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kingkong19985
post Feb 28 2014, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(ginming @ Jul 11 2012, 05:21 PM)
hi All, am planing to do my house renovation as well. From time to time am reading this forum, i have actually compiled the bad contractor's names as below. That are topics that i have read through, but of coz a lot topic i haven read yet. These are what i have compiled but not all.

David Chow Yong Ee, from BELLWAY HOMES, based in Jalan PU 2/5, Puchong, Selangor

Fong Wai Yip from Fong Brother Design & Renovation. His number is 010-339 9934 & 017-222 7144 from Tmn Sri Ampang.

HOUZ DEPOT

Toh (Ah Meng)
0162644838

Zakaria from Puchong HP 0123537084

Y & H renovation - Chua

Ananth from Hygeia Rising Tech address PUJ 5 in Puncak Jalil

SengHuat roof repair and plumbing services
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Houz Depot ???
what going on??
fail to delivery or others issue ??
mind to share it ? cos want buy some hardware from there
nikolas010
post Mar 2 2014, 07:47 AM

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BAD CONTRACTOR Ben Chuah Eng Lock

Recently, somebody has been cheated again in Dec 2015. Read comment from the victim.
http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/...or-c702538.html

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Name: Ben Chuah Eng Lock
H/P: 017-2604042
Car plate: WNG 6808
Company address: LOT 765-B-10, JLN SUBANG 4, SG PENAGA, USJ SUBANG.
Private FB: https://www.facebook.com/englock.chuah
Company FB: https://www.facebook.com/ZANOTTASTUDIO
Company website: http://www.zanotta.com.my/

Please read this blog for real cases.
http://badcontractorbenchuah.blogspot.com/

This post has been edited by nikolas010: Mar 9 2016, 06:33 AM
go2011
post May 8 2014, 11:08 PM

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Beware of this contractor
Location: Johor
Company: Ten Plus Renovation and Construction
Contractor Name: Mr. Goh Siang Lin
Car plate: JEF 3901

Irresponsible and lousy workmanship. Always try to cheat money and spoil your house original condition and ask for more money. Only completed 80% work and run away.
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post May 15 2014, 02:08 PM

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Hi guys,

Just wanna share another experience with bad contractors.
I'm an ID, and luckily it is a very small project. I didnt use my regular teams because we are focusing to deliver on another whole house reno project.

They are really sweet talkers saying they are doing alot of jobs here and there.
We settled with 50% deposit & 50% after completion but these cheapo contractors keep asking for progressive payment to buy materials.

PLEASE BE AWARE.

Name : MR YEE (old man 70)
Name : Yee Yan Keong (his elder son)
Name : Yee Yan Kong (his younger son)

Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/ststanley.lim.5?fref=ts

Phone numbers :
MR YEE : 0122869581
YEE YAN KEONG : 014 668 6849
YEE YAN KONG : 016 363 0667
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WiredBrain
post May 17 2014, 11:12 AM

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I'm having problems with my contractor too. I've paid about 85% of the agreed amount. Currently, I'm not satisfied with:

1. the quality of the front grill, the painting was so amateurish
2. the kitchen cabinets, with scratch marks and worn out edges


Am I legally allowed to not pay him for such poor workmanship? Anyone having similar experience? Thank you.
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post May 30 2014, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(WiredBrain @ May 17 2014, 11:12 AM)
I'm having problems with my contractor too. I've paid about 85% of the agreed amount. Currently, I'm not satisfied with:

1. the quality of the front grill, the painting was so amateurish
2. the kitchen cabinets, with scratch marks and worn out edges
Am I legally allowed to not pay him for such poor workmanship? Anyone having similar experience? Thank you.
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have you talked to him about this matter? let him know and ask him to fix it until you are satisfied with what is promised by them. then you can release the remaining to them.

do not solve the problem yourself or plan to not paying without notifying beforehand.
velocity555
post Dec 10 2014, 10:12 AM

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I think there are too many problematic renovation contractors out there who don't keep to their words & promise.
We thought that the contractor recommended by friends (those that work as engineers) and family are ok, but sad to say, it's not ok.

