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post Jul 14 2010, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Jul 13 2010, 11:51 PM)
to me biggest drawback ... 3 things..  1.Screen resolution....  some time u really frust while surf on the nHD resolution screen ... where top phone like Desire/Galaxy S with much much higher resolution which u can surf with much more pleasure... yet to mention SuperAMOLED  2. CPU speed/RAM..  I doubt N8 able to beat those 1Ghz CPU, with the new Froyo out..  they are even faster  ...  3. OS/Software..  I don't think Symbian able to keep up with Android...  what I see at the moment, the Symbian^3 are only more on cosmetic change from the S60V5.... I doubt it is stable.. typical Nokia...  and most application symbian have are aging...  so yester year....

if N8 can adress the no.1 and 2..  I would say it is in the position to fight with top Android n the I4.....

sadly... even the symbianguru webpage also closing down and the founder jumping ship to Android.....  haiz....
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1. Its pointless to surf on higher resolution. You cant see a damn thing at all. After all, you still got to zoom in. The thing with Nokia is that they dont make you feel its easy and fun to surf the web on their phone. All they ever did is zoom and zoom. When I zoom in with my Legend, it will auto fit to the screen width just nicely. I dont think Nokia is ready to do this just yet.

2. I think CPU type is more important than CPU speed. On top of that, having enough ram is more important for multi-tasking. It would be better if it were to have a 3d accelerator like most Android do. My HTC Legend runs quite fine with just 600MHz.

3. I think Symbian OS is very capable but due to the restriction by Nokia (not open source lastime), very few hesitate to develop app for it. OVI Suite is a good beginning but I afraid its too late.
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QUOTE(nicholasbeh @ Jul 14 2010, 04:35 PM)
already open source.dun forget N8 support qt platform which mean it able to run Meego aka Maemo5 apps.M5 got tons of apps.S1 oso got tons of apps(but its quite outdated apps)
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I know la. Android also open source, and even though the overall response is quite good, its still way behind Iphone. It will be a very long journey for Nokia, thats for sure. For me, I would completely avoid buying a Nokia smartphone for good. Why? I dont want to be white mouse. Nokia is currently having no direction at all. If you read their roadmap, it really sounds nice but are they going to achieve it or just plain talk? Developers already walked away one after another, how are you going to attract customer to buy your phone when your app is limited.

Right now, Android is the big hot shot. Everyone want a piece of it. As for Nokia, I dont even think N8 is going to last even a year if they cant find enough developers to make it interesting. Just a comparison, when Iphone were still unheard of and Android is not even in the making, how many app do you find for Nokia S60V1,2,3 vs S60V5? There aint that much new app really. Even the games were mostly ported java games. Thats why Nokia share is at all time low.

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QUOTE(HexPhoenix @ Jul 15 2010, 03:20 AM)
IMO,

Nokia caters different market. People who live in South Asia, SEA who buys Nokia.

Most of Nokia phones are made to set and leave, without needed for an firmware upgrade. Those white mouse are high end smartphones buyers while in Nokia eyes, the 'smart ones' are the one who buys middle end phones.

Look at 5800XM. I bet the soon to be release C6 will create massive(or a bit less) effect like 5800XM does.

Touchscreen + stable S60v5 (for now), + sufficient set of functions (music player, SMS yada2) + sturdy body + QWERTY.

Even i have a big interest in C6, not N8. Yes, N8 do have some superior functions that even Android do not see its coming.
External HDD > N8 > HDMI > LCD TV/monitors > HD movie playback

Good god. We don't need IPTV/HTPC after this. biggrin.gif

A (maybe) good browser in N8 will make HTPC manufacturers gasping for air.  icon_rolleyes.gif

EDIT: Qt + Maemo5's Mozilla Firefox in N8. thumbup.gif
The one who cares about high end smartphones are Europeans and Americans.

Japanese JPhones like Sharp and Sony Ericsson still using Symbian and I bet most of them don't give a shit about iphone and AppStore. Thats why you see Vivaz comes with Symbian. Not Android.

