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post Mar 23 2022, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(Donchay @ Mar 23 2022, 02:01 PM)
Instead of writing long paragraphs, let me quote a few words from them :

"i dont understand how you are eating meat , they stink so much ."
" The temple is my 2nd home "
" Just pray through your difficulties, it is karma "

And lately , on my old granparents she talked this to my grandmother on my grandfather
" Cant you see he is suffering ? Why are we still insisting to save him and let him go through all the suffering process, wont it be better if he would have just gone instead of we keep on looking for doctors to save him? After all he is old and even if he make it this time, he would still suffer and cannot escape of old age,"

My grandfather made it and still with us.

My family portrait was brought down from the wall and replaced by some religious drawings. In fact my house felt like a mini temple with all the statues and religious paintings, and then the incense burning every few hours.

And the donations made all these years , would easily topped my student loan by a long long way.
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Cultivation is all about self and adopt middle path.The real case that you shared seem this family member have set of SOP to justify other. I couldn't imagine how tough to deal with this.
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post Mar 23 2022, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Mar 23 2022, 02:40 PM)
Intoxicants weaken the mind.

For example, under normal circumstances, a person with alert mind would refrain from breaking the 5 precepts (5th being the refrain from intoxicants).  However, when he drinks, the ability of the mind to keep the first 4 precepts would be shaky.  Therefore, he risks himself breaking all the precepts by taking intoxicants. In some ways, he exposes himself to moral danger.

And, if the karma ripens at death, the person would be very dull in his mental faculty in the next birth.
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Nice say. In current modern world intoxicants include drug and gamble which bring harm that good.
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post Mar 28 2022, 01:33 PM

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What helps buddhist to defend themselves from offenses of false claiming under name of religion(maybe within the religion or other religion) for hidden agenda? When we seek truth from within ourselves we are kind of relying on ourselves and wait for miracle to happen. We have buddhist organizations but they rarely act as a whole to defense against something that somewhat hurt their believers yes no? Any thoughts?
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post Apr 6 2022, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(qqqqwww1111112222 @ Apr 5 2022, 01:09 AM)
What helps buddhist to defend themselves from offenses of false claiming under name of religion(maybe within the religion or other religion) for hidden agenda? When we seek truth from within ourselves we are kind of relying on ourselves and wait for miracle to happen. We have buddhist organizations but they rarely act as a whole to defense against something that somewhat hurt their believers yes no? Any thoughts?
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actually there is no miracle or supernatural in buddhism, it is just cultivation from within n look into our 'real self' ....
there is 'no outside' force that can harm us, only u yourself is your worst enemy ....
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post Apr 6 2022, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(Garysydney @ Mar 7 2022, 04:59 PM)
I have actually read the Majjihma and Samyutta Nikaya a couple of times (over a period of 5 years). I was so keen to learn about Buddhism in the early 2000s - i found this is what i needed in my life. Life in Sydney is very quiet and boring as my wife and i have no kids. I didn't turn my tv on (others than watching the evening news) for more than 7 years because i was either meditating (usually taking short breaks after about 2-3 hours and then continue-ing) or reading Buddhist texts. My wife thought i was going crazy. I changed a lot over the past 20 years due to Buddhism.

I only started following Ajahn Chah in the last 10 years. I go through Ajahn Chah's quotes daily (https://www.azquotes.com/author/17674-Ajahn_Chah) -  good reminder for me everyday (takes me 15 mins to flip through 2 pages as i go through this slowly).

Actually i go through my daily life in Sydney without anyone bothering me much because people in Aust are well mannered. When i came back to KL, people here really irritated me. You get people jumping the queue here all the time (whether physically lining up or driving), motorbikes driving the wrong way and a few other minor things (like motorists not indicating when turning) - this is giving me a lot of practice to watch my anger/irritation. In Sydney most things are very orderly and people behave quite well generally. I have lived in Sydney for 40 years (out of my 60 years) so i am more Aussie than Msian. When i see unfair practices (like people jumping queues), i am usually very vocal. I now learn to be vocal without the anger - Msia is giving me a lot of chance to practice Buddhism (in day-to-day experience) which Sydney doesn't provide.
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so what is the conclusion u get after u read those sutra ?
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post Apr 6 2022, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(nash_ph_41 @ Mar 22 2022, 09:06 PM)
The example you highlight was humorous and near to real life.
We experience it during the journey and re learn inner self and self again.

