AMD Radeon™ Discussion V3, Prepare Red! Green has attacked!
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 Jul 12 2010, 11:23 PM
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Wow, Nvidia really pushed out a nice card in the form the GTX460 (GF104). Looks like Nvidia finally got a good grip on the technical issues plaguing the GF100. At RM 699 for the cheaper one, maybe we would see a price drop of more than RM 100 on ATI's gaming-class cards.
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Jul 13 2010, 04:49 PM
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Try hitting this page for links on the GTX460 reviews: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=19014
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Jul 13 2010, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE(Onion-KiD @ Jul 13 2010, 06:08 PM) ATi definitely will take action to against GTX460. While nVidia mean GTX460 is to compete 5830, ATi will change ur mind to: 5850 is to compete GTX460. hohoho... (let no one card(nvidia) survive on market field = Earn & Win) I'd love to see that. Unless ATI has been building up a large cache of cards, I think ATI would show some restraint in the new prices. While ATI has already been making money on the Cypress for about three quarters now and should have the reserves to fight price war, the GF104 is actually smaller than the Cypress. Nvidia's manufacturing cost should be lower than ATI's by a few percentages. This post has been edited by everling: Jul 13 2010, 06:53 PM |
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Jul 13 2010, 11:49 PM
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QUOTE(V3nz @ Jul 13 2010, 10:55 PM) i bought the hd5770 2 weeks ago... I don't think anybody knew of what the GTX460 would be like two weeks ago. First posts about it that I noticed was on the 10th, and the news embargo was only lifted on the 12th. If I were in your shoes, I probably would have bout a HD 5770 also. and no,nobody ask me to buy the gtx460 that time  gtx460,how much?  I wouldn't bother to CF the cards. You're getting acceptable performance right now, aren't you? Also, there is the HD 6000 series coming out later this year. Maybe three more months or less if we're lucky. I've no clue on what is the expected delivery date of the HD 6000 series. |
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Jul 18 2010, 04:50 PM
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A 32" 1920x1080 monitor? The 5870 1GB of course.
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Jul 18 2010, 08:04 PM
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Yeap. The screen size doesn't matter. It is the screen resolution that matters, as that is the only thing any graphics card deals with.
A HD 5870 can easily handle gaming on a wide screen 32", 50", 104", and even a hundred kilometers tall with 1920x1080 resolution. With an old game, even a HD 4670 can do the same. This post has been edited by everling: Jul 18 2010, 08:07 PM |
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Jul 18 2010, 08:09 PM
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Well, at least our astronaut can play a nice game of Crysis from orbit.
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Jul 19 2010, 08:31 PM
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Oh, this is sad news.
 QUOTE ATI’s next generation Southern Islands cores are not promising anything spectacular. It looks like these cores are going to be just a tweak of ATI's existing Radeon HD 5000 series architecture. This is mainly due the fact that this generation remains developed for 40nm and ATI still doesn’t have any new amazing architecture until 28nm and we have already reported that 28nm cores are coming sometime in 2011. Source: Radeon HD 6000 is a minor improvement Still looking forward to the new 5670 successor though. QUOTE It doesn’t look like ATI is planning any dramatic price cuts of its chips in the short term. Partners and retailers can cut their profit margins in order to get more competitive but the really significant price cuts should come in October. We just received confirmation on something that we have been reporting all year long, next generation ATI cards are coming in the latter part of this year, most likely in October. This will simply be one year after the introduction of Radeon 5000 series and we can also add that the new generation is still 40nm. Our further investigation also led us to find two codenames Turks and Caicos as these two cards should replace Radeon HD 5670 and Radeon 5550 and 5400. Cayman (Southern Islands should be a group codename for Radeon 6000 series) should be the codename for the product that replaces Radeon HD 5800 series, but as far as we know this chip might actually not make it to market this year, but it also might launch together with the other ones in October. The company also plans a dual-chip high performance card. ATI's next generation GPUs to come in October |
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Jul 21 2010, 12:48 PM
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The HD 4850 is a good bargain buy only if you don't mind the fact that it requires a decent PSU (450W or greater), it is hot and it is noisy.
