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 The Zerg Strategy v1.0, Cheer for the overmind!

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post Jun 16 2011, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Jun 15 2011, 09:46 PM)
lol, the cancel thingy obviously aint standard but something cool to play wif.

so everyone of you gave diff opinion, some say tech some say drone like mad...well, after playing zerg for 2-3 days only i realized i should engage btr and dun sack army i could have won some of the stupid games i played earlier
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all are correct, you just need to scout and get a grasp of your own timings, and your opponent's timings. you can either play reactive or proactive on zerg (or any other races for that matter) though majority of zerg play reactive due to their easy tech switches with their larvae units.
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post Jun 21 2011, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(keretapir @ Jun 21 2011, 09:25 PM)
how to stop 4-6,7 rax opening with marines+marauders 8,9 minutes into the game?

i can scout them proper,but constant stream of those bios plus banelings r darn expensive to make,esp. me just getting started to saturate my expo.

i kept losing to this sort of aggression.my win-lose rate against this sort of push already at 1-16.since then,i kept getting matched up with bronze players in ladder (thus showing my absurd incompetence in 1v1)
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you need:

BANELINGS BANELINGS BANELINGS OHHHHH~
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post Jun 22 2011, 07:14 AM

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QUOTE(keretapir @ Jun 22 2011, 01:07 AM)
thnx 4 the answer quest...but the last map i kena dis 6 rax mass bio was on delta quadrant.close spawn,so...u can figure that out...
& mostly the terran will put marauders in front.if i just 1A,surely banelings will hit those marauders,wasting the splash dmg..& the 1st wave would be like 12 marines 4 marauders with stim done...forced me to rage quit,since i cant even prep a decent army of banelings sad.gif
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ling and baneling
and dont 1a. do a good surround before you atk move. that way lings will generally chew the rauders and tank dmg while baneling clean sweep marines
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post Jun 22 2011, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Jun 22 2011, 09:56 AM)
who ask u to 1A. if u want to 1A, use protoss.
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OH!
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post Jun 22 2011, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(Keenxlimit @ Jun 22 2011, 07:19 PM)
I usually get gas around 52, with a few supply of lings and 4 queens. I usually make lings to delay for upgraded infestors, but the larvae just cant keep up with only 2 hatch. Maybe I'll try making another hatch after the double evos...
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if you got abundance of minerals, feel free to make macro hatch with queens to inject it as well (not necessarily needed to build at mineral nodes)
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post Jun 24 2011, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Jun 24 2011, 09:43 AM)
DRG : I play Zerg, they are good at defense. Zerg is just the defend race, losing to a rush again and again makes ability in defending very strong.
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they can be an offensive race too, moon/losira shows it quite well lol.
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post Jun 24 2011, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Jun 24 2011, 07:33 PM)
why july is not the 1st name in your mind?
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why would he?
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post Jun 25 2011, 05:07 AM

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QUOTE(keretapir @ Jun 25 2011, 01:14 AM)
that's it...i even lose to a lowly bronze newbie!

my recent losses while using zerg shows the inability to attack & defend..lemme curl meself at the corner of a dark room & cry till i'm sober again..
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dont cry, just play more.
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post Jul 12 2011, 02:44 AM

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QUOTE(SihamZhai @ Jul 12 2011, 01:25 AM)
Guys.. wanna ask.. is it normal for me to be at very high mineral count like with a moderate army and having 1.8k mineral?
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build macro hatcheries and/or expand more. burn those minerals as much as you can. can let ur opponent to drown in lings which is good and if you're already having the upper hand, you kinda guarantee your victory
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post Aug 11 2011, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(sayming @ Aug 11 2011, 02:54 AM)
IDRA FTW!!!  rclxms.gif
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^

definitely. hes packed with entertainment, and these days, i watch esports for the lulz
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post Aug 22 2011, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(pepsi89 @ Aug 22 2011, 03:34 PM)
according to that i can conclude this, all cheese are all ins, but not all ins are cheese, the point of my previous post is still technically correct tongue.gif
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cheese can and cannot be an all in.

cheese is simply that (or you may refer to the wiki link above):
cheesy, a cheesy strat/move.
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post Aug 22 2011, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(pepsi89 @ Aug 22 2011, 07:24 PM)
lol which cheese is not all in? i dont see any, 8 pool? just becuz he droned 2 more workers up? c'mon a good platinum level 4 gate can end the game easily, unless the protoss wall completely off with a forge and canon which is unnecessary
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it could be a mid game cheese, i wonder if mbrt vs a toss is considered as a cheese? if yes theres one lulz.

