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Group LYN Buddhism Retreat - SERIOUS TALK, No trolling please

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soul2soul
post Aug 23 2010, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Aug 23 2010, 02:39 PM)
i watched thai movie, and it shows like they build buddha statue, worship, to treat ppl from illness... y? buddha is nt goddd rite? also got thai buddha temple that sell charm.... isnt that deviant from bbuddha teaching? y no one tell them thats not what buddha preach
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soul2soul
post Aug 23 2010, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Aug 23 2010, 02:59 PM)
What do you see as successful or unsuccessful Dharma practice? Or what do you see as results of Dharma practice?
I think it depends on individuals. Each of us are so different , a success to one would seem as a shortcoming to others! But I think all buddhists want to attain cessation of suffering, it's just the matter of 'when' only.

To me, the nearer things in Dhamma , more down to earth things are like reduction in anger, hatred , and become more tolerant to differences, and to be more Calm and happy. If a person sees this happening in his life, the dhamma is working. If he becomes more angry.. then he obviously needs to re-examine his approach to dhamma.

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Once the foundation is right, the rest will come naturally !

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post Aug 24 2010, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Aug 24 2010, 09:05 AM)
but if it depends on individuals then by right there should be many different states of enlightenment! but in reality there is only one state..

not all buddhists want to attain the cessation of suffering because mahayana and vajrayana aim to lift the suffering for others.

all beings want pleasure and happiness, and abhor pain and suffering. if we practice Dharma to avoid suffering, i dont see how it can lead us out of samsara as the intentions of practicing buddhism is not that different than getting good education and a good job so that there will be no 'suffering'. If we think like all other beings in samsara, how do we get out of it?

problem is many people would probably have to fight a huge barrage of wrong views and mental stubbornness to get there. For example would you read a text written by a tibetan master?

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dont fall into the trap of intellectual argument.

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post Aug 24 2010, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(eXPeri3nc3 @ Aug 24 2010, 10:21 AM)
Hmm.

From what I remember,

1 Meng (Life)
2 Wan (Destiny)
3 Feng Shui
4 Hang Xin Jik Dak (do good deeds)
5 Duk Shu (Education)

I guess Destiny comes before Karma?
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I heard this too. I think it's taoism.
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post Aug 24 2010, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Aug 24 2010, 02:23 PM)
in that case, the Buddha shouldnt have spent his time explaining to people on how to achieve enlightenment because he is also using intellectual argument. He has also used that before against a few people before in the suttas. Most notable was the guy who wanted to debate with the Buddha. So are you saying that the Buddha should have done differently?

so how is saying that mahayanists and vajrayanists focus more on helping others intellectual?

so i'd like to ask, how is this an intellectual argument? I am just presenting my points, if you disagree or you find something wrong feel free to point it out smile.gif

have you not notice that this entire thread is nothing but intellectual postings and ramblings? so in reality we shouldnt be having this thread, but the reason why i do explanations like this is so that people can read and they might just benefit from it.
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If you noticed, I only said "don't fall into intellectual debate trap", and I got an earful lecture from you. You think you are right and I am wrong, be it, no need to argue.

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post Aug 24 2010, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Aug 24 2010, 02:50 PM)
i dont see it as an argument but just want to know your point of view clearer. i dont  get anything if i win you know so why would i want to?
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No, you don't.

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post Aug 24 2010, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Aug 24 2010, 03:26 PM)
are there? hmm.gif
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tara. chastised by the Buddha yes.

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post Sep 1 2010, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Aug 28 2010, 03:24 PM)
bump
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post Sep 3 2010, 08:05 AM

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Any of you interested to learn metta meditation let me know. I can give you the details of the series of metta meditation course in PJ / Subang vicinity, conducted by Burmese monk under SJVM.

What are the benefits of metta (loving-kindness) meditation?

1. He sleeps well
2. He wakes up feeling good
3. He does not have bad dreams
4. He is well-liked by fellow men
5. He is well-liked by people everywhere
6. He is protected by Devas
7. He will not be harmed by fire, poison or weapons
8. He achieves Samadhi fast
9. His facial complexion is healthy
10. He will pass away unconfused
11. If he does not attain arahatship, he will be reborn in the Brahma world



Metta (loving-kindness) is one of the 4 brahma viharas (sublime states of the brahma gods) that is
1. Metta
2. Karuna (Compassion)
3. Mudita (Sympathetic joy)
4. Upekkha (Equanimity)

One who dwells in these states are said to be dwelling in the abodes of the Brahmas (high divinity).

