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post Jul 28 2010, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(eugenechiuu @ Jul 28 2010, 08:54 PM)
Hi, I am a total newbie when it comes to DSLR, just came across the NEX series recently and really interested in it, so I wanna ask all the pros here whether it's a good camera and what are the pros and cons, sufficient for an entry level? And I saw the price list posted on the 1st page, where can I get those prices cause I thought cameras are all fixed price just diff goodies..
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yea its a very very good camera for that size. smile.gif cons a...well it could be cheaper. tongue.gif

u can get those prices at any camera shop selling sony goods...

only those that u buy from sony style are fixed price...
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post Jul 28 2010, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(eugenechiuu @ Jul 28 2010, 09:17 PM)
I planning to get the NEX-3, since NEX-5 only offers better video in which 720P in NEX-3 is already sufficient I think... Is there any difference though getting at other shops? Do they offer freebies like Sony Stylez does?

So it's better to get the 18-55mm instead of 16mm right?
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why not u do a survey and tell us? laugh.gif don't pay too much attention for the freebies though..compare the price of the lens and body is more important..

hmmm..for beginners i would suggest the 18-55mm to get a feel of zoom lens la..although 16mm is a very good choice too. brows.gif having said that, 2 also buy la!!! tongue.gif
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post Jul 28 2010, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(eugenechiuu @ Jul 28 2010, 09:31 PM)
Hahaha... sorry if this is a noob question, but what can the 16mm do that the 18-55m cant?
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the 16mm cannot zoom lor laugh.gif
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post Jul 28 2010, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(eugenechiuu @ Jul 28 2010, 09:34 PM)
Nono I know that lar.. I mean what does the 16mm have but 18-55mm dun have??? Is it better taking close up photos?
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erm. a 16mm does not have a 55mm? unsure.gif
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post Jul 28 2010, 09:38 PM

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for those who are lazy to click the link:

New Sony DSLR lenses previewed - Sony 85mm f/2.8 SAM (SAL85F28) by Damien Demolder

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This really does not look or feel like a full frame lens. It weighs 175g and has a plastic barrel and a plastic mount. I had to try it on the A900 just to make sure it wasn't designed just for APS-C. When on the camera it makes so little difference to the over all weight that you might need to constantly check you have a lens attached at all. Built to a Sonnar-style design it features just six elements in five groups, and uses Sony's SAM (Smooth Autofocus Motor) to drive the AF.

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To be honest I didn't expect it to be much good. It feels like a cheap kit lens, and a maximum aperture of f/2.8 – slow for this focal length – suggests some stopping-down to mask optical problems. The 85mm portrait lens is still very much in fashion, but most feature an aperture wider than f/2 – f/1.2 being the ultimate and f/1.8 the norm. F/2.8 seems somewhat staid in comparison.

In use it actually performs very well. The unit I was using was not completely finished, but it didn't show. The AF is quick and the pictures are sharp. Although f/2.8 doesn't allow the low-light working that wider apertures do, it is still respectable, and in fact most ultra-wide aperture 85mm lenses do not perform at their best wide open. In practical terms too, for a headshot f/1.4 presents depth of field a little too shallow - except for showing off shallow depth of field.

Working wide-open and at a distance of just a few feet, I found depth of field just about shallow enough without feeling I wanted to open the aperture any more. A diffused desk lamp allowed a hand-hold-able shutter speed of 1/50sec at ISO 1600 – so I didn't feel deprived at all.

The resulting images are sharp and crisp, with attractive out of focus areas. In all, I am very pleased with the results.

Sony has yet to announce a price for this lens, but a spokesperson has indicated to me that we should expect it to cost in the region of £175. To be frank, in the hand the lens feels like a £175 lens, but the results demonstrate that it really will be excellent value for money. The existing 85mm option for Sony users is the Carl Zeiss T* 85mm f/1.4 ZA (SAL85F14Z), which will set you back a more full-frame-price of £1200.

The new lens is due to go on sale in September.