In been a  while to leave msg here.
Allow me re shared this awesome clip again

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most of the time when we learn buddhism, we will always confused about reality ...
in one hand, we need to learn about the truth, on the other hand there is no truth to be learn, only impermanence is the truth ....
to say there is 'something' but actually there is 'nothing'.....
only consciousness itself is real and the existence itself is not real cos all phenomenal existence is fabricated by our consciousness ...
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post Apr 6 2022, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(Donchay @ Mar 23 2022, 02:01 PM)
Instead of writing long paragraphs, let me quote a few words from them :

"i dont understand how you are eating meat , they stink so much ."
" The temple is my 2nd home "
" Just pray through your difficulties, it is karma "

And lately , on my old granparents she talked this to my grandmother on my grandfather
" Cant you see he is suffering ? Why are we still insisting to save him and let him go through all the suffering process, wont it be better if he would have just gone instead of we keep on looking for doctors to save him? After all he is old and even if he make it this time, he would still suffer and cannot escape of old age,"

My grandfather made it and still with us.

My family portrait was brought down from the wall and replaced by some religious drawings. In fact my house felt like a mini temple with all the statues and religious paintings, and then the incense burning every few hours.

And the donations made all these years , would easily topped my student loan by a long long way.
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the main problem is those who learn buddhism never read the sutra, always 'monkey see monkey do' ...
eg, like people pray pray they also pray pray, people chant omitofo or kuan yin they also chant omitofo n kuanyin ...
they only know the more they chant the more merit they got n can go to the 'western paradise' ..
actually they dont even understand/know what are the 'pureland sect' is practicing ....

obsession about buddhism n practice buddhism is 2 different thing ....
obsession is about 'greed', practice buddhism is about 'something to let go' ....

quote from the diamond sutra... 'all form itself is an illusion' ... if 'form' is illusion then let me ask u what are they praying ? brows.gif
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post Apr 6 2022, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(qqqqwww1111112222 @ Apr 5 2022, 01:09 AM)
What helps buddhist to defend themselves from offenses of false claiming under name of religion(maybe within the religion or other religion) for hidden agenda? When we seek truth from within ourselves we are kind of relying on ourselves and wait for miracle to happen. We have buddhist organizations but they rarely act as a whole to defense against something that somewhat hurt their believers yes no? Any thoughts?
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Sometimes they will publish on paper to rectify some person who use religion as a business model a preach false teaching.
However damage already done, as this type of organization already have massive of devotee who believe on that person.
On this path of cultivation, it all about inner self or self realization, it may have this person have encounter false teaching, while in the journey he/she start to discover something not usual and back to the path again.

Some lucky to return back, some just continue follow the flow until they meet their own final moment.
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post Apr 6 2022, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(will4848 @ Apr 6 2022, 02:33 PM)
most of the time when we learn buddhism, we will always confused about reality  ...
in one hand, we need to learn about the truth, on the other hand there is no truth to be learn, only impermanence is the truth ....
to say there is 'something' but actually there is 'nothing'.....
only consciousness itself is real and the existence itself is not real cos all phenomenal existence is fabricated by our consciousness ...
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Is a life time journey where doubt always arise. Therefore when encounter this condition, seek back the most basic rule
precept and sutra as our master. Our conscious perhaps is the biggest mastermind to hinder us to reach the Truth.
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QUOTE(will4848 @ Apr 6 2022, 02:46 PM)
the main problem is those who learn buddhism never read the sutra, always 'monkey see monkey do' ...
eg, like people pray pray they also pray pray, people chant omitofo or kuan yin they also chant omitofo n kuanyin ... 
they only know the more they chant the more merit they got n can go to the 'western paradise' ..
actually they dont even understand/know what are the 'pureland sect' is practicing ....

obsession about buddhism n practice buddhism is 2 different thing ....
obsession is about 'greed', practice buddhism is about 'something to let go' ....

quote from the diamond sutra... 'all form itself is an illusion' ... if 'form' is illusion then let me ask u what are they praying ?  brows.gif
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Absolutely true what you mentioning above. While some people have firm determination and just chant to the end and meet Amithaba,
but this kind of example not much.

