On iPhone revolutionize the touchscreen, I agree. Touchscreen was never a hit during WinMo time when everyone still had to use stylus to interact with the UI.

On Android being a "nerds only" platform, I again disagree. Android has overtaken iOs in US as the mainstream platform. But that definitely doesn't mean people in US are converting the "nerds". I understand that is your personal opinion but if you are repeating this 100 times, I have to clarify it 100 times to prevent you from misleading others. Android (at least HTC Desire) is 100% usable even on stock condition (no customization), and learning how to use it is a matter of 30 minutes++. People customize it because they can, not because they have to

It's a matter of taste, it's a matter of choice. But it is extremely rude of you to generalize all Android users are nerds and iPhone users made the right choice. You don't represent all users. Period. Some iPhone users are so stupid that I can't help laughing (I always see one in Android forum) but does it make iPhone a phone of choice for idiots? I wouldn't make that conclusion

Whether or not it can compete with iPhone? We shall see... let's not make your presumption here

This post has been edited by samurai1337: Aug 30 2010, 08:32 PM

The point is, many Android users are just happy with what they have. Just because you are against it doesn't mean you're representing the whole entire HP users in the world. You have very distinct set of customers who like to scold you for selling them HTC Desire or just don't know how to use it. But yeah, you have no freaking proof

I fail to understand what's so great about the "vision" you've been talking. But I just remember a few posts ago you just got pwned by an apple developer by your complete misunderstanding on the technology.

There's no clear cut answer that whether Apple's vision or Google's vision is better. There are just running different models (one being centralized, and stricter control on the apps and OS, one being more Open, more developers friendly). By saying Steve Jobs "vision" is better is just your preference

Correction: Apple did not create the touchscreen nor the touchscreen market.

Again... there is no point in your argument. I did not say Nerd/Geek is an insult, but you just can't generalize it because you think so. What is the "severe crippling weakness" that you're talking about? If you want to prove something, at least prove it with something that can convince others, not your weak arguments like "better, more natural touchscreen" without a concrete example. We are looking for good discussion here, not fanboyish remarks

kentang_peranchis, we welcome you as long as you're posting in a constructive ways, not misleading others by making baseless points.

This post has been edited by samurai1337: Aug 31 2010, 02:07 AM

Let's talk about Vision / approach

Apple grabbed the market first, the iOS platform is good (although it wasn't that good at start), there is a real big touch screen that you can use by finger rather than stylus, and it also inherits the popularity Apple has from iPod and MacOS. Throughout these few years - it's been more like evolution for Apple, rather than revolution (i.e., improving on what's already done). 1st gen iPhone was created with lots of hype but little practical use (no 3G, buggy), it's been improved over the different iPhone generations - but they aren't really major changes. Their approach is centralized control of the apps and device

Google is (and have to be) having a different vision because it enters the market late. The approach is, its platform is Open and free for all, it doesn't have strict approval process for developers, and it allows other manufacturers to have Android-powered device. To enter the market Google can't use the same approach as Apple - it has to be different (ever heard of Blue Ocean Strategy?). They can't copy whatever Steve Jobs is doing to gain market segment, but instead have to work together with the pool of developers and other players (HTC, Moto, Samsung). And I think Google is doing well to capitalize on its cloud computing concept as well (good integration with GTalk, Calendar, GMail contacts)

So whose vision is better? Each has its good and bad.

Apple's way definitely introduces less issues as it's simpler to manage, but its restrictive approach means users have to suffer with something behind the curve (look at MMS, Video chat, multi-tasking, they all come in late, and Flash will never come in at all).

Google's way introduces more flexibility for developers, more diversity on devices (caters for users from different budget range), more choices, more up-to-date technology. But on the other hand it also suffers stuffs like potential low quality apps, inferior smartphones brands using Android without proper quality control, and incompatibility across different devices.

That's why I've always insisted that there's no single, absolute answer on which platform is better, whose vision is better... neither is there a need to be so insistent on the choice. The emergence of Android is inevitable, and at the end of the day it only benefits the users because it gives Apple run for its money, it introduces more competition and there are more choices for consumers. So, who cares about the vision?

Correction - I said iPhone was an revolution in its first generation and I did not deny. But the subsequent ones are evolution to improve on the first gen iPhone. It's normal, you can't have revolution in every phone, once things get stabilized, you only want to improve it.

And I refuse to reply the rest of your comments because, based on the keywords (Android for nerds only while iPhone for normal people, Android will die in few years, Steve Jobs vision is the best and Google's one is blunt), those are the same weak arguments you've been repeating and it's not worth spending my time for

But I have to quote this:

Cloud computing - only geeks / nerds would be interested? I LOL'ed hard Do you even know what is that? I don't blame you but thanks vidrox_exe for explaining

This post has been edited by samurai1337: Sep 1 2010, 12:03 PM

I've no problem with good discussion between Android vs iOS, but since I fail to see one so far, I think I may as well close off this thread

Of course, I appreciate to all who true-heartedly contributed to the debate

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