
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post Jan 18 2012, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(hackwire @ Jan 18 2012, 10:56 PM)
the reason i try to understand this is because chinese temples always have buddha statue, kuan yin statue, monkey god statue, ji kong statue , kuan kong statue etc...

and the buddhist temple in kota kemuning has kuan yin statue but their main hall is buddha. but during wesak day, they invited some burmese monk for giving blessing to the public... so i kinda confuse here to see some theravada monk also. Kuan yin is also consider a buddha also right?

so u c when we write our religion as buddhist in our Identification, the govt of malaysia actually recognized the person as buddhist. I wonder what other religion beside buddhist for chinese ? what other religion do u guys heard of beside buddhist?
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Kuan yin is a Bodhisattva and is considered one of Buddha's disciple... there are many other religions but for the chinese part the government only recognises buddhism/christianity/tao.. i think..


QUOTE(hackwire @ Jan 18 2012, 10:58 PM)
seem clear to me.. how do u describe chinese temples? what religion is that? burning papers, burn joss stick to heavenly god , giving out amulet as blessing, has medium  that do blessing and able to read the person destiny?
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chinese temples are mostly tao origins and infused with buddhism... you seem to be slightly mistaken.. in buddhism we do not believe in a single God (with a capital G).. or the creator of this world... but we do believe that there are thousands of gods in the heavenly realms with great powers and has done good deeds for the human realms...and till this day people still pay respect to these deities.. however whether you want to believe the existence of the deities is entirely up to you...

and by the way..burning papers is a chinese tradition and nothing to do with religion...
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QUOTE(hackwire @ Jan 18 2012, 11:35 PM)
Kuan yin is a buddha disciple? correct me if im wrong. ... kuan yin is in another part of the world call china if not mistaken. my guess is that this person have received the teaching from one of the buddha disciples right? he attain enlightenment after that which u call bodhisattva right? ok these mortal being such as siddartha gautama, kuan yin, chi kong (monk that eat meat),  etc had became deity which still exist in an unparalleled dimension . by the way, jesus is now one of them my guess is because he was a human being too before that and many others in the western world as well. All these normal being were like granted by the people and it's not their choice to become a deity. It's not for me or anyone to cast any doubt on them because they also never ask to become god or probably they don't even realize what they going to become after life.  So one cannot deny that deity is not around us anymore, so now i just pay my respect mostly for these deity.
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Believe it or not... during the Buddha times those well trained people have their own special abilities and distance is really not a problem... there are records of the Buddha travelling to heaven and hell to preach on his teachings as well...

And the Buddha himself eat meat...its just a misconception that monks can't eat meat... in those days the monks eat whatever that is given to them.. of course if its meat then there are certain rules to it... for example.. the meat that is served cannot be purposely killed to serve the monks... if let's say the people buy chicken meat from pasar.. and then coincidentally the monk came to their house to ask for food and they give him the meat..then its ok...

There is a difference being enlightened and a deity la.. a deity is someone who is borned in the heavenly realms... for example the jade king...as so forth...anybody can be enlightened... and yes we believe jesus is one of the Bodhisattva as well but christianity as taken so many twists and turns then we wouldn't know which is the real 'truth' anymore..
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post Jan 19 2012, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(hackwire @ Jan 18 2012, 11:58 PM)
oh ok! u mean deity are borned in the heavenly realm meaning ...? deity such as chi kong (mortal), monkey god (divine being), kuan kong(mortal),  , emperor of jade (divine being)etc...but they were all from China right?
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well....technically they are from the heavenly realms..just that people in china have the karma to spot them i guess... not too sure about this.. smile.gif

QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Jan 19 2012, 12:02 AM)
Unless I interpret things wrongly, I can never fathom why Buddhists ITT believes in deities. I personally think the original texts are not to be taken "seriously" and they serve as a literal meaning of the state of mind.