Problems that are commonly faced:
1) job delayed for 3 months to 1 year (I have a friend whose renovation job has been delayed for 2 years and still working. Mine was delayed for 4 months)
2) water leakages after total replacement of roof (4 -8 incidents in less than 1 year)
3) big cracks & small cracks on walls & tiles in almost everywhere in the house (living room, car porsch, bed rooms, kitchen)
4) floor tiles crack
5) don't follow architect's drawing or your specifications
6) contractors try to coax you to accept what he/she had done, which you don't want
7) when you approach them with the issues, they will try to avoid addressing the issue and tell you that "it's like that."
8) with all the problems, the contractors still think they are right and we are demanding (for asking them to do the renovation that we want in the first place) ?
9) contractors don't supervise their workers
10)you thought that appointing a main contractor to handle all jobs (demolish & construction of a house, electrical, water piping, plaster ceiling, floor tiling, kitchen, cabinets & furniture, windows, glasses, grills, etc) will be smooth and easy. However, if you get a problematic main contractor, all the jobs will come with many issues during and after construction.

I am just another disappointed customer who got another lousy contractor.
Is it really so tough to find a good contractor in Malaysia?
TEIN
post Dec 10 2014, 01:51 PM

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Do you all pay fully when renovation done or will hold back some percentage ?
Lexan polycarbonate
post Dec 10 2014, 01:56 PM

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Hi all


If u guys looking a good contractor

https://www.facebook.com/pages/House-Renova...47224?pnref=lhc

This post has been edited by Lexan polycarbonate: Dec 10 2014, 01:57 PM
sbeck99
post Dec 11 2014, 09:21 AM

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After i read through this forum there is so many bad experience encounter by LY forumer.

May i know you all guys didn't sign any black&white with constructor before carried out renovations?
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post Dec 18 2014, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(TEIN @ Dec 10 2014, 01:51 PM)
Do you all pay fully when renovation done or will hold back some percentage ?
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We hold some money back.
Normally it's 5%.

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post Dec 18 2014, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(sbeck99 @ Dec 11 2014, 09:21 AM)
After i read through this forum there is so many bad experience encounter by LY forumer.

May i know you all guys didn't sign any black&white with constructor before carried out renovations?
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Of course we signed.
I believe most of us did.
In my case, we even provide architect's drawing which is approved by the local council (for eg. DBKL, MBPJ)
But the contractors will always twist the words.

I think most people who have dealt with contractors will understand the situation.

Of course, I don't mean all contractors are bad.
But mostly in Malaysia are below average.

The moral of my story is when you are doing renovation work, you need to be:
1) firm
2) stick to your plan
3) don't have sympathy (even it means tearing down a 1,000 sf area which was not constructed to your requirement/plan. contractor will always tell you, I have already completed this part, how? If you want me to tear it down and re-build, it will take another 2-3 months and need more cost)
4) don't be accommodating
5) need to oversee the project on every 2-3 days

Therefore, apart from having blacklisted contractor, we should also have a list of good contractors.
But to be fair to the contractor, we should at least describe what job/project did the contractor take.

This post has been edited by velocity555: Dec 18 2014, 11:05 PM
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post Mar 26 2015, 06:26 AM

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QUOTE(AliceLiew7728 @ Sep 19 2012, 12:41 AM)
Seems like everyone so fed up with contractors. Not all contractor are bad. Bad/good contractor are not easy to identify.

But usually the  good/sincere one will do detail quotation before you make 1st payment when everything is finalised to suit your preference. Everything is much secured in BLACK & WHITE.

I myself is sales designer. When I do quotation, I quote very detail one. I dont do lump sum quotation. It's not beneficial to me, neither owner.

I spend a lot time to talk to my customer, to identify their needs, their preference (design/concept), and their concerns.

Before the reno works begin, I'll request my customer to sit down and listen to me what we have finalized because owner tend to forget what they've choose earlier. I'll even request them to sign the designs they've finalized, to protect the owner themselves and myself. Anything gone wrong can refer back to the 'SIGNED' papers.

I wont call myself contractor even though Im doing their job scopes.

Do PM me if any of you need quotations for your reno works, especially carpentry works~  smile.gif  smile.gif
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Are you freelancer? or you setup own company?
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post Mar 26 2015, 06:31 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Aug 7 2012, 02:30 PM)
If you have experience is easy, other wise is another disaster.
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Then at most hired additional reliable PM (designer) smile.gif
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post Mar 26 2015, 06:34 AM

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Frankly speaking, really hardly to see good quality contractor.
Some that doing good for someone else, might not be going good for you too due to lot of project.

I do not mean there is no good contractor, but probably not easy to find. and even you found it, it might cost you a bomb.