Samsung are brave enough to release Bada. Their own market already sufficient to support Bada.

To make it short, yes, Symbian purpose in South Asia, SEA are becoming more like JPhones. Everyday, everyone phones. To cater highschool wannabees, our mommy and daddy near pension-age, university students whose depend on loans/parents pocketmoney.

Not some people with income RM3.5k above who loves hanging out at Starbucks. That's MeeGo/Android/iphoneOS for you (hopefully).
After all, it's not about N8's technology, it's about what you do with N8. (N8's tagline. tongue.gif)

and please Nokia, equip N8 with Comes With Music edition. brows.gif
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Time has changed. Its a matter of WHEN and not if. You dont need a lot of money to buy Android or Iphone. Right now our telecommunication market has been stagnant liao. Revenue from call charges alone wont do it. They are aiming for mobile internet (data) and to do that, they will keep on subsidising phone cheap enough to lure customer to sign up. This will be the trend for the next few years. Forget about Nokia. So what if QT + Firefox. Thats a big IF. I dont see a big deal with Firefox now. Google has almost conquer the web OS market with their app. Thats why their web browser on their Android is amazing. Just look at the pathetic web browsing review on Nokia N8. It does pinch and zoom and you have to scroll left and right to read the text which is stupid. Look at how Android present the page to you when you pinch and zoom.

Just sit and watch Nokia falter. S60V5 has been nothing but another test platform for Nokia, albeit a better one than Symbian S90. They dont have the innovation anymore. Im a previous owner of 5800 and I felt nothing fresh at all from it. All I can see is the former 7710 (also a former owner) being rotated 90degree and being represented as a new platform with some add on like GPS. Even that took years...

BTW, speaking of SE, have you ever buy a smartphone from them? You should buy one and enjoy it... Look at those M600, P990, X10 etc... Im a former M600 owner as well.

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QUOTE(Revamperz @ Jul 21 2010, 01:49 AM)
multitouch only use for browser for zooming rite? i for one doesnt need em.
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Pinch and Zoom works wonders... but Nokia still havent learn anything. Reprogram the web browser so that it resize the thing to fit the screen width la. Although Im not quite sure how Android did it, but I think its quite easy to do lor cos all you have to do is detect the table which is widely used.
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Wave nice meh? Dont buy phone for its look lor, later become like Jet. Not much choices for software which makes the phone loses its appeal.
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QUOTE(freakenstein @ Jul 30 2010, 12:52 AM)
1. Sorry i wasn't intending to offend nor to be offended just stating the facts and i do agree that we are free to suggest any opinions .
   But , some of us sure did saw that Nicholas himself said that he is a Fan of Nokia but his previous statement doesn't look nor seem like one .
   He , as a TS ought to be more post more positively posts then negative ones that would result in newbies even more confused .
  
On a side note , i do not have a friend of a iFan , i've just put it as an example of a fanboy which TS claims he is previously .

2. We all know that n97 was a failure , videos in the net or in reality its the same . Maybe there is a few vids that is smooth probably with a few tweaks here and there. The only smoothness i saw on the n97 was in the Nokia official teaser for itself and yes , no hard feelings kay?
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Wow... even though I kinda hate the way Symbian is now after switching to Android, I have to say the video is not as bad as you claimed. You just need the right conversion and size for it to work. I convert quite a lot of TVB drama from 720p source to something smaller in the region of 200mb (MP4) and it was playing perfectly on my 5800. If you are thinking of playing RMVB or DIVX format, I think maybe 1GHz phone is barely enough for it. Any slower just wont do the job.


Added on July 31, 2010, 12:30 am
QUOTE(cloud8318 @ Jul 29 2010, 04:46 PM)
agree...look at Iphone4 price doh.gif ......pity those broken Apple fans
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LOL...

I wonder whats going through your mind? If you thought paying 2k+ for Iphone is stupid, then you must be assuming those who bought Nokia N97 are idiots because it was even worse than even a 3GS, except for the camera.

