CPU is more important. I dont feel GPU is important. GPU choice is dictated by the screen resolution.

* Take pop corn to eat..

I also want to see..
On his reply to my earlier remark, I hope he is not gonna mix up Symbian with Maemo or his N900.

Leo,

No offense but I think all Nokia can do now is assemble the best hardware whichever fits into their budget, slap on a old aged OS and call it a new platform. Is that the only show they can put up after they abandon N900? I personally think they might even sold more by just releasing N900 with higher mp camera, capacitive screen, and a faster cpu. Speechless...

The one and only thing that keep customers coming back is good experience and satisfaction. Nokia has none.

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Added on August 8, 2010, 12:14 amToo early to tell. If I'm not mistaken, Intel partner Nokia on Meego. This is main point. If Intel can lure developers with their influence, then it might be a success. Nokia going alone? I think chance for success is low.

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SE have problematic joystick after heavy abuse for a year or so, while I never had Samsung before because I find it hard to use. But honestly speaking, how often do yourphone broke or how often do you upgrade them? I haven't had any hardware failure except for battery due to overcharging.

It's really a subjective because hardware failure is mostly due to user negligence. My bro bought a Twinhead, and it never broke once in 3 years. It had a Radeon 9700 and the steel based body was so hot to touch but it never broke down. Finally one day it died, well, in my hands when I tried to mod the broken fan myself. People says Acer sucks, yet I have no problem at all. Nearing 3 years, the only failure was the right side speaker because I had them at full volume and they were like 2 to 3 times louder than some other brands at best.

Ever since there OTA update, I never really been back to them.

Nokia phones are ok, but we are in Symbian forum, are we? Nokia owns Symbian, so anything that didn't went right, I blame them, is it not?

The only reason I kept coming back to Nokia is because of the keypad. I used to be a travelling salesman, covering 400km at worst per day. From one shop to another, and with the calls coming in and out, WM touch device was a nightmare. Even the Nokia 7710 was not spared. I had to use one with keypad but it was never my first choice. Finally, a perfect phone came up, SE M600i. It was a good 1 1/2 year before I decided to move on to 5800. This may sound utterly stupid but except for the GPS, there is nothing that pleased me. I'm so pissed with the calculator and the notes. The small qwerty also a big turn off (in normal mode). The one thing that I hate most in 7710 and WM is back, small tab to scroll contact list, which was a huge problem until KS came. The stupid qwerty stayed. There's more, like expensive app and so on.

Yes, Android in stock form, still annoys me, as calculator and handwriting notepad was my essential everyday tool. At least there's free app which covered that. It's not by any mean best, but better. I actually prefer IPhone UI, and I never denied it. Why I choose Android? Flash Player. My experience with 7710 tells me to avoid N900. It has proven true.

It might sound rude, but stuffs like camera, video calls, usb on the go, video out does not excite me much because at the end of the day, I don't have time for it. For pretty boys and girls, who dressed nicely and work in office, can utilise these stuffs when there is nothing better to do.

Nokia holds the key, and it's really up to them. Someday in the near future, where mobile phone processor has got enough speed, Nokia really shine with everything ranging from presentation, movie, conference meeting, as the result of their experimentation, but for now just stick to the basic. The phone and its usability.

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Added on August 8, 2010, 3:22 pmMy Acer has the fragile 8600M GR and still working despite tens of thousand of recall.

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I think those at Nokia HQ are same as you. They also kept thinking that these are just excessive obsession or fanboyism, but a truly good product does not fear comparison. Comparison only highlight your strengths over weaknesses. When you scared of being compared, that's when you lose your competitiveness.

Nokia just tried too much, wasting time, money and losing market share all at the same time. They want a piece of everything. For example, Nokia says QT is useful. I like the idea too. If you move from Symbian to Maemo, there is some app you can't live without, QT makes it works and vice versa. Demo after demo, and still a demo. Reason is simple, an impossible task. Had it been possible, Nokia won't be the first to do it. If you have IT background, you will understand why it won't work and reason why Java and Flash work.

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Added on August 8, 2010, 5:00 pmMaybe. Whilst it's better than Symbian in many ways, does not means it's the best. In terms of usability, iPhone is currently still ahead. IMO. Game is always changing. What's being hit now maybe outdated tomorrow and vice-versa. Nobody cares about video calls, are they? Look at iPhone 4. They are willing to pay for the app alone. M$ already paid the price for not changing. Playing catch-up where they was once untouchable.

Nothing last forever, enjoy it while it last.

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Haha. A BB is too much for me. What I did is routine job, servicing clients, taking their orders. I need a simple calculator but I need the memory function. I need the notepad to take orders and email it back to office instead of writing it down on paper and fax/call back to office. Why do I need BB? I don't need appointment scheduling. I just wait for them or switch to a nearby client before coming back.

