QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Jun 15 2011, 03:44 PM)
speed roach is after lair.......6 gate hits way b4 that unless u didnt stop gas for drone saturation. its close spawn -.- and speed roach is not a good deal for me in early game, too many tech involved...losira's bo doesnt have that too
-evo
IM Losira.............his roach all in works btr in belsair beach, xel naga cavern, xel naga fortress these maps wif wide expos where you can find angle. but TBH, im having a hard time to pull it off on shakuras, shattered...the game i lost was on shattered close spawn i was pretty frustrated..felt that nothing i could do...
p/s IM Losira build order is 18 drone, 2 queens, 1 fast roach warren, speedling then 5 roach.....you will be infinitely behind/he can counter you super fast if you cant kill him wo
wat i noe is when his expo is done, normally he will have 30+ probe adi and if i had decided to roach all in, i will have 18 only, and even if i can snipe his expo and forge, im still not in a sure win position. (lost a game in close spawn, killed his expo, he stay 1 base wif 30+ probe and power 5 gate all in me. caught me off guard when i was droning (i had only 18 b4 the all in, must drone back) and die str8 off....
and IM Losira sticks in hatchery till 3 base saturated only start lair right? if i rmb correctly...but he did that on....crevasse and xel naga cavern to alicia right?
you have to be clear to us: is the toss attacking with 4 gate or 6 gate lol.
no way a toss will lose to zherk droning like mad and lair tech.
and thats why i asked, because if you drone mad, 4 gate will kill you there and then. but if he focus on 2 base then 6 gate, your econ is confirmed to outpace him :/
and what too many tech involved? would you rather have ur roach bullied by stalkers kiting you? speed roach only requires 200 gas from lair and speed upg. granted, if you after you got ur tech you can go easy on gas as they are mineral heavy (pull gas off and saturate mineral faster and start spamming army to pressure toss)
also if ur a zerg against toss and ur not doing upgrades (dual evo chamber for example) you're gonna get overpowered by toss chrono forge(s) especially when hes 2 basing.
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and to emphasize on this, look up the protoss thread where i posted a pvz. he 2 base i 1 base 4 gate all in.
HAD he gotten his upgrades, i could've, or would've lost already. but he didnt. no roach speed. no carapace/dmg upgrade, nothing.
hell if i knew his tech so derp, i could suddenly sneak in a stargate and get ONE VR, he would've gg'ed earlier too.
Added on June 15, 2011, 7:20 pmQUOTE(evofantasy @ Jun 15 2011, 06:10 PM)
honestly if i see tat i jz 4 gate u LOL...
pylon still give supply and the forge is only a 150minerals dump
yeah, can always just cancel the forge if it isnt done once you see evocham is thrown down LOL
Added on June 15, 2011, 7:22 pmQUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 15 2011, 06:59 PM)
Cancelling a hatchery = 75 minerals lost
Building an useless Evo Chamber = 75 minerals
One drone = 50 minerals
Plus the lost mining time.
Just to block a Nexus, really?
Oh ya, Spanishiwa is pretty much over-rated.
200 minerals for a deny isnt too much to pay. you see many koreans especially toss doing it against zerg with their pylons. though pylons, is a ton cheaper, and doesnt waste that 1 drone.
This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 15 2011, 07:22 PM 
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