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QUOTE(cloud8318 @ Jul 31 2010, 12:48 AM)
if u read my post again...i refer to Iphone "4"....now pls tell me is worth to paid nearly 4k for a iphone(some of them selling over 4K)
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The SRP is not 4k.. dont use inflated price to judge...
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QUOTE(murv90 @ Jul 31 2010, 01:18 AM)
dude. if u wanna start a flaming war and not post anything relevant to symbian or n8 i suggest go create another thread to satisfy your thoughts.
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Wow... so sensitive? Hey hey, we are just chatting nia.

What do you gotta say about Symbian or N8 in particular then?
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QUOTE(nicholasbeh @ Aug 1 2010, 10:09 PM)
@BuFung symbian 3 is simplified version for S1.the code is simpler and smoothier.so if S3 with 1ghz...we gonna with crazy for the rocket speed.the FPS even higher than Apple OS and Android OS.
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I wonder at what point did Symbian actually beaten Iphone OS or Android? High memory usage?
Let it release first then only comment.

Over 50% of the content of N8 thread is nothing but rubbish talk of WHAT IF, or WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN whereby we havent even seen the final piece of it.
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QUOTE(kaigraphy @ Aug 2 2010, 12:16 AM)
its not all totally what if...they are prototype already showing...
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Im talking about those WHAT IF 1GHz, WHAT IF WXGA, WHAT IF OPTICAL ZOOM...
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Aug 3 2010, 07:29 AM)
I think 1ghz + 512mb will be more than sufficient for any Symbian devices. Currently using SGS, the OS sucks alot of RAM (always left 50mb below of RAM). And it's starting to lag. Kinda missed symbian (or better to say, Nokia), but downgrading from 4" Super Amoled, is a sacrifice that's hard for me to make sad.gif
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Erm, the RAM limitation in Android 2.1 is what killing the performance of your SGS. Wait for 2.2 and free up those unused RAM and you will start laughing.
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QUOTE(Username is username @ Aug 3 2010, 05:08 PM)
angry birds..one of my fav on ipod..


Added on August 3, 2010, 6:33 pmguys..dunno if this vid was posted b4. but n8 with mouse? its no more ouch..its a WOW!


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Nokia trying to impress who?
If you really need to type a document or chart some excel sheet, probably of some use but for SMS, web surfing etc, its pretty useless. Nokia should spent more time on the gesture to fully utilise the capacity screen instead of fooling around with a kb and mouse for a mere 4".
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Wow.. you guys really feel optimistic about the whole hdmi and notebook replacement. Expecting too much perhaps? I still think the processor is too slow for the stuffs that were mentioned. What kind of resolution are we talking about with the hdmi output?

As we all know, Intel Atom 1.6Ghz N450 barely play 720p. Concept perhaps, or even as a test bed for Nokia. No matter how you put it, its clear that these mobile phone processor still lack raw power to do the stuff being put on table. Not until we see dual core 1. 5 ~ 2.0 Ghz with dedicated graphical processor.
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Aug 5 2010, 11:50 PM)
if the N8 can play 720p video wat u gonna do?  buy a dozen of it ah??  free each of us 1 N8?  thank you first ya...


Added on August 5, 2010, 11:51 pm
eh!!  N8 thread talk N8..  *(&(%&^%#%@#$@

u forgot where I from?  laugh.gif  haha..
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Got source? I wanna see how it perform. Can play also must play nicely cos going to be connected to the tv. No one has ever tried it before, it's not surprise to be skeptical. So far, the only format capable of being play is mp4 cos got hardware acceleration. Even that is very dependent on the video quality and resolution.
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Aug 6 2010, 12:14 AM)
don't talk cock la...  give u source.. u may say it is fake...  is not DivX..  is not H.264 .. is not mkv... is not Dolby TrueHD..  it's not 720p since not on HD screen.. is not enough framerate.. and this list go on......
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LOL... cant stand to the test issit?

Just wanna see Nokia claims only. Nokia always promises so much but at the end, much left to be desired.

I have seen Samsung Wave with 720P AVI and WMV and on their small screen also a bit lag. I think the framerate is low or buffering problem. If you are going to output it to a large screen, I just wonder if its going to work as promised.