I have both as well, not a touch based one, N78. It was brilliant. They both serve me well, happy? LOL..

I do not feel the need of protecting anything. Relax. It's just simple discussion. I'm really quite interested, in N8 after viewing those video. Just need something more before I'm sold for it. Not anything special, just the web browser. It will be for my wife. She loves phone camera. We bought a LX3 but it was left untouched. This phone will be good for her. She gets the camera while I get to play the good stuffs on Sunday when going back to in-law resident where it will be boring.

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Added on August 8, 2010, 5:56 pmThe web browser.. I hate that a lot. I also hate the calculator. The best calculator is still the one on M600i, cos it is able to times the value of the result (meaning ^2) and also comes with memory +/-. Even without vibration nor sound, its good.

I can't seem to get the right calculator for 5800. I can get handwriting software but having to install phyton first. You just have to be a bit geek for it. There are times where my clients asked me how I managed to have all these, and they were totally not the geek type. How would you go explaining those cert, key, signing, things to them?

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I'm just wondering if Nokia showrooms will allow us to use our own pendrive to test the divx and rmvb thing. I'm so eager to find out whether or not can play smoothly. Best way to kill time on Sunday.

The problem lies with Flash.. not the phone. I seen N1 with Flash have the same problem.

I had 3, 2 with Nokia and 1 with SE. The thing is, with the exception of Nokia 7710, the 5800 and M600i just resembled other S60, soft key at the bottom (perhaps limitation of S60). I like S90 UI a lot. I think Nokia dump something good here. Apple iPhone OS also dont have homescreen, just start with menu. S90 is the same way. Easy, simple but not chunky. Im not a fan of customising UI. I hate the confirmation soft key at the bottom of the screen where its hardest to reach with one hand.

Apps, I dont have a lot of fond memory with them. Joikusoft Wifi teethering is nice but usability is not good (A lot of Android 2.2 user brag this function, while I actually kinda hate it. Makes phone rather hot to touch, and eats up battery). Eats up battery like hell, good if you need <60mins of internet (on full charge). I think this particular company called Offscreen makes pretty good S60V5 app but I did not like except for Sticky Note which was fantastic but I cant email them. I end up with XpressNote which saves them in Image folder.

There is just an app which makes the day easier for me, which turns my 5800 into being a smartphone. Kylom MyCalcul. This app is just brilliant. It works a bit like excel but takes it a step further. It support upto 6 variable for the equation, but the best is that you can enter all but one and it will calculate the exact value for that variable that was not entered. Simple but brilliant. Calculator with formulas. I tinker with it for almost a week and found that it can do more instead just the result of one variable. Im still searching for the same thing in Android but I dont think something similar is available. Nokia handwriting calculator? Its rubbish in comparison.

As for games, that world war plane using touch and accelerometer was the best.

The app for using the double LED flash, that was useful too... finding keys in the dark, finding screw or jumper on motherboard, etc.

This post has been edited by andrekua: Aug 9 2010, 12:19 AM

Guna tangan baru syok...

For that, use cubit and zoom

I think no need speculate la...

Just look at X6 as comparison lor.

Yup... I bought one before from reviewer in Lelong. Was a 7710... retail 2.4k, sold to me for 1.2k

Feel free to doubt it. I don't mind at all. A couple of guys tried to enquire but I straight away say yes and cod with the seller. Fully box and I even went to upgrade the firmware at Nokia Care Center for free.

Intel do have access to ARM. They target different market, so its pointless to compare them. Many still compare Atom to A8. Maybe they just forgot that Atom is merely a die shrink of the slowish P4, on 45nm with crippled memory bus. Intel just isn't interested in making low power C2D yet. It would eat A8 totally.

Intel won't be using ARM because its weak in FPU. Even though Atom lose out to ARM at integer calculation but ARM FPU still sucks. That's why Intel still aim Atom at ARM. It's about time for ARM to move up a gear or two. Intel is really ahead of everyone on the fab processing with 32nm. If they are able to get the power consumption down, ARM will finally met a challenger.

Hehe... I know you would say that.

ARMv7 was pretty powerful and coupled with a good GPU, was able to give a pretty good 720P video. I think they can improve on the smoothness of it with a dual core in the future.

Im not looking down at it but simply saying, well, x86 is more advance and can handle a lot of things better with its complex structure. As time pass, die shrink would allow them to shrink x86 small enough and use less power than before. Once they did that, it would give ARM a hardtime.

I also got... Too old for this anyway...

I think better spend time with my kid... Let the youngster wild imagination take off..

Becoz he worship BB... thats why...