i mean, by definition, anything that is cheesy, or "cheating" from korean's definition is basically it. im not particularly a frequent cheeser so i cant help answer you on that.
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post Sep 12 2011, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Sep 12 2011, 06:07 PM)
no more NP on colossus and BCs liao....zzz

lucky i finished that crazy zerg achievement where u need to NP a unit and kill like a few units lolz
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i got supreme being quite some time ago ady loolololol
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post Dec 2 2011, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(debiru-man13 @ Dec 2 2011, 04:22 PM)
Yesh, and I don't understand why you wanna beat Insane AI so badly. With 7 minerals per cycle, your only timing window to beat them is prolly within the first 6-8 minutes. After that, with imba income, they will multiply like rabbits.  -__-;
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they have a "multiplication cap" based on the timing windows as scripted into their system. of course, later timing windows gets harder though not impossible for good players and/or AI abusers brows.gif
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post Dec 11 2011, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(yuvster @ Dec 11 2011, 10:40 AM)
What I usually do is send out a couple of lings early to poke into their ramp. Very rarely Terran will bunker up against Zerg unless they're planning some weird tech build. In which event you'll just have to scout and sacrifice an OV to get some information. Played a game with this one guy who just went like mass Ravens once. My mistake for letting it happen and I just had no idea how to counter it. ><
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sure got trolled HARD.
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post Dec 13 2011, 02:27 AM

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QUOTE(xcen @ Dec 13 2011, 02:18 AM)
Indeed, a lot of Zerg strategies are very APM and reflex intensive. Your reflex must be really good in order to win a game. Zerg might be less micro-intensive, but reflex wise I think Zerg is probably the one that needs the fastest reflex.

Do you guys think Zerg is harder to play for beginners? I'm Gold league zerg, but I always find myself losing to high pressure games from Terran/(and sometimes) Toss. When I watch replays, their macro and game sense is terrible, but it seems that their strategies are easier to execute. I'm not saying I'm much better, but I do think that I do a lot of things right, but one wrong decision (like one wave of drones at wrong timing) can just allow the opponent to corner you in, starve you on one/two bases, and win the game.

I don't know, that's just my opinion. Maybe I'm worse than I thought and should focus more on how to deal with early pressures.


Added on December 13, 2011, 2:25 am

I think when you go infestor/ling, positioning and timing is really key. Flank is also extremely extremely helpful.

While if you go for muta/blings, more focus on harassing to keep terran econ down. In major battles, I feel muta/bling is easier, just make sure you split your blings a little, run to the right direction, and make sure mutas don't fly to marines. Whereas for infestor ling, you need to go in at the right moment before the terran split his marines and take center positiion on the map. So you can fungal the marines and the lings can handle the tanks.
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general guideline of zerg needs to be 1 base ahead.

and you need to know when to drone and when to not have nothing but drones to counter a 4 gate/marine all in pressure etc.
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post Mar 25 2012, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(Sichiri @ Mar 25 2012, 03:11 PM)
I outmacro'ed him, denied his third, but then he pushes out and roflstomp my army, then my base.

and you can't basetrade a terran. lol
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brood lord are pretty much your only shot at fighting mech unless ur damn good with your ling/ultra/infestor. and thats assuming he didnt mass tanks like a b**** with level 3 weapons doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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post Apr 16 2012, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Apr 16 2012, 03:14 PM)
Hey do you guys usually put some spore crawlers in your base just in case they rush banshee or phoenix?
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i hug buddha legs when i see banshee flying
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post Apr 16 2012, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Apr 16 2012, 03:44 PM)
Then how you counter them? Muta or hydra?
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build spore (or seer if i not being completely lazy wanna use it) bring queen
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Apr 16 2012, 04:13 PM)
usually u can scout this out...

in ZvP, when they go phoenix, spore is the best way to answer it while u keep droning up behind with some queen support as you are quite safe from an attack for some moment...
hydras are pretty bad vs phoenix btw and mutas are too slow for u to get the count high enuff (u need to pop like 10 mutas together)...
ling infestors are a good solution...

in ZvT there is the new banshee expand build into a timing attack which is scary...
again, u would wanna defend with queens and spores due to the same reason above (hydras fail in ZvT and muta are too slow to get early on)...
hold on until u get enuff resource for mutas...
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what would you use hydras for then?

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