I have never put any hope at all into playing high quality format on mobile phone over largescreen but I think its still impossible with todays processing speed. But if Nokia dares anyone they can do it with the slower processor they had in N8, I wanna see them proved it and shut the skeptic like me.
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Aug 6 2010, 12:47 AM)
how 480 euro translate to below 2k leh?  year 2000 keh? 
I believe if the wave can output to 720 screen it will play smoothly.. it a bit lag becoz it have to resize the video.. that take up a lot processing power.... 

to capture a video in 720p obviously need much higher processing power...  if it can capture/process/compress/store it.. there is no reason it can't play it...
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Thats what I mean. Playing it is no big deal since they can code the software to compensate with the frame rate. Just wanna see how they fare against a full blown HD nia. Im not interested in it but I wanna see how far we are before this day come.

Personally, I still pretty much prefer connecting my PC to my LCD TV. After all, we do need a PC to torrent those files and connecting/disconnecting multiple cables is not really what I had in mind when I suddenly wanna watch movie.

Innovation like these are good, but it will not take off suddenly.
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This seem like a very big launch for Nokia as those older generation price drop is crazy. I never seen anything like it so fast. Symbian usually hold their price very well but not this time.

I too sold my 5800 for 500++ last month and switch to Android. Luckily bought for 800++ nia. Pity N97 owners cos price drop down the hill.
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Aug 6 2010, 02:45 PM)
After u switch to Android, then u will noticed that Android phone lack alot of features compare to nokia phone.
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Can you name me a few?
Green and Red button?? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

I dont know what are the features that were missing. Can you name me a few besides the green and red call button? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

In fact, what I felt is that Android is more refined in a lot of places. It feel less like a phone but a more complete experience in term of the smartphone features. Just the browser alone is miles better than Symbian.

Mayb you are using a Symbian version which was unheard of...

I used so many Symbian phone before except for Sabun...

7610->N70->7710->N78->N85->5800

Almost every series also I used except for S80. Used to be an interesting platform, until Apple whoops it's ass and then Android. It changed very little even after all these years. For a keypad phone, they were exceptionally good but for touch screen based, definately left a lot to be desired. There is a few apps that I used extensively but already found a replacement for it.
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Aug 6 2010, 04:02 PM)
Haha dude, I've been using alot of Symbian phone b4. Forgot the nokia phone name, but I'll list few of it;

Nokia N81, Nokia N95, Nokia N97 and N900. There are few classic nokia phone I have  used b4. After sold my Nokia N900, I switched to Android, and my first android phone was Motorola Milestone.

As a new android user, I need to suit myself with android environment. The speed, camera quality and yada yada are terribly bad. Great spec but in real life used, it's suck. So I sold Milestone after 1 months of used and bought Nokia E52.

And when Samsung released Samsung Galaxy I9000 S came out with Super AMOLED, 4" screen, 1Ghz Humming Bird, 512MB of RAM, I am WOWED with the great specs I quickly buy it and man, it's is soooo NICE watching video, capture some pictures, HD video recording, but it's lack of FLASH. And after a few weeks using it, I experienced memory RAM problem. Keep having 50~80mb RAM left. It's annoying!

The browsing experience is AWESOME, google handle it very well. But  my experience from using both SGS and Nokia N900, Nokia N900 did very well in browsing experience with full flash player support and most android phone doesn't support full flash until  android 2.2 froyo. And not many android phone will get froyo for your information.

Another what android OS lacking is FREE NAVIGATION software. My Nokia E52 have Ovi Maps and it helped me alot when I'm driving. And Android does not have true multitasking like Symbian and Maemo offered. Yeah, they have eye-candy UI, but lack free navigation, no true multitasking, RAM problem, is what google need to think about.

My Samsung Galaxy I9000 S what's best to keep me around is it's Super AMOLED 4" Screen and Good browsing experience. Other than that, is just plain normal. Maybe after 6 months of using it, I might get bored and get another phone

And one more thing, for our regions, there aren't any paid application from Android Market. You need to root, install MarketAccess/MarketEnabler so you can get the paid application appeared in Android Market. Why such a hassle? Symbian and Maemo does not need all of these. And I bought Samsung Galaxy I9000 S with my HARD EARNED MONEY just to get STUPID FREE APPLICATION only??