Precept (Sila) and Sutra is our master in this declining period.
Diamond sutra indeed a Sutra told us about form and formless.
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QUOTE(nash_ph_41 @ Apr 6 2022, 03:43 PM)
Is a life time journey where doubt always arise. Therefore when encounter this condition, seek back the most basic rule
precept and sutra as our master. Our conscious perhaps is the biggest mastermind to hinder us to reach the Truth.
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basically there is no truth out there ...
even though buddhism teach us to get out of samsara but actually there is 'no place out of samsara' ..
deswai the buddha word itself is to describe as 'a state of mind of a enlighten being' and u are not going to 'somewhere'/heaven ...
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QUOTE(nash_ph_41 @ Apr 6 2022, 03:47 PM)
Absolutely true what you mentioning above. While some people have firm determination and just chant to the end and meet Amithaba,
but this kind of example not much.

Precept (Sila) and Sutra is our master in this declining period.
Diamond sutra indeed a Sutra told us about form and formless.
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frankly speaking actually i dont believe in the western paradise thing but i know many buddhist actually is the pureland sect ...

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QUOTE(will4848 @ Apr 6 2022, 03:59 PM)
frankly speaking actually i dont believe in the western paradise thing but i know many buddhist actually is the pureland sect ...
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I thought Buddha preaches 84000 methods and pure land is one of the method? I think not everyone have the karmic connection with Amitaba Buddha.
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QUOTE(Gratitude2022 @ Apr 6 2022, 04:21 PM)
I thought Buddha preaches 84000 methods and pure land is one of the method? I think not everyone have the karmic connection with Amitaba Buddha.
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then its just depend on them la ... i mean i cant proved it it is right or wrong but it is just that i dont believe in it thats all n i dont mind people practice it also ...

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QUOTE(will4848 @ Apr 6 2022, 02:22 PM)
so what is the conclusion u get after u read those sutra ?
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I attend a monthly Buddhist group in Sydney whereby we talk freely about things we come across in daily life and how Buddhism affects our way of thinking. We discuss quite a fair bit about the sutras as well.

With my strong faith in the Theravada Buddhism, i believe i have developed a fairly good knowledge/realisation of what non-self (void or selfless or whatever you want to call it). (Remember we are supposed to be humble and not brag about our achievements so i will not say more about reaching nibanna.). In life now, i am actually quite mindful throughout my day and all i see every day is 'my death'. I know the present moment is passing all the time and my death is imminent. I go to cemeteries very often and i laugh when i walk past each tombstone - i tell the occupant i will probably join them (and be like them) in about 20+ years if not sooner. I dream about my death very often. I can see that life is suffering and even though i am quite well off, i don't see myself acting any differently even if i have no money. I find money doesn't bring me any pleasure because my death is imminent and there is no permanence in my life here on earth.

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QUOTE(Gratitude2022 @ Apr 6 2022, 04:21 PM)
I thought Buddha preaches 84000 methods and pure land is one of the method? I think not everyone have the karmic connection with Amitaba Buddha.
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Western Pure Land practise is practised by almost every schools in East Asian Mahayana Buddhism.

Chaan schools n many others in China also practise Western Pure Land. Buddhism in Japan, especially Tendai school, include Western Pure Land practise as well. Tibetan Buddhism also practise Western Pure Land in its practises. Same in Vietnam.

This is because wisdom is the fruit of samadhi, and samadhi is the fruit of precepts. To achieve the perfect Wisdom of the Buddhas, it can only be attained when all the precepts are kept perfectly. Can we do it? Especially in the end of time?

One who does not fully purify the karmas, one will reap the fruit of these actions, and being reborn in the evil ways.

It is important to note in the text, is the ‘context’. The specific timing is the Ending Age of Dharma.

