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Model Kits Gundam & Mecha Modelling Thread v15, Celebrating 30 Years of Plastic Goodness
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TSParody
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Aug 23 2010, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE(Hellscream @ Aug 23 2010, 02:59 PM) Why call full saber ? 00Q is using half saber ? Only one shoulder is heavy, that's why it's called half.
QUOTE(golbeza @ Aug 23 2010, 03:21 PM) enlighten me pls, when is this gonna come out?  Somehow, i got a feeling it'll later be repackaged with HG 1/144 Quanta, like the 1/48 Unicorn head stand and the 1/144 Astraea conversion parts.
QUOTE(seiken @ Aug 23 2010, 04:59 PM) Argh!! The upper hip joint (K33) damn tight man. How to loosen it ah? Put some oil? WD-40? Mine broke because of that. Check my siggy. Exactly the same part you mentioned
QUOTE(zieraq @ Aug 23 2010, 07:05 PM) The full saber design is awesome. but I think its more compatible with astray design. quanta dont look good with it. looks out of place. the badass vibe overshadow quanta presence. also now quanta like have a cacat wing since both look like a wing with very different style. The so-called full saber is just a simple mod from 007S Buster Sword.
QUOTE(zieraq @ Aug 23 2010, 07:05 PM) PG SF do surprise me. I bet its gonna be good since 00 also might have the same problem as mention by parody, but it come out perfect. I think bandai engr will do their best to rectify the raised issue. but u guys know me, I just wont buy no matter how much I like it....hehehe  I wouldn't really call PG 00 Raiser perfect. Perhaps you should buy and build one. Then you'll know.
QUOTE(xDarkKn1ghtx @ Aug 23 2010, 07:23 PM) well his sinanju and wing was pass-able wasnt it? Sinanju was originally his design, so we couldn't compare it with another mecha designer's version. As for Wing Gundam, it was a complete redesign rather than "cleaning up" someone else's design.
Easiest is to compare RX-78-2: MG 2.0: Okawara (original TV design) MG Ver KA: Katoki (redesign from TV version) MG One Year War: Okawara (redesign for PS2 game)
Feelings are mixed. Some prefer Ver KA, some prefer OYW. But generally, Katoki will make the shoulders bulkier, fatten the legs, and lengthen the legs and feet (see MG Unicorn and the upcoming MG ReZEL. Legs so loooong for what?!). To me, that kind of redesign doesn't suit a fast aerial Gundam like Strike Freedom. I'd personally prefer Bee-Craft's slimmer and sleeker design.
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xDarkKn1ghtx
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Aug 23 2010, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE(Parody @ Aug 23 2010, 08:49 PM) Sinanju was originally his design, so we couldn't compare it with another mecha designer's version. As for Wing Gundam, it was a complete redesign rather than "cleaning up" someone else's design.
Easiest is to compare RX-78-2: MG 2.0: Okawara (original TV design) MG Ver KA: Katoki (redesign from TV version) MG One Year War: Okawara (redesign for PS2 game)
Feelings are mixed. Some prefer Ver KA, some prefer OYW. But generally, Katoki will make the shoulders bulkier, fatten the legs, and lengthen the legs and feet (see MG Unicorn and the upcoming MG ReZEL. Legs so loooong for what?!). To me, that kind of redesign doesn't suit a fast aerial Gundam like Strike Freedom. I'd personally prefer Bee-Craft's slimmer and sleeker design.
So this is considered as Katoki's 1st PG? why didn't they ask Okawara to do it? Or maybe they want Katoki to get more exposure? But, i do agree that for an agile/aerial gundam it does not fit to have such a bulky design. Unless they want to redesign the whole thing which is impossible. Added on August 23, 2010, 9:01 pmActually since he was already asked to do it, lets just cross our fingers and hope he gives us a better design instead of screwing it up. This post has been edited by xDarkKn1ghtx: Aug 23 2010, 09:03 PM
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nazrul90
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Aug 23 2010, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE(xDarkKn1ghtx @ Aug 23 2010, 08:57 PM) So this is considered as Katoki's 1st PG? why didn't they ask Okawara to do it? Or maybe they want Katoki to get more exposure? Added on August 23, 2010, 9:01 pmActually since he was already asked to do it, lets just cross our fingers and hope he gives us a better design instead of screwing it up. they want to testing their ace designer...  Katoki design always different from anime like RX-78-2 no yellow cross on the shield,Unicorn dont have vulcan on the head and etc,etc.... btw » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « screw you Katoki for making me bought crap Unicorn... i will NEVER buy any ver.KA again!
