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post Jul 19 2010, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(masahito @ Jul 19 2010, 02:52 PM)
lol.

when you bring p&s to shoot street, people are less likely to notice it.
when you bring your bloody farking big dslr and wear your jacket and sling bag with big canon/nikon logo on it, people think you are the journalist and give you duck face.

damn true?
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Not all dslr users bring a mountain of lenses, and wear big canon/nikon logo on it. Are you saying that there are no good photos from people using DSLR in street photography?

I am not saying that being discreet is wrong, I am just against a blanket rule that says DSLR users have to stay away from street photography and that compact or ranger finder is a must.

Not to mention, your ruel

QUOTE(samurai1337 @ Jul 19 2010, 02:53 PM)
It's not a bad approach, but not possible for frequent travelers like me - there's no way I can hang out at the same place for 1 week just to build relationship.

And rather than just shooting snapshots of landmark while traveling, I love street photography more - it reflects the culture and lifestyle (I'm no way a good street photographer though)
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I was just pointing out an approach, not that everyone has to use it. Of course I know that it doesn't work for everyone. It doesn't even work for me and I love street photography when I travel as well.

But I don't find ppl giving me the grumpies or the middle finger with my dslr with 50mm/35mm attached. It doesn't have to be bulky all the time.

I guess those 3 rules jst annoyed me. biggrin.gif


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post Jul 19 2010, 06:33 PM

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Regarding SLRs are more suitable or not it doesn't really matter, the point is u gotta get a nice Street/Candid pic regardless of wat type of camera u are using...

Malaysia have bunch of Street/Candid photogs... Chot Touch is one of the founder of Street/Candid shooters and he is only using 50mm f1.8 and UWA lens and yet, he produce lotsa awesome Street/Candid shots... And he did sell T-Shirts with words like "Street Candid Is Not A Crime"

I think we can learn from him... Lol...
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post Jul 19 2010, 07:11 PM

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Hello Sir,

Street ain't about good picture of whatever.
For you information, It is not the same as you go to restaurant, you order some food and you compose and snap it again and again. Street is about capture the good moment. Fast and unpredictable. It require street photographer to shoot fast.
They train their eye ready for that next decisive moment.

Street photographer doesn't care much about the noise in the picture like you do. Noise can be beautiful.

Street photo has a story inside that picture.


The camera is just a tool. Right?

Q. Why street photographer prefer pro P&S(Ricoh GRD, GX, Canon G9,10,11, Sigma DP1) and rangefinder(Leica, Voigtländer)?
A. It is damn small, fast, quite and doesn’t get many attention from people.
Unless you are pusssy using 300mm lens.


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post Jul 19 2010, 08:17 PM

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^ you wanna define who's a street photographer? One that shoots exclusively street? Or someone who shoots the street casually?

The first thing your posted in this thread is about 'dslr fag'. See photography is not exclusive to SLR users, so if you think the streets is an area that should be reserved for non-SLR users because you think they need a place they can shoot free from the intrusion of a big black thing called an SLR camera, no, it is not.

I get that insecurity. I came from a PnS.

It's like saying the normal road is not for supercars like a Ferrari F430 because other road users will be wary of it. See even in Sepang track they say a Volks Beetle can participate in their track day.

Ok maybe the analogy is a bit stretched but I hope you get my idea.

No joke, I have yet to see an SLR user wearing shirt with a brand embossed big big on it with a big bag with the brand name embossed big big on it. The most I see is one lugging tripod.

And SLR users don't normally wear that vest thing that is oh-so associated with photographers.

This post has been edited by DJFoo000: Jul 19 2010, 08:55 PM
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post Jul 19 2010, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(masahito @ Jul 19 2010, 02:16 PM)
rule of street.