Syadu syadu syadu

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post Sep 4 2010, 08:09 AM

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QUOTE(Josep86 @ Sep 3 2010, 09:55 PM)
i heard buddha native language is pali, one of indian languages.

so who translated buddha book or something like that to cainis language?
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Pali is like a dialect in China, a localized language (like canton- cantonese, etc). It is believed to be the language that is closest to the one used by the Buddha himself.

However, Sanskrit became more important in the later part of India's history. Sankrit has a written language (like mandarin with written chinese character). Language changes very fast (even in english we see divergence between USA and England after 50 years).

China sent a group of people to India to learn buddhism, and it was there and then, buddhism was translated to Chinese language but it was believed to happen much later in Buddhism history. Chinese "lohan" arahants were heard of in the past, so it suggests the common root.
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post Sep 4 2010, 08:10 AM

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QUOTE(randyhow @ Sep 3 2010, 10:14 PM)
Xuanzang, sifu of Sun Wukong from Journey to the west..
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.... you believe sun wukong exist???
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post Sep 10 2010, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(socratesman @ Sep 9 2010, 02:06 PM)
Oh, didn't know got Buddhist thread.

Good day to all fellow Buddhists here.
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good day to you too. may you find happiness.
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post Sep 11 2010, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(tailangong @ Sep 10 2010, 09:38 PM)
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post Sep 13 2010, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Sep 12 2010, 07:54 PM)
i wonder how many good karma brought over from my past life has left...

i've been pretty 'good luck' on a few occasions...notably life threatening ones..including not seeing the incoming cars properly before making a turn...thankfully that time the opposing car was coming slow.. sweat.gif
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Should be more careful next time hor. This kamma works in very complicated ways. Some destructive kamma can kill you no matter how you want to avoid also you cannot. Some are just killing kamma not so strong but can exert itself when conditions are right. So as far as possible, exercise mindfulness and do our best to be careful on the road.

But if really got destructive kamma , then no choice. Always reflect on death, that will give you a sense of urgency to practice the dhamma. We are never sure of what kamma will mature tomorrow, or until when we will have chance to practice the dhamma again. Human life is very short, but it is also the best avenue to get lots of merits.


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post Sep 13 2010, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(Josep86 @ Sep 12 2010, 05:25 PM)
gautama hair looks like an african hair
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Nobody knows how the buddha actually look like. But it was recorded in the Sutta, that the buddha possess extremely refined features (handsome) and so as his son Rahula.

Ven Anuruddha (one of the prominent disciples with divine eye) was recorded to be very handsome until some females wanted to disturb him.

These great people have good kamma, and they were born with riches/power and good looks.
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post Sep 20 2010, 08:52 AM

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uncle tan?? he so old meh?
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post Sep 20 2010, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(Tohsan @ Sep 20 2010, 08:58 AM)
Can u explain the one i highlight how this meditation can help promote protection by Devas?  How to know even if there is any Devas around to protect you? smile.gif
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Well, there are many ways to do this type of meditation. I understand there are people who follow the instruction to direct the metta to the deities around them. It is mentioned there are some deities who are friendly , and some who are not so friendly.

If you wish them well, of course the deities (if they are around you) will be happy, and they will become friendly to you. The not-so-friendly deities will become neutral to you, and the friendly ones will become close to you.


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post Sep 20 2010, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(Tohsan @ Sep 20 2010, 09:23 AM)
Those are classic example of monks that is going thru meditation daily, what about layman?  smile.gif
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Of course, it's for everyone who does metta.
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post Sep 20 2010, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(Tohsan @ Sep 20 2010, 09:26 AM)
sorry let me rephrase my question again, How to know whether there is any Devas around to protect you when u are doing metta meditation?  by feeling? smile.gif
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That one we don't know for sure unless you can see them. Even there is no Devas around you at that time, you can still derive other benefits from this meditation, good karma being one of them..
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QUOTE(phantomkid @ Sep 20 2010, 08:57 AM)
Hey fellow Buddhists. I am an English literate, tak tau baca Chinese characters, so can anyone let me know where to get the English version of Dharmasutra (or however you spell it)? And several other sutras? Thank you smile.gif
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Try google "access to insight". There contains some of the english translation of the Pali Tipitaka, the one used by the Theravada buddhists.

For Mahayana sutras, I am not very sure. Try "heart sutra" etc, maybe the links there will bring you to the sutras.

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