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nazrul90
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Aug 23 2010, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE(golbeza @ Aug 23 2010, 09:15 PM) guise, how much is the HG OO[Q] in stores now? feel like buying it after seeing the upcoming add-on parts  about RM60+++ Me waiting it arrive at my home at 4Sept  i dont really care the addon they included in HJ Magazine... This post has been edited by nazrul90: Aug 23 2010, 09:21 PM
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TSParody
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Aug 23 2010, 09:20 PM
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QUOTE(xDarkKn1ghtx @ Aug 23 2010, 08:57 PM) So this is considered as Katoki's 1st PG? why didn't they ask Okawara to do it? Or maybe they want Katoki to get more exposure? But, i do agree that for an agile/aerial gundam it does not fit to have such a bulky design. Unless they want to redesign the whole thing which is impossible. The name Katoki itself sells. That's why he had his own line of MG. And yes, i think this is Katoki's first PG, although i can't really confirm.
Problem is, like what nazrul90 have said:
QUOTE(nazrul90 @ Aug 23 2010, 09:12 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « screw you Katoki for making me bought crap Unicorn... i will NEVER buy any ver.KA again! ...sometimes Katoki sacrifices mobility and articulation for looks and aesthetics (think Ver KA).
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StarGhazzer
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Aug 23 2010, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE(nazrul90 @ Aug 23 2010, 09:12 PM) they want to testing their ace designer...  Katoki design always different from anime like RX-78-2 no yellow cross on the shield,Unicorn dont have vulcan on the head and etc,etc.... btw » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « screw you Katoki for making me bought crap Unicorn... i will NEVER buy any ver.KA again! ver Ka label is merely a gimmick although some say it represents the kits that Katoki himself oversees the production. Beecraft's MG SF design is good enough although like Katoki, Beecraft tends to go for sleek and slim proportions. Not too fussed about PGs anyway... too large, too expensive, too few choices.
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xDarkKn1ghtx
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Aug 23 2010, 09:26 PM
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QUOTE(Parody @ Aug 23 2010, 09:20 PM) The name Katoki itself sells. That's why he had his own line of MG. And yes, i think this is Katoki's first PG, although i can't really confirm.
...sometimes Katoki sacrifices mobility and articulation for looks and aesthetics (think Ver KA). I though Sinanju's articulation was godly for a gundam its bulkiness? It depends on his mood and enthusiasm maybe? for his first PG i don't think Katoki himself wants to screw up right?
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TSParody
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Aug 23 2010, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE(xDarkKn1ghtx @ Aug 23 2010, 09:26 PM) I though Sinanju's articulation was godly for a gundam its bulkiness? It depends on his mood and enthusiasm maybe? for his first PG i don't think Katoki himself wants to screw up right?  You'd be surprised to see some Sinanju conversion kits which look ultimately better and bulkier but have the same "godly" articulations as well. Getting one kit right out of <insert number of Ver KA kits out there> is not by any means godly. We'll just have to wait and see if there's any MG Sinanju Anime version that features any noticeable improvement.
The fact that Bandai released the MG Unicorn Anime Version with improved knee joints indirectly struck a blow to Katoki's image. Who would buy an MG Unicorn Ver Ka now? I'm guessing no one.
This PG, in a way, is a form of respect to him and for him to redeem himself.
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guarayakha
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Aug 23 2010, 09:49 PM
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QUOTE(Parody @ Aug 23 2010, 08:49 PM) Somehow, i got a feeling it'll later be repackaged with HG 1/144 Quanta, like the 1/48 Unicorn head stand and the 1/144 Astraea conversion parts.
XN raiser not out yet
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xDarkKn1ghtx
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Aug 23 2010, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE(Parody @ Aug 23 2010, 09:48 PM) You'd be surprised to see some Sinanju conversion kits which look ultimately better and bulkier but have the same "godly" articulations as well. Getting one kit right out of <insert number of Ver KA kits out there> is not by any means godly. We'll just have to wait and see if there's any MG Sinanju Anime version that features any noticeable improvement.
The fact that Bandai released the MG Unicorn Anime Version with improved knee joints indirectly struck a blow to Katoki's image. Who would buy an MG Unicorn Ver Ka now? I'm guessing no one.
This PG, in a way, is a form of respect to him and for him to redeem himself. Still, there are a few people buying MG Unicorn Ver.Ka . Just not so popular now. I still remember the unicorn/sinanju hype. It was crazy  . Even though i like SF so much, I would still prefer to wait for the reviews before considering on getting it. Cuz like u said, the price might go through the roof. BUT, if he can somehow get the price to be less than 20k with gold coating on the wing (**** the MG SF wing) then, I seriously salute him  Personally, I dont think they will release an MG Sinanju Anime version so quickly. the 00 hype still isnt over yet. But so, the unicorn hype is just getting started. This post has been edited by xDarkKn1ghtx: Aug 23 2010, 09:56 PM
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TSParody
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Aug 23 2010, 10:22 PM
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QUOTE(guarayakha @ Aug 23 2010, 09:49 PM) XN raiser not out yet  Just a matter of time. It took them 2 years since its inclusion in Dengeki Hobby to release HG 1/144 Astraea ...
