Benchmark .. My 8 ling in your base at 3.30min include travel time. Depend on map and search add 30sec.

10 minutes ? Depend, i could go mass roach + hydras or roach + a few brood lords. 3 hatch 3 queens 50+ drones roughly. 4 gas chamber.

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Added on November 30, 2011, 12:33 pmIm still Noob. i play custom cause waiting 5 mins for ladder match is sooooooooooo long.

truthhurts

Best way to deal with Baneling bust is reactor hellions opening. It's an auto Build Order win.

More info here

this is a way to deal with fast pool also
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/15881

btw since thiis is a terran strategy discussion thread, i wana ask my issue on ZvT. lately i try to harrass a little with FE zeg, by building a bunker near his expo and route 3 marines. after that i concerntrate on macroing at my base. what puzzles me greatly is when i only get 2 base mining and trying to push out at 16-20 mins mark, i encountered a zerg player on bronze league already having 5 bases and an Ultralisk!! ;o....the abilit of their macro really baffles me.... i have done some thinking and for a terran like me if i decide to get fast 2nd cc, and get it running, my best bet for a push will be at least by 15 mins mark...i played 2 or 3 games against zerg opponent few days back(their bronze and silver lvl if im not mistaken) i dont even bother to play a macro game anymore, usually i just harrass as usual with bunker and after that 1 base all in with stimmed marines, 1 or 2 marauder and 4 medivac drop by his main at 10-11 mins mark. i won this2 games, but it hink if a zerg player have banes then i simply be gg....i dont think a lower league player would have an insane micro to beat those banes..when a zerg player get banes early on, a terran usually need more time push out sas they need to get a few tanks and slowly siegeing themto the zerg base. i thought by this minute mark a good zerg player already have like, 4 or 5 base? and a terran player barely 2 or 3 base....marines and incredibly fragile when they on their foot and race to the zrg base.... but their threat increase significantly by dropping straight at a zerg main if it goes unscouted early on...onmce my marine landed and they get themselves in a tight choke spot(between minerals, hatchery or spawning pool whr a zerglings is impossible to get a surround  and roach most of them struggle to hit me, then its an auto win situation, unless they have banes....i personally think a zerg that is good with bane composition, micro can easily get to very high league.....what u guys think? hellions to me just isnt that viable anymore as it is very easy to defned against them. u creat choke point between main and natural with evo chamber, guarded with 1 or 2 spine crawler and a queen, and all youtr rescources, time committed to those blue flame hellion get immediately neutralized....

questy, why u no reply me when i pm u when u online? no choi me ady?

I exp one guy using that build against me too but too bad, I always start with cloak banshee build. BO win 
Since u exp 70% lose, is time to go Mech dude.

YUP! play macro with zerg is stressful and fun!

I noticed that the amount of playing time in my TvZ is almost the same as my TvT if not longer. Mech player don't have the benefit of easy short win. So I will now try to 2-1-1 (Early MMM ball with 1 base) the Protoss to end the game early and play my mech game in TvZ n TvT. Bio is boring for me.

i hav die to countless baneling bust~ ==

currently i have given up to even get natural expansion against zerg.i just 1 base all in with MMM and timing before 9.30 mins mark must load up n drop to his main edi. got very good win rate against Z wif this....marine few marauder n medivac is really sick wif 4 medivac can keep on stimming non stop n micro like hell. only weakness is bane but by 9 mins mark u wont face speed upgrade bane if ur hand fast enuf u can lift off wif medivac and abuse their base ledges. just drop only 2,3 marine at their main n wait bane kill it off until hes no more bane pickup again n drop to his main....  constant pressure spells the death for zerg opponent... huhu

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Added on December 11, 2011, 3:02 am
good good. i was thinking the same thing. if u fast get at least 2 viking edi u only need like 2 turret 1 at mineral line another 1 around ur building area just to get detection... that already nullify cloak banshee threat.

11/11 at ladder~

no need bo actually

9/10 supply
11rax
11rax
14/15 oc
15supply
16/17 bunker
17/18 bunker
18/19 depot/bunker

at my bracket, 99.9% of the zerg would use the same tactic...fast expand, spore crawler to def expansion, zerglings into mass muta....i see almost every zerg player doing this, any comments on this?