1. no dslr fag. seriously. please stay away. go shoot flower or something.
2. serious compact or range finder is a must.
3. BW.
5. Don't be rude. Smile always.
6. ask permission before take pictar.
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Street with big azz medium format. Myth busted? hmm.gif whistling.gif
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post Jul 19 2010, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(HiroBoroi @ Jul 19 2010, 10:10 PM)
oi hiro, where have u been? missing u lo~! hahaha


there is no rules unless we set ourselves. its about art. its about abstract~! whistling.gif


Added on July 19, 2010, 11:47 pmif this can consider candid, then dats my job when i was 2nd photographer tongue.gif
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post Jul 20 2010, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(Isepunye @ Jul 19 2010, 11:38 PM)
oi hiro, where have u been? missing u lo~! hahaha
there is no rules unless we set ourselves. its about art. its about abstract~! whistling.gif


Added on July 19, 2010, 11:47 pmif this can consider candid, then dats my job when i was 2nd photographer tongue.gif
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Masih ada tongue.gif . Aku dok tunggu akak kau Miss Tranny post tapi tak de pon. flex.gif Lantak le apa camera nak guna atas jalan (street photo). Janji gambar cun. rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(HiroBoroi @ Jul 20 2010, 12:19 AM)
Masih ada  tongue.gif . Aku dok tunggu akak kau Miss Tranny post tapi tak de pon.  flex.gif  Lantak le apa camera nak guna atas jalan (street photo). Janji gambar cun.  rclxm9.gif
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hahaha cis da hilang geng gelak surang igt g mane merajok surang2 tongue.gif haha aku PM tranny tgk ape reply dier nnt biggrin.gif

ye betol~! aku sukung~! tak kire gune camera ape pon, janji dpt output yg kite bayang kan~! icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(masahito @ Jul 19 2010, 07:11 PM)
Hello Sir,

Street ain't about good picture of whatever.
For you information, It is not the same as you go to restaurant, you order some food and you compose and snap it again and again. Street is about capture the good moment. Fast and unpredictable. It require street photographer to shoot fast.
They train their eye ready for that next decisive moment.

Street photographer doesn't care much about the noise in the picture like you do. Noise can be beautiful.

Street photo has a story inside that picture.
The camera is just a tool. Right?

Q. Why street photographer prefer pro P&S(Ricoh GRD, GX, Canon G9,10,11, Sigma DP1) and rangefinder(Leica, Voigtländer)?
A. It is  damn small, fast, quite and doesn’t get many attention from people.
Unless you are pusssy using 300mm lens.
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Hello Sir,

If the camera is just a tool, then why in the world are you saying that DSLR users stay away and a rangefinder/compact is a must? Contradict yourself much?

And nowhere did I say a good picture is one without noise, with focus spot on, observing the rules of third, with a straight horizon line etc. So stop assuming and stop trying to fit all DSLR users into a mould that you have pre-determined.

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post Jul 20 2010, 01:11 PM

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It's definitely not a "rule" saying that DSLR must be avoided during street photography.

It's just a general impression by the people that if you carry a big gun with you, you must be some journalists (I know many of the DSLR users want to argue this, but unfortunately it's true to some degree)

It's just like finding a balance between taking good photograph and making the people feel comfortable - and many believe that a serious compact is the perfect balance

This is not entirely true though, I guess DSLR users just have to try to be casual - wear casually, use a light prime lens and be friendly. Having said that, even if you carry a Ixus or LX-3 but you still act like a pain in the ass, you'll still offend people smile.gif
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Depend on area also... if I go walkabout in some touristy area in Taipei, people won't really notice or give 2 hoots whether I'm shooting with compact or small dslr (those monster dslr with big white lens is a diff story la) but at the same time, if its some lorong belakang thingy, even shooting with a muted compact will arouse suspicion.
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QUOTE(masahito @ Jul 19 2010, 02:52 PM)
lol.

when you bring p&s to shoot street, people are less likely to notice it.
when you bring your bloody farking big dslr and wear your jacket and sling bag with big canon/nikon logo on it, people think you are the journalist and give you duck face.

damn true?
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who the hell wears a jacket nowadays ? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(masahito @ Jul 19 2010, 02:16 PM)
rule of street.

1. no dslr fag. seriously. please stay away. go shoot flower or something.
2. serious compact or range finder is a must.
3. BW.
5. Don't be rude. Smile always.
6. ask permission before take pictar.
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1. DSLR? haha. seriously. i see you're saying DSLR being being. have you seen how small a 350D / D40 with 50mm lens look? it's not that much bigger than a pro-sumer (hard to find those nowadays).

but more importantly, do you know how many people are using SLR + prime lens for street shoot?