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post Jul 28 2010, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(wingster @ Jul 28 2010, 09:42 PM)
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Too bad it is F2.8 but if the price is very freaking cheap then it would be great biggrin.gif
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but what the guy said seems true..

you won't be shooting f1.4 all the time or f1.8..

depth of field a bit too shallow sometimes..anyway that's personal preference biggrin.gif although the light gathering capability at f1.4 is alluring ><
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post Jul 28 2010, 10:19 PM

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i am sure the 85mm SAM focuses faster than the tamron sp90. no? unsure.gif
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post Jul 28 2010, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(cassplayer @ Jul 28 2010, 10:24 PM)
Weight shouldn't be a problem, but why is it heavier ah? Different body build? Magnesium? Or it's bigger than normal SLR's?
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sensor bigger ma... sure need bigger build..

it has a rugged magnesium alloy body that's sealed against moisture and dust for added durability also ma..
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post Jul 28 2010, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(achew @ Jul 28 2010, 10:17 PM)
other than no liveview..basically i have totally no complain at all..

also take note its a lil bit heavy..for me its okay..but not everyone like to carry it whole day tho....everytime i pass my camera to my friend..the first thing is always "wtf! y so heavy! "
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u throw them NEX with 18-55 also they will say heavy one la. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Jul 28 2010, 10:39 PM)
i tested the a850 in the curve the other day when i wanna see the nex.. GRR!!!! im abit poisoned... the a850 soooo solid.
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bro... u really need to work on your poison shield tongue.gif bruce.gif
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post Jul 28 2010, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(achew @ Jul 28 2010, 10:48 PM)
ok la..to me..i wont sacrifice quality in exchange for few hundred grams lighter....mean time can take it as exercise ma..lol....not as if we would have to carry it 10hours everyday..once in awhile only should be fine i guess.....
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i totally agree with you!!!

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QUOTE(ianho @ Jul 28 2010, 10:56 PM)
Sony where got advertise n specify the A900 n A850 as weather proof?????
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oops. the link i got my source from seems broken one. my bad. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(ahpingko @ Jul 28 2010, 10:55 PM)
guys....what is the price for sony 42am flash now?...for new unit...
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Sony HVL-F42AM = RM7xx

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post Jul 28 2010, 11:27 PM

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but then again the AF speed factor comes in play.

generally, correct me if i am wrong, macro lenses have much slower AF speed.

but that again, if your main purpose is to only shoot still moving portraits and nothing more(apart from macro), i guess the sp90 is a better deal, no? hmm.gif
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post Jul 29 2010, 09:23 AM

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very nice panning! thumbup.gif
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i wonder whether the rumored 16-80mm f2.8-3.5 is true..then at least got something for me to dream about tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ianho @ Jul 29 2010, 11:02 AM)
Haiyoooooooo, u wanna dream then dream BIG la. Apasai dream so small?  Faster go back to sleep n dream of Carl Zeiss 16-35 n 24-70.   tongue.gif
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waddd.. that one CZ also larrr..not big enough merrrr... sweat.gif

i believe some dreams do come true..so better dream a bit more realistic ones tongue.gif

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post Jul 29 2010, 11:18 AM

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16-80CZ is cheapo? if really that model comes out it would be the best in its range i think. hmm.gif *dreamss* (hopefully it will be cheaper than canon's 17-55 f2.8 sweat.gif )

no FF for me for the next few years so that baby zeiss is premium~

cannot dream too big also. must dream those that is achievable whistling.gif
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post Jul 29 2010, 11:24 AM

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i hope the new lenses dun just stop att the 35mm,85mm and 24mm unsure.gif


Added on July 29, 2010, 11:25 am
QUOTE(ianho @ Jul 29 2010, 11:23 AM)
If mankind only dream of achievable things it's not called dreaming n we will still be living in caves lor.  It's when man dream of going to the moon that we progress. Cave man would have said going to the moon is not achievable but some fella dreamed about it n mankind eventually did it.  So, always dream BIG.  thumbup.gif
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you are right boss.

i will dream of the CZ 300mm f2.8 tonight. rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif

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QUOTE(kevinwcw @ Jul 29 2010, 11:27 AM)
actually tis time quite dissapointed at the sony new lens...the build quality is dropping..maybe they want to create a new range lens for cheaper price...due to low budget dslr keep on releasing...
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have u read the reviews? although the build quality sucks but the image quality is still very good(for the 85mm).

waiting for the full review though.

like what sifu albnok said, now we can sneak a 85mm lens into a concert without much attention. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(kevinwcw @ Jul 29 2010, 11:32 AM)
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like what you said wait for the full review...not comfirm yet about the IQ
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well the IQ for the pre-released lens looks good to me even at wide open biggrin.gif

dunno have u read what i copied n pasted earlier:

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=35250500

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