Because he is bumi.

Well, I am also owner, bought from Mahajaya. I saw the layout. GF the same, 1st floor, move the toilet to the balcony so no more balcony which is good! and overall there's about 200 sq feet increase in size compare to mahajaya design. Also, there will be alarm system included. They are also proposing autogate but still in proposal stage. And Actually the price will be more than 600k. Probably around 650-700k. It is not gated only guarded because of a surau and dewan orang ramai around our place. Well, same as you, I paid 500k as well and MS told me no increase in price when we go and sign the new S&P. Imagine, we gain so called 100k++ in value and you get more in term of infrastructue. Behh.. honestly it sounded too good to be true. Must take time read the new S&P.

Also I am not sure if we need to pay legal fee on developer side, with Maha no need but with MS, not sure. This I need to check. And one funny thing is the developer lawyer for Maha keep asking me to sign S&P. He is bloody kan cheong so I need to dig from him what the heck is happening.

Hi Brainworker,

Yes. The sales gallery is open to public but it is not open for sales yet. It's just for registration purposes. I heard they will open up the sales soon (but not sure the tentative date). The layout is basically drawing they put on the wall. It's not in paper format or anything. 2.5 storeys layout is also there and it if very very beautiful!!! The previous Maha version where the GF doesn't have exit at the kitchen area has been revamped. Now they raise the dining floor a foot or two higher with the living room lower but dining+kitchen higher. I can only say a brilliant design compare to Maha. Anyway you have to see it to know what I mean. The price for 2.5 will range from 800k to 900k.
Also, security will cost 100 bucks and clubhouse - 50 bucks. Both must paid by the owner.

I am not sure when will the S&P be ready but I am sure as soon as it is ready, we'll have 'lawyer' flying in informing us to sign it asap . Well, my take on why the lawyer is so 'hardworking' in updating us is they are worried that we might take MS's lawyer instead of them for the S&P and the loan agreement. Anyway it's very obvious there's something fishy as I have never encounter such 'hardworking' lawyer calling me directly updating me every details

The colour code basically means 2 sty, 2 1/2 sty, 2 sty superlink, semi D and bungalow.
The medium cost appt will be opposite surau/dewan orang ramai...
I asked about the design because i found it similar to Maha except 1F and they told me the design nowadays is about the same, also because we bought it from maha first that's why they are sticking to it. but for 2 1/2 the design is better than maha. Comparing to Garden and Kemuning, it is definitely not as 'modern' but in term of location, I would say Kinrara offers the best 'place' to stay with forest reserve at the background and yet 30-45 mins drive to KL city, 20 mins to Sunway, etc. Well, you can't get all can you. Have to weigh the options available vs the $$.

My concern is who is paying the disbursement fee , Legal and Stamp Duty for the new S&P
I am definitely not paying that!!

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Added on August 23, 2010, 12:56 pmHi, I have this question in my mind for a while now regarding the subsales for I&P's projects.
Do you actually managed to sell a 500k house for 650-700k? I understand a lot of investors are holding to it but they have NOT actually manage a sales. Don't get me wrong because initially I bought this place to stay but if the return is THAT good then I might consider selling it so I need input from property investor like you


This post has been edited by mrkenjiro: Aug 23 2010, 04:57 PM

Sorry to hijack this thread a bit but any existing owner for the 2 storeys that received the letter for the new S&P from Mah Sing?

28K for 2 storeys
I went through the S&P we signed with Mahajaya and think we have a case here.
For each additional sq feet extra, we need to pay RM35 but limited to 2% from the original size. As for other deviation or variation differences, it is subject to Purchasers (us) to approve. I am little p*ssed off with the way MH is handling this as it was communicated verbally by the lawyer that there will be no increase in price.
Also, it is mentioned in the S&P that these variations must be itemised and each item must be followed by the exact cost.

As you owner too or?

Hi Yoki, I bought from earlier developer at 500k for 2 storeys.

You said it, it's paper gain...

That's exactly what I meant...

Ok, for existing house owner, I just called Mah Sing on the so called 'upgrade package'. It is OPTIONAL.

Which means:
1. If you are taking it you are getting whatever it was mentioned in the letter.
2. If you are NOT taking it then you'll be getting the old fascade by Mahajaya but you'll get the pergola.

Anyway tomorrow I am meeting up with ppl from Mah Sing for further clarification on this. Also, this upgrade package is not something urgent. The important thing is now to sign the s&p so that they can start work. The upgrade package can comes later...

I'll keep everyone posted.

Yes, I understand what you are saying. But nevertheless I need to get a confirmation from MS on what are the differences between upgrade and non upgrade. I suspect it could be internally different but exterior to remain the same as new fascade. Will keep you guys posted.