2. NO. there's no rule on what you should use.

3. BW? since when? LOL. 3 points down, your understanding of STREET photography is skewed badly.

4. some how you missed point #4. typo or what, LOL.

5. this one applies to every area of photography, you're just mentioning the obvious.

6. not necessarily. if you're shooting a mamak making teh tarik, then it's good idea to ask but if you're just randomly shooting at the street of people waiting for bus with no focus on any particular person's face as a subject, are you gonna get everyone's permission?


Added on July 20, 2010, 3:59 pm
QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jul 20 2010, 01:28 PM)
Depend on area also... if I go walkabout in some touristy area in Taipei, people won't really notice or give 2 hoots whether I'm shooting with compact or small dslr (those monster dslr with big white lens is a diff story la) but at the same time, if its some lorong belakang thingy, even shooting with a muted compact will arouse suspicion.
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should ask empire23 on his AUS case. biggrin.gif they're pretty strict, especially if you're like sitting at the park holding long lens shooting randomly.

parents can call the cops to check on you.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 20 2010, 03:49 PM)

should ask empire23 on his AUS case. biggrin.gif they're pretty strict, especially if you're like sitting at the park holding long lens shooting randomly.

parents can call the cops to check on you.
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1D3 + long lens = not a good idea + Empy is a lil "different" tongue.gif

For angmo countries... shooting in touristy area + "I'm a tourist" dress code is alright.

Street photo doesn't mean have to dress like photographer or gangsta rebel artist yada yada. Since getting my camera, I also lepak shooting everywhere and everything in the city in shorts and sneakers... nobody kacau also.
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good point there. empire23 being Malaysian in cold weather place, sure lagi arouse suspicion. biggrin.gif
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Would like to share on privacy and legal issue of street photography / or any photography, i would like to recommend this book "Legal Handbook for Photographers: The Rights and Liabilities of Making Images" written by Bert Krages.

http://www.krages.com/lhp.htm

From my perspective , this book offer basic guidelines for photographer regarding issuee such as the photographer right, access to property, subject restrictions, publishing & licensing and etc.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 20 2010, 03:49 PM)
1. DSLR? haha. seriously. i see you're saying DSLR being being. have you seen how small a 350D / D40 with 50mm lens look? it's not that much bigger than a pro-sumer (hard to find those nowadays).

but more importantly, do you know how many people are using SLR + prime lens for street shoot?

2. NO. there's no rule on what you should use.

3. BW? since when? LOL. 3 points down, your understanding of STREET photography is skewed badly.

4. some how you missed point #4. typo or what, LOL.

5. this one applies to every area of photography, you're just mentioning the obvious.

6. not necessarily. if you're shooting a mamak making teh tarik, then it's good idea to ask but if you're just randomly shooting at the street of people waiting for bus with no focus on any particular person's face as a subject, are you gonna get everyone's permission?

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I know you dslr user. You don't have to butthurt so much.

I know d40 size. still big. i prefer my grd3 tho.
fast fixed lens. small size to put in pocket. good in low light. that's what i need.

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using DSLR in street / candid is no wrong.. DSLR is common nowadays.. a lots of people are able to afford it take it as their camera use..


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QUOTE(masahito @ Jul 20 2010, 07:52 PM)
I know you dslr user. You don't have to butthurt so much.

I know d40 size. still big. i prefer my grd3 tho.
fast fixed lens. small size to put in pocket. good in low light. that's what i need.

for you no 4
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Off topic here..... Do you have to be so rude all the time?
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QUOTE(masahito @ Jul 20 2010, 07:52 PM)
I know you dslr user. You don't have to butthurt so much.

I know d40 size. still big. i prefer my grd3 tho.
fast fixed lens. small size to put in pocket. good in low light. that's what i need.

for you no 4
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i dont know why ur not even given a vacation yet, ur obviously trolling /k/-style in a non-k thread.

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