I do have some contacts that doing good work in the past, very cheap too smile.gif but most is going to retired soon.

Recently I saw few of my friend is hiring workers directly, (1 of them is designer) so he lead the entire project. the rest is hiring one freelancer designer.
Looks everything going well and priced at superb rate.

If you go to others renovator, big chances they sub sub sub here and there for you. end up, why not you host yourself.
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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Jul 21 2010, 10:41 PM)
ofcoz need to nego price but don nego til too ridiculous. Just get a fair price and don under pay them because they will reduce the material quality.
Eg: U ask 4-5 contractors to quote den u say that contractor quoted me RM 10k while he quoted u RM 15k. Den after agreeing the amount, later u press again say this say that den wan 2 reduce another rm 2k. The contractor will get pissed off. Some will finish the job for you den put some cement inside your toilet bowl pipe or something else and give u headache.
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Agree, keep pressing contractor is not a good thing. end up they give you shit output.
But in another hand, some contractor just markup way too high for everything.

For example:-
They put 3 indonesian that been paid RM100 x 60 days = RM 18000.
Some basic material that less than RM20k
And own supervisory once awhile....

and they can charge RM 180,000

if get them to buy the material, they might even markup more.

Why I said so:-
Just coincident i got a group of friend buy semi d at semenyih.

Mr A, Extend kitchen and the above floor, move toilet location, knock few walls, and cabling and etc....with all material...
He outsource all at once at RM450k.

Mr B, do the same by buying own material, just outsource to the same vendor
Better material at RM80k, workmanship RM250k

Mr C, do all same, find another contractor.
Better quality, same material = RM81k (duno why extra 1k)
workmanship, RM80k

Mr D, do all same, find one designer + worker.
material even much much better = RM100k, designer(pm) = RM25k , worker = RM27000 (he paid RM150 per day)
on top of that he buy rice and drinks for the worker also.

end up mr D output is the best and cheapest
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post Apr 17 2015, 05:36 PM

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We are having an open house this weekend for our newly completed renovation project.

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post Apr 17 2015, 06:06 PM

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Really some scary shit...

Sometimes... I feel its better to fork out the extra cash and get some reputable/award wining ppl to do it... pay the premium atleast u sleep wqell at night
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post Apr 17 2015, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(techhunter @ Mar 26 2015, 07:00 AM)
Agree, keep pressing contractor is not a good thing. end up they give you shit output.
But in another hand, some contractor just markup way too high for everything.

For example:-
They put 3 indonesian that been paid RM100 x 60 days = RM 18000.
Some basic material that less than RM20k
And own supervisory once awhile....

and they can charge RM 180,000

if get them to buy the material, they might even markup more.

Why I said so:-
Just coincident i got a group of friend buy semi d at semenyih.

Mr A, Extend kitchen and the above floor, move toilet location, knock few walls, and cabling and etc....with all material...
He outsource all at once at RM450k.

Mr B, do the same by buying own material, just outsource to the same vendor
Better material at RM80k, workmanship RM250k

Mr C, do all same, find another contractor.
Better quality, same material = RM81k (duno why extra 1k)
workmanship, RM80k

Mr D, do all same, find one designer + worker.
material even much much better = RM100k, designer(pm) = RM25k , worker = RM27000 (he paid RM150 per day)
on top of that he buy rice and drinks for the worker also.

end up mr D output is the best and cheapest
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You are right bro..


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post May 21 2015, 01:49 PM

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My neighbor here in Penang, spoke wth him ths mrning cos saw him compltng his reno ! Don't knw true or not, he told me his cost !

1) Area of extension : 24 ft x 18 ft, 2-storys.
2) WEt wrks, strcture of bldg., footing (6 of thm), pillars (6 of them), beams, walls : RM87.5K
3) Windws: RM1.5K
4) Tiling : up to 7 ft only, totl area to be tiles is 350 sf - RM3.8K
5) Plaster ciling + cornis : only upstrs, 24 ft x 18 ft - RM2K
6) Elktrikal Wirng - only loopng, not from sub-db, about 20 points - lights and powr - RM600, but he boght his own cables and power sockets and swtches.
7) Build a nice strcture at the back, 5-ft reting wall wth a nice staircase going up to anothr level : RM4K
8) Paintng : RM2.5K
9) Some misc tht he spent here and there : RM1K

I thnk it's quite cheap, he could be lyng to me... hmm.gif hmm.gif Am I right ?

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