This is why taoism is often misunderstood. I can't be too sure with buddhism, can someone familiar with buddhism correct me if i'm wrong?
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Well in malaysia...taoism and buddhism are already quite heavily infused with chinese culture....

QUOTE(pandah @ Jan 19 2012, 12:06 AM)
hi, i hope you all don't mind i get in here.

i come to know that there are south stream of buddhism and also the north stream of buddhism, the south stream from india can eat meat as you mentioned, the north stream since the china dynasty one of the emperor thinks that it is not suitable for monk to do killing of animals in the temple, hence the rule that they are forbidden to eat meat. not really sure if this is the true history.

however in the ten rules, 'shi jie', it is mention don't kill/harm lives isn't it? 不杀生。

long time ago i had seen the discussion which is like this: if we are not to kill/harm, and hence become a vegetarian, if we are killing mosquitoes, ants etc isn't it life also? and also the bacteria, fungi, parasites etc, when we boil water millions of them died, how can we fulfill the teaching?

i understand it is impossible to not kill microbes, otherwise the contaminated food and drinks will kill us. i'm just curious if one is advising people to eat vege, how will you justify it?
for the second parts, just like islam claims jesus is one of the prophets, well indeed we won't know if it is the truth. probably the identity is actually the same, just that different place/ethnic/language/local culture produces the different types of interpretations/names/status. can we put it like this?
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I am talking about the old old oldddd days during Buddha's time where even food is hard to come by. So as a buddhist we must not be choosy. But for modern times like now, of course all monks are strictly on vegeterian diet. Especially those from the mahayana teachings.

However monks in tibet still eat meat as they need the calories to their body warm and alive. Yes they have no choice but to break the precepts. That is why the Buddha said that this world is full with suffering, or suffering exists, and why Buddhisms existed in the first place, which is to get out of the cycle of rebirth.

Both islam and christianity have a common thing at this point of time, which is they share their teachings from a book. Now this book has gone through countless generations and many many many editors and wars as well.

The teachings of the buddha of the other hand, are being memorised by hundreds of monks when the buddha died. Every once in awhile the group of monks will come together and chant his teachings to make sure that it didn't go wrong. This tradition was continued until paper was invented and every teaching was written down. Therefore it can be said that almost 90% of the teachings of the buddha (if not more) are accurate as this time of day.

That is why the teaching of the Buddha still remains the same despite the existence of many different buddhist traditions and schools.

For the killing part... it only applies to those beings with a conscious...now what are beings with consciousnesses is another deep story altogether but generally plants and microbes do not qualify as that...
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QUOTE(hackwire @ Jan 19 2012, 12:32 AM)
according to my research buddhism , after buddha died for a long time only than some one from his own sibling who is also his disciple begin to write his teaching down and it was not written right after he died. So there's a debate of time lapse between his death and the scripture his disciple wrote which i belive like 20 years ... correct me if im wrong on the number. so if im right, the accuracy of it has now been question by some. One may not have the technology like we have today to produce a Reality TV show that could provide any accurate timeline and journals that can be time capsule for the future .
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Yes you are partly right. Nobody bothered to remember anything. It was one monk that decided that something must be done to prevent the original teachings from being diluted hence the gathering of all the top monks to recite his teachings together. But itsdefinitely not 20 years....

QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Jan 19 2012, 12:33 AM)
At this point I might come across as argumentative for no reason, but rest assure I'm not, there is no such thing as "taoism" in malaysia. It was neither taoism or buddhism at the first place.

To say that they are "infused" with chinese culture would be saying that there are the traces of taoism and buddhism. Truth is, it is something else instead.

It is 民间迷信教 (common folk superstition religion), has nothing to do with taoism nor buddhism. More of a superstitious teachings that is passed down through the ancestors. IMO, the first step is actually to acknowledge the fact that there was no "infusion" at the first place.
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I am not sure about taoism but there are certainly Chinese infused culture and superstitions in Buddhism especially in those traditional temples.

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