ForGG (oGs_Fin) really is the new breed of Terran. He is so great! Prepare for another nerf my Terran friend.
Terran Strategy discussion V 1.0, The Last Mankind on Galaxy
Terran Strategy discussion V 1.0, The Last Mankind on Galaxy
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Dec 6 2011, 06:09 PM
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ForGG (oGs_Fin) really is the new breed of Terran. He is so great! Prepare for another nerf my Terran friend.
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Dec 7 2011, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Dec 7 2011, 06:23 PM) i had been playing around with his reaper into hellion into banshee build in TvT. super strong with good micro I exp one guy using that build against me too but too bad, I always start with cloak banshee build. BO win in TvZ i sked. TvZ is my worst matchup i got 30% win rate only. Added on December 7, 2011, 6:24 pmmy TvZ really like shit now. serious DEEP DEEP SHIT. tvt got bored of marine tank banshee 1 base all in reaper can rip that apart. Since u exp 70% lose, is time to go Mech dude. |
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Dec 7 2011, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Dec 7 2011, 07:03 PM) since that lost, i know how to deal with cloak shee build adi, my starport just get viking viking is good against banshee but not cloak banshee. 1 viking maybe not able to kill of the cloak banshee until it's energy run out.Added on December 7, 2011, 7:05 pmmy problem with mech is now zergs are good with BL...on some map, its super hard to punish early BL. early BL is not 1 base BL -.- i mena like 3 base 60 drones hive tech upgraded lings. like stephano not sure timing but like 15-20, im building my 3rd base~anyway i hate zergsssssssss nowaday, they really get btr adi, know how to have army all the while. play like leenock. unlike idra and ret old style which always have empty base will kena timing easily. Yup, playing mech against zerg really leave the Terran player expose to a lot of timing and their weakness transition. I lost most of the match with meching but bcos of this lost I learn so much against zerg by using mech. Mech player need to act 2 rounds quicker (that is predict what zerg will be doing). You need a lot of star sense if you r going mech. My starport button always ready when I sense something wrong. I can say my mech understanding in TvZ maybe on par with Artosis. |
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Dec 7 2011, 07:47 PM
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Dec 8 2011, 09:28 AM
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QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Dec 8 2011, 09:17 AM) if u cant beat a zerg on micro/timing build or watsoever~ then beat them with macro YUP! play macro with zerg is stressful and fun!thats what i doing now~ get fast 3 base then 4th while constant attack after regroup 1 group after another) zerg macro will eventually crumble but u need better make sure u wont crumble too~ I noticed that the amount of playing time in my TvZ is almost the same as my TvT if not longer. Mech player don't have the benefit of easy short win. So I will now try to 2-1-1 (Early MMM ball with 1 base) the Protoss to end the game early and play my mech game in TvZ n TvT. Bio is boring for me. |
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Dec 8 2011, 09:56 AM
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Dec 8 2011, 09:38 AM) My Tvz is always the longest. At least 20 min 3 base vs 3. Tvt nOrmally ends in 1 base even if transition into 2 base, 1 will have distinct lead from early game he is going to win most of the time.. Tvp since I stopped using 111 my win rate shoot up high but game time increase a lot too thats why you lose so much in TvZ, Z grow stronger and stronger when the game goes on from 20++ minutes. Only some sick guy like MVP, MMA and KAIZ able to deal with zerg late game. 111 is useless. 111 never worked for real Protoss player, only suitable to use against Random player which playing Protoss. My TvP kinda adaptive, go for 1 rax FE when he 3 gate and 2-1-1 early MMM if he 1 gate expand. But 1 thing is that I make sure I will hit them b4 HT+Colossus combination is out. Once those 2 badass out I confirm lose the game. |
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Dec 8 2011, 10:02 AM
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Dec 8 2011, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE(debiru-man13 @ Dec 8 2011, 04:29 PM) quest, why not put 2 rax of bottom of ramp. i use bling bust all the time b4, then i met a terran player who did this and put his marines behind rax. really make me "derp". should i attack rax, or make more banelings? coz at 6-7 min, you can make only enough banelings to kill one depot. if more, then you have wait for more gas. Don't ever do a baneling bust again. Did you see how quest define it. No better how much pressure u r gonna put on your opponent, you will still lose. (Ok, i change quest post to another meaning d) and siege tank can oso discourage banelings right? Btw, It is the day of the month d. How come I don't see any TvPvZ win rates posted on LYN yet? |
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Dec 9 2011, 01:13 AM