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Jul 21 2010, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE(CrossFirE @ Jul 21 2010, 12:48 PM) is it good? or 5000 series is better than 4000 series? 5000 series is much better, but the 5000 series equivalent to the HD 4850 is the HD 5750 (available at RM 405). At RM 299, the HD 5670 isn't anywhere near as good performing as the HD 4850.QUOTE(CrossFirE @ Jul 21 2010, 12:48 PM) i am using 500W true power supply. That'll satisfy the power requirements.Added on July 21, 2010, 1:14 pmThe HD5670 is available at RM299 at Cycom. For me, I'd take the HD 5670, because I got fed up with hot and noisy GCs. Added on July 21, 2010, 1:20 pmA review of the HD 5670 and comparisons with the HD 4850: http://www.anandtech.com/print/2917 This post has been edited by everling: Jul 21 2010, 01:20 PM |
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Jul 21 2010, 03:37 PM
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QUOTE(CrossFirE @ Jul 21 2010, 02:16 PM) HD 5670 is less heat and not that noisy? and also less consume power? And also less performance, except for Far Cry, in which it beats the HD 4850. But you should still be able to get it to do 1920x1200 on some games, and it will easily do 1920x1200 on a lot of older games.This post has been edited by everling: Jul 21 2010, 03:40 PM |
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Jul 21 2010, 04:31 PM
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QUOTE(CrossFirE @ Jul 21 2010, 03:55 PM) how about 4850? is it still a good card? it is hotter and noisier only right? Bro, go read the reviews, or at least the one I linked for you. I'm not going to do your thinking for you. |
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Jul 21 2010, 09:39 PM
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One option is to wait for a few more months for the release of the HD 5670's HD 6000 successor and that card should settle any issues.
If you want something now, consider the games you intend to play and the monitor you're playing with. If it's only a 1280x1024, then the HD 5670 might be fine at maxing out any game on it. Or if your game is too heavy, you could always reduce the game screen resolution to something more bearable. Then again, the noise of a HD 4850 might not actually be of any significance to your ears and you may have a good air-cond and fans to handle your cooling needs. Or the performance is good enough to justify the cons. It seems like a lot of people has this mindset, but a few have converted to prefer cool and quiet after dealing with a hot and noisy graphic card. Considering the price, it's not too costly to try this thinking and then decide on your preference for your next card, maybe a year later. My two cents. |
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Jul 22 2010, 12:21 AM
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The 5970 is downclocked to satisfy some standard. You'll need to overclock it to get 2x5870 perf.
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Jul 22 2010, 01:09 AM
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If your FPS is already over 60, a wiser choice might be not to touch it.
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Jul 22 2010, 02:34 AM
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QUOTE(huzzLEE_82 @ Jul 22 2010, 01:19 AM) u mean if 60fps & +-90++ fps wasn't noticeable bro? Very few people would benefit from it, and most might be tournament players. Also, the HD 5870 tends to hit above 60fps with maximum graphics quality for most games.huhuhuhu after all me still using old school w2207 yet...huhuhu  QUOTE(moshpit21 @ Jul 22 2010, 01:35 AM) over 60 fps for max, average or minimum fps?? I'll go with average fps, as 30fps is my 'playable' minimum.QUOTE(tuonn @ Jul 22 2010, 01:51 AM) ur eyes can't notice the different between 60fps n above bro... Also, most LCDs are limited to 60fps refresh rate.60fps is already smooth for me...there is no lagging if ur framerate is 60fps when playing game...  QUOTE(faiz2036 @ Jul 22 2010, 02:27 AM) no CCC 10.7 today.. have been postponed and will release before the end of this month.. Aww...  This post has been edited by everling: Jul 22 2010, 02:37 AM |
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Jul 22 2010, 10:57 AM
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Releasing July's driver at the end of July is cheating!
It would be nicer if they release to the first Tuesday of the month. |
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Jul 22 2010, 08:52 PM
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You could try removing the card now and try the 4200 to see if it has an acceptable performance.
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Jul 23 2010, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE(LOOOOOOL @ Jul 23 2010, 11:25 AM) i'm using m4a785td-v evo too..but nvr lag in dota -.- except host lag or my line lag What is your gaming resolution? That's a very important piece of information that we're missing here. samo i only have 2gb ram..lolz QUOTE(law1777 @ Jul 23 2010, 11:34 AM) what do u expect?? even with my rig as below.. any resolution on DOTA above 1280 x 1024 i can feel the not-so-smoothness. but games like return of warrior 3D mmorpg is very very smooth on 1920 x 1200 Perhaps you have a performance sapping virus/anti-virus running in the background?This post has been edited by everling: Jul 23 2010, 05:45 PM |
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Aug 10 2010, 07:35 PM
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QUOTE(jeromeccm @ Aug 10 2010, 09:00 AM) extreme power powersupply is not really a good option for graphic card players... lower efficiency.... go for true power ler...if possible invest more in power supply like 750Wtt or 800Watt....any graphic card comes also no problem. The guy would only pay for a HD 5750 and you want to suggest him an 800W PSU that's more suited for dual HD 5870? The CM 460W would be enough. The HD 5750's TDP is only 84W. It may even be possible to go dual HD 5750 if you want. |
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