QUOTE(xDarkKn1ghtx @ Aug 23 2010, 09:55 PM) I still remember the unicorn/sinanju hype. It was crazy  . Which was why the release of MG Unicorn Anime and MG Unicorn HD + Cage made so many people furious, me included
QUOTE(xDarkKn1ghtx @ Aug 23 2010, 09:55 PM) Even though i like SF so much, I would still prefer to wait for the reviews before considering on getting it. Cuz like u said, the price might go through the roof. BUT, if he can somehow get the price to be less than 20k with gold coating on the wing (**** the MG SF wing) then, I seriously salute him No need to salute him. Mecha designers got nothing to do with the price.
Rather than arguing about the price, i'm more curious about what they'll include to justify the price, other than the gold plating. Dragoon effects a-la MG FBM? Burst wings a-la RD? Time will tell...
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Exiled_Gundam
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Aug 24 2010, 12:11 AM
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QUOTE(Parody @ Aug 23 2010, 09:20 PM) The name Katoki itself sells. That's why he had his own line of MG. And yes, i think this is Katoki's first PG, although i can't really confirm. Problem is, like what nazrul90 have said:
...sometimes Katoki sacrifices mobility and articulation for looks and aesthetics (think Ver KA). Haha IINM, Bandai hired Katoki to kickstarted their MG line.
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golbeza
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Aug 24 2010, 12:29 AM
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man alive, seeing this picture made me wanna buy the HG OO[Q] nia. suddenly it looks awsm if wanna be on par with the HG OO 7S/G  » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
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StarGhazzer
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Aug 24 2010, 04:29 AM
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All due respect to Katoki, but he is somewhat overrated. Many mecha fans tend to worship him as the best designer ever, but many of his famous designs prior to Unicorn were remakes - Wing EW mechas, RX78 ver Ka... Having said that, the Unicorn mechas were pretty unique although many of the non-major units in the novel were again remakes of Okawara designs from previous UC series.
Personally I think Izubuchi is a better designer... They look somewhat different from Okawara's original OYW designs, yet they fit seamlessly into the UC universe. Just look at the 0080 and CCA mechas.
This post has been edited by StarGhazzer: Aug 24 2010, 04:36 AM
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zieraq
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Aug 24 2010, 07:45 AM
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Hmmm maybe the reason why katoki name sells is becoz his lineart is epic. seing his lineart is a pleasure to the eyes. I still remember seeing okawara strike freedom which is bulky & out of proportion. the best thing about katoki lineart is it was like looking the actual model itself. how it would like in production. unlike other designer Izibuchi included, the engr of model kit have to do their own interpretation of how the kit should look like. after that some people might piss of claiming the model doesnt look like anyhing of the what lineart showed(the viewer already have their own interpretation & anticipation which contradict what the engr have produce). I think thats what make katoki name sells. His superb lineart  I also love it. as a kid back then I always challenge my friend who can make better robot design for PG SF I want wing the RD style Got people actually said unicorn is crap & blame katoki for it  just think if unicorn dont have the destroy mode or the destroy mode already on no need to transform. that surely wont be as epic. or consider the MG cannot transform, need to buy separately like the HGUC. if anybody can produce a better unicorn surely that guy can call katoki crap. Let's be humble people. He may not as good as how his name sells but calling him crap doesn't make us better than him. last time I rant about Bandai's marketing. this surely is their another marketing stunt. so rant on u'll be a psycho just like me Unicorn 1 of my favorite kit. screw the mobility & articulation. I want a good looking kit! anything else is secondary
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xDarkKn1ghtx
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Aug 24 2010, 09:48 AM
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LightningZERO
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Aug 24 2010, 10:30 AM
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Hey, anyone knows where I can order Robot Damashii 00 Qan[T] online?
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edan1979
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Aug 24 2010, 11:46 AM
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whatever it is... later sure got people buy all those.. no matter whose design...
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Jet23sky
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Aug 24 2010, 12:45 PM
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But definitely Strike Freedom PG will be my first Perfect Grade Gundam Model that i will buy, I've been a fan for this gundam ( Even though the Gundam Seed Destiny is crap ). I will look forward to the dragoon system. Let see how it will look like. But i really hope the mechanism will look like Strike PG even more rather than 00 Raiser PG, cause I really do not see much detail of 00 from outside though. ( But inside definitely is details~~ ). Price wise.. I do not think it will be much expensive than 00 raiser PG cause that PG you are buying both 00 and raiser  . So definitely will be much cheaper or more or less the same. Not much poison on the MG side recently except for death scythe ( actually not so poison >.< ). Quite alot of nice gundam on the HGUC and RG side.  Really hope they can produce some nice MG that I'm waiting. Especially 00 raiser....
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