Hence, Buddhist traditions in China n Japan did not separate Chaan Samadhi from the practice of the Pure Land, as the vow of Amitabha guarantees the nullification of negative karmas accumulated by people who cannot fully maintain the precepts.

Thus, by accepting the Vow of Amitabha, the person without precepts in the End Age of Dharma is theoretically able to be reborn in Sukhavati instead of the evil paths where he was destined to go.

I join 3 different schools: Pure Land, Chaan n Vajrayana, the latter two have extensive Pure Land practises n rituals
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QUOTE(Taikor.Taikun @ Apr 6 2022, 06:47 PM)
Western Pure Land practise is practised by almost every schools in East Asian Mahayana Buddhism.

Chaan schools n many others in China also practise Western Pure Land. Buddhism in Japan, especially Tendai school, include Western Pure Land practise as well. Tibetan Buddhism also practise Western Pure Land in its practises. Same in Vietnam.

This is because wisdom is the fruit of samadhi, and samadhi is the fruit of precepts. To achieve the perfect Wisdom of the Buddhas, it can only be attained when all the precepts are kept perfectly. Can we do it? Especially in the end of time?

One who does not fully purify the karmas, one will reap the fruit of these actions, and being reborn in the evil ways.

It is important to note in the text, is the ‘context’. The specific timing is the Ending Age of Dharma.

Hence, Buddhist traditions in China n Japan did not separate Chaan Samadhi from the practice of the Pure Land, as the vow of Amitabha guarantees the nullification of negative karmas accumulated by people who cannot fully maintain the precepts.

Thus, by accepting the Vow of Amitabha, the person without precepts in the End Age of Dharma is theoretically able to be reborn in Sukhavati instead of the evil paths where he was destined to go.

I join 3 different schools: Pure Land, Chaan n Vajrayana, the latter two have extensive Pure Land practises n rituals
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Bro, can share knowledge of the right way to do the chanting? Example: mindful or mindless? Means just buta chant also can or mindful chant? I hear many stories don't really know which is the correct way. Thanks.
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QUOTE(Garysydney @ Apr 6 2022, 06:42 PM)
I attend a monthly Buddhist group in Sydney whereby we talk freely about things we come across in daily life and how Buddhism affects our way of thinking. We discuss quite a fair bit about the sutras as well.

With my strong faith in the Theravada Buddhism, i believe i have developed a fairly good knowledge/realisation of what non-self (void or selfless or whatever you want to call it). (Remember we are supposed to be humble and not brag about our achievements so i will not say more about reaching nibanna.). In life now, i am actually quite mindful throughout my day and all i see every day is 'my death'. I know the present moment is passing all the time and my death is imminent. I go to cemeteries very often and i laugh when i walk past each tombstone - i tell the occupant i will probably join them (and be like them) in about 20+ years if not sooner. I dream about my death very often. I can see that life is suffering and even though i am quite well off, i don't see myself acting any differently even if i have no money. I find money doesn't bring me any pleasure because my death is imminent and there is no permanence in my life here on earth.
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QUOTE(Gratitude2022 @ Apr 6 2022, 06:51 PM)
Bro, can share knowledge of the right way to do the chanting? Example: mindful or mindless? Means just buta chant also can or mindful chant? I hear many stories don't really know which is  the correct way. Thanks.
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There is always the "oral transmission" (口传) that tells you the exact way to practise. These r 'vital' instructions that r passed down through the lineage. Hence, every practise requires mindful execution.

When you chant the sacred names of Amitabha, you r seeking connection with Him. Understand that doing this on a daily basis is akin to making a strong, poweful vow to be reborn into Amitabha's Sukhavati Pure Land.

China's Pure Land school have been 'simplified' (reformed) by its 13th patriarch. But the full, actual practise, such as visualistions, as instructed by Gautama Buddha himself, r still preserved in Tibetan Buddhism n Japanese Buddhism.

Chanting the names of Buddhas n Bodhisattvas, as revealed by Mahāsthāmaprāpta, one of the Bodhisattvas beside Amitabha, is the dharma door aka method aka the pathway, to achieving enlightenment. Doing this, with the Buddhas n Bodhisattvas always in mind, one is not far away from liberation

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