I was there last Saturday and spoke to MS's staff and the lawyer Mr Ng. They are asking me to sign 2 things
1. New S&P
2. The upgrade form (whether to upgrade or not)

I don't whether I want to take up the upgrade package or not...

3 options
- pay by cash
- included in s&p (if you want to finance it)
- or 6 months installment (pay direct to MS)

If you choose not to upgrade
- you will get the old Mahajaya floor plan
- old facade but they give the pergola and lourve thingy so that to make it look 'similar' from afar
- no extra sq feet
- no club house
- no alarm
- no centrex

For owner that purchase from Mahajaya, you need to decide now whether to upgrade or not because the new floor plan will be included into the S&P. And MS has already lost 6 months of construction time... they need to deliver in 1.5 years

This post has been edited by mrkenjiro: Oct 5 2010, 12:23 PM

Can I see a show of hand who're the owners??
Well... I did quick maths on those 'tangible'

1. Different Facade - MS's design comes with full length window from ceiling to floor and also a gain of almost 200 sq feet here. That would probably cost RM10k maybe?
2. Extra 200 sq - based on s&p, any variation on the size will be borne by purchaser but limited to 2% of the original size. this means I only need to pay 2%*2280*RM35=RM1596
3. Home Alarm - My current home only cost me RM1.3k with motion sensor. MS's Home Alarm is with conceal wiring, motion sensor, vibration sensor probably will cost double?? RM2.6k
4. Quality floor and wall - not idea how much. RM5k?
5. Centrex system - an intercom with the guard house. Dunno how much also. 1k?
6. Clubhouse - MS said they spent 4mil on that.

Total tangible cost = RM20k. About 8k different to their asking price. Actually I think 28k is a bit too steep but if you are sitting there comparing the design and facade, MS's design is far better and also a point to note is that they know how to utilise space...

Anyway I requested MS to itemised the costing (as per s&p) for each of this but they said it is impossible as they will not be able to breakdown the cost of the clubhouse...

This post has been edited by mrkenjiro: Oct 5 2010, 04:11 PM

Hi, I have not sign the s&p yet. You need to call up the lawyer to sign it up. The lawyer informed me that there will be some changes but I have not seen the s&p myself yet. Bring your old one when you go sign and compare before signing
1. Name of the parties - MH, MJ and us
2. Name of the properties - KR
3. Price property - if you are taking the upgrade package
4. Floor plan.

The deadline is not 3rd of Oct. You can drop anytime the gallery and sign the form.

Hi, I own the 2 storeys house but was never informed of such offer. It could be only applicable for those that purchased the show units.

Update for those that have yet to sign the s&p (purchased from Mahajaya).

I have read the s&p and the contract (service for security, etc) and it is almost 99% identical to the original signed with Mahajaya. The only differences are

1. The parties (MS, MH and you)
2. Price (if you decided to take the upgrade package and want to incorporate into your loan)
3. Layout (if you decided to take the upgrade package)
4. Schedule 4 (It's for the breakdown of the payment, again if you decide to take upgrade package)
5. Also, when I compare the number of aircon point, lighting point, fan point, etc, there's significant differences... E.g. MH's s&p mentioned 6 aircon point but MS's only 4.
6. Lastly, most important - the completion date will now shift accordingly to the new s&p. This mean we are going to get our property 5 months late - for this you can request for an undertaking letter from MS saying you want it ready according to the earlier s&p but there're many concerns on this.

I personally have not sign yet but when I was there, 4 families signed and all 4 took the upgrade package.
Also, I went to Melody to take a look... damn the workmanship is good but the layout wasn't that pratical especially for 26X70 type (the rooms are so small). Subsales going from RM750k now... bloody expensive.

Look, I am not pointing finger at anymore but your view is blantly bias.
You might be bloody loaded to 'ok' the 28k/50k without thinking much. Some people like me need to pay 30 years of installment through my nose on this house so i need to consider when there's changes to the price we're paying.

You said we are the luckiest property buyers and we 'already' gained 170k. I sell to you 728k, you want? It's not a gain until I managed to sell it, ok. I initially bought it from MH not anticipating any gain whatsoever. You should have seen the first day it was launched, there was only 8 ppl including me. I bought to stay not flip. I hope you respect the discussion we have here and not simply giving any inconstructive comment . No one is forcing MS to deliver within 1.5 years, just that it was stipulated in MH's contract and if it is written in a contract, we have right to question it and the fact is MS's staff verbally confirm there is
- No price increment
- No delay in delivery. Both are lies but we can't prove it. Why? Because it is verbally. That's why things stated in contract is bloody important to me.
In the contract also stated every delay (in day) to vacant possession, we are to get 10% per annum from the sales price as compensation! So now I 'lost' (10%*500k)*(152/365days)=RM20821! Who is paying me that?! And now MS comes and ask 28k to make my house more beautiful... Can you imagine the frustration...