What Nokia lacking is their UI. it's BORED, yeah I admit it's BORED. But only the UI they need to improved.
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You are so funny man...

1. RAM problem - you really proved that you are new in Android. The ram limitation is a problem with Android 2.1 which explained why Froyo 2.2 will be faster cos it free up the RAM which was not used in Ecclair. If Im not mistaken, Ecclair only support upto 2xx MB RAM. BTW, have you ever check your free RAM with N97? Without anything else loaded except the stock one, you left with 50-60mb if im not mistaken.

2. Lack of navigation... you can download brut map and get navigation. I dont want to talk much on this cos I do feel both are inferior currently compared to Garmin which has better map.

3. Flash is not a Android related thing... you buy SGS without knowing it came without Flash or you just ignored the fact you cant live without one?

4. If you can list me the Symbian apps that you bought with your hard earn money? None?? Well, if you want pirated apps, you can find them online. And you do not need to sign them or root your phone to do so. Google is your friend...

Not again... I hate it when people say UI is bored. If you want to talk about UI, Iphone OS UI is the best.
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Aug 6 2010, 04:44 PM)
Actually, you're the one that's funny

1. From every nokia phone I've been used, Nokia N97 the most sucks of them all. Bought RM2240 that time, and I regret buying it. Keep getting lack of memory. From both android phone I have been used (Milestone and SGS), both have memory RAM problem. And I can tell, android is bad in utilizing the hardware. Great hardware, but OS sucks utilizing it. Care to debate on this?

2. Brut Map is not android map, dude. Google Map is Android Map. Google have Google Map, but it's sucks. You need to be Online and have GPS function ON and there is no navigation features. And Papago, you need to buy it cost around RM140 while Ovi Maps is free for most of the phone. Now Papago doesn't support froyo. And I heard MFM won't update Papago map. Sucks alot.

3. I can live without the camera flash, but come on, browsing without full flash player support? Means I can't farmville on my phone but my previous Nokia N900 could. Have to wait another months for froyo to arrived. Btw, didn't u ask me what android is lacking? And this is one of it.

4. The things about pirated application, that it's dangerous. Google will be my friend if they let our regions have paid application.

And one more thing, if you wanna take a screenshot of your phone, you need to root first and install the 3rd application. Why such hassle? Root here, root there, to get Super Administrator access. To change the theme, you need to root also. Symbian and Maemo doesn't need all of these whistling.gif


Added on August 6, 2010, 4:45 pm

Yeah dude, android doesn't have this features. Pretty sucks laugh.gif
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I dont want to argue with you la... just one last reply to this as this is afterall N8 and not Android thread.

1. I cant really comment on this. It would not do any favor as most Android have 600MHz CPU or faster. It felt zippy and agile. Yours isnt? I heard that SGS is a bit sluggish but better on gaming. Havent tried one... Im using HTC Legend nia and already feel its enough.

2. Brut map is a modification of the original map. What it does is basically hack-enable navigation that were otherwise locked/restricted to the US/Europe. If you ask me, I would rate Ovi Map last. Google/brut map second and Garmin 1st. Dont mistaken me, navigation wise, Google still sucks somewhat compared to Garmin and Ovi, but the details of the map is better than Ovi. Its just a preference, my own one.

3. Full Flash support is coming liao. Dont tell me you dont know that? Its because these 3rd party UI which is affecting the progress. N1 already is running Flash 10.1 so all you can do is curse Samsung and not blame Google. Honestly, are we on Symbian vs Android or Maemo vs Android here? Just be patient la.. Full Flash on Android is going to be very satisfying, just like on Maemo. Take a look at my HTC Legend. Still on 2.1 and not Froyo yet.

4. Dangerous? Please... you dont even dare to list the app you ever bought which I take as none. Then all those app are crack version too. Just because you need to sign it become non dangerous? LOL...

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