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Dec 9 2011, 12:04 AM) Latest TvP stats in November shows that P win rate has increase to 55% and terran only 45%. any of u guys experience facing a toss become much tougher recently or u guys juz refuse to qq and adapt to survive wif new built? not really actually. I don't notice Terran is weaker or Protoss is stronger in this period but EMP nerf certainly play a big part here. Even cloak ghost cant EMP all the HT now. Btw, I will try to end TvP asap. To me it is a very boring MU. just hope Blizzard dont nerf Terran anymore. (I want to forget BFH nerf but I cant TvZ now I try to get 3rd CC after the 4th hellion. But bcos of early 3rd cc, blue flame hellion running though mineral line seems impossible to achieve d. But the result is stunning, I can push out 3 to 4 minutes earlier. Added on December 9, 2011, 1:15 am QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Dec 8 2011, 06:35 PM) TvP 10-2 (all fake 1-1-1 into 1 rax FE into bio) even score. no problem here. every1 will face a down time against one particular race from time to timeTvZ 3-7 (all kinds of build, nothing worked FUUU TVZ) TvT 6-5 (all 1-1-1 into mech if got transition) for last week. This post has been edited by jeffvip: Dec 9 2011, 01:15 AM |
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Dec 14 2011, 12:51 PM
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Dec 16 2011, 08:39 AM
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Dec 22 2011, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Dec 22 2011, 01:16 PM) random update, im having a hard time in TvZ u trolled a diamond zerg? u GM? smurfing is a good way to destress http://sc2rep.com/replays/%28Z%29BlkMrkt_v...9FGwraith/16798 hehe, smurfing in the deep. trolled this diamond zerg heavily with a forGG build. bunker reaper into hellion into cloak banshee into blue flame drop into thor hellion. |
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Dec 27 2011, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE(chahupping @ Dec 25 2011, 12:14 AM) mayb u guys already knw, but i just recently found out, 2/1/1 build with stim timing push is quite gud especially against toss. instead of conclusive shell get stim, attk when stim done normally will crush toss enemy and deny their 2nd base. that is not timing attack. that is all in. My primary build against Toss. 2-1-1, MMM with SCV QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Dec 26 2011, 07:16 PM) exciting life so far? QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Dec 26 2011, 10:34 PM) My TvT sucks to da max.... any youtube video out there of pro player that i can try to copy their built off? lets have some TvT tonight then |
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Dec 27 2011, 02:18 PM
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Dec 27 2011, 02:45 PM
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Jan 3 2012, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE(chahupping @ Jan 2 2012, 11:38 PM) send us the replay. we might able to see what can you improve on.I'm struggling in TvZ too. I have got only 2 ways to win against Zerg nowadays, timing attack or half map split until both side mineral exhausted. So envy at those pro Terran player that can play so well in mid game. |
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Jan 3 2012, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Jan 3 2012, 10:21 AM) dun talk d, sad. wont be meeting master d. I'm not even top8 diamond but Pairing me with Master make me always lose. I just want to win but playing master Terran in TvT really enjoying. Lose also syok. Feel so satisfy. (Instead of losing to stupid diamond's bio build) |
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Jan 3 2012, 10:42 PM
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Jan 5 2012, 03:01 PM
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Jan 5 2012, 01:42 PM) for those who are really afraid of muta. and is sure that muta is incoming, (scan see lair making, wif more than 2 geyser at around 8m scan~) I'm getting roach rush almost everytime when I do reactor hellion FE. The best thing I feel now is to do a timing push with 3 tanks, kill the natural and then turn back. With gas invested in roaches instead of baneling, timing push to the natural can be done but cannot overextend as the new born wave of roaches/zergling is certain to clear off the 1st timing-push army.you can do anti-timing. 2 fact hellion/ reactor hellion + 4 rax combat shield marine. hit at 9-11 min depending on research timing. damn pain. normally can take out the nat at least. terran got 2 opening. 1 rax FE or reactor hellion FE 1 rax FE take 2 gas make 2 factory, 1 with techlab research blue flame. make to 4 rax. pump hellion and marines only. research combat shield when gas allows. reactor hellion FE make 3 rax after FE research combat shield this build is baneling bust proof, going to be nasty if roach rush incoming but the odds of having roach in tvz. lol. anyway you can still transition into marauder with the amount of rax you have. scan, if see lings, spines, geyser means muta incoming. try to hit when his spire just pop out, and he had spent the resources to make muta. this is when he cant use the 1k min 1k gas into making ground unit. transitions into tank marine medivac smoothly with 3rd base. |
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Jan 9 2012, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE(FLampard @ Jan 7 2012, 01:22 AM) No problem? TvT, TvZ or TvP? QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Jan 7 2012, 11:31 AM) I'm not gonna share strategy with aliens opponent. I'm not Andy Lau nor Tony LeungQUOTE(Nandeska @ Jan 7 2012, 04:23 PM) I will do that ONLY when zerg try to roaches rush me and failed. I wont stay there long also, just do some damage at the natural and get my ass offThis post has been edited by jeffvip: Jan 9 2012, 11:19 AM |
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