ya right, bone's ultimate is useless
try getting guinsoo for bone, he does not need to go back to fountain at all..
and searing arrow gives you a whopping extra 40 damage, which is highly spammable and freaking painful...
when i play bone now, i max searing arrow and ww first, get a ring at the start with few circlets, then farm for boots, then void stone, then get an eul...the searing arrow costs as little as 5 mana if i'm not mistaken, so you can autocast it and your mana will never be empty, the eul's scepter replenishes your mana at high speed, and you can use death pact whenever you want..and further more, you have a disabler now which bone lacks, this is a scarier bone compared to stygian

err, that's why you don't use this skill on bone?
just like any other skill, you gotta use it wisely
you use it when you're sure you can kill that hero and he can't run, this skill combined with his 3rd skill is deadly

err i believe any hero's starting agi is included in the IAS factor right from the start, or else every hero would just attack at the same speed at level 1, except am and tb would attack faster..that just doesn't make sense

lifesteal overrides any other orb effect

wrong, attack speed stacks directly, 2 hyperstone gives you 110% increase in attack speed (1 hyperstone gives 55% ias)

and yes butterfly's evasion doesn't stack, but you're wrong too, having 2 butterflies makes no difference from having 1 if you're hit by a few enemies

and wrong again, if you have 2 dagon, you drop one, cast one, and you pick it back up, both dagons will have cooldown together

and lastly wrong 4, bash isn't the same as attack speed, it stacks with diminishing return(that's the reason you don't know), so a melee having 2 bashers doesn't have 30% chance, instead it's 1-(0.85x0.85)=27.75=28%

no it doesn't

i get diffusal whenever i play naga siren or phantom lancer...
or when i try funny builds on different heroes, tinker is one of them

just rename your 5.84c map to the one they have, then you'll be able to join, they're all actually the same map

care to explain? don't really understand..we have to make the last hit to get any creep kill right

i still don't understand what you're saying

you say it's not random, how is it so? centaur with damage of 53-63 means when he hits a unit, the damage he deals will be anywhere in between 53 and 63, how is it not random? unless you're saying it's fixed at a certain number say 58, but i'm sure it's not thus it's random
and i don't really get your point of saying "if the damage dealt is really random, there's no need of timing last hit", random or not you always have to time your last hit to make the last hit

and how is greater bash not random? it's 16% chance(don't remember the figure), i.e. for each hit there's a 16% chance of scoring a bash, unless you're saying out of 100 hits there WILL be 16 bashes then it might not be truly random, even so there's still randomness as you don't know which 16 hits will bash, unless of course if it's fixed that the 6th hit will score a bash and so on

basically you're not explaining your claim of things not being random

This post has been edited by tienhou18: Mar 29 2006, 04:17 PM

lol, i'm speechless at yukito, there were actually 10 of you who did such a thing for a custom game in warcraft, you guys were really enthusiastic weren't you

anyway, since you've done all the statistical analysis, i guess i should believe you that when a hero is hitting a creep having a quarter of its hp left, the damage dealt is skewed and no longer a normal distribution, but nevertheless it is still random, just not normal anymore


he just said he did with his friends long time back when they were fanatic about dota, i used to be pretty fanatic too about it, so i guess it's believable

and about "How do you note down the hp of the creep when the fighting between creep are so intensed?", i can answer for him, it wasn't a normal game where 5 people vs 5 people, him and his friends created a game solely for this experimental purpose, and when you're doing such an experiment, of course you don't whack the creep which is being whacked by other creep, but whack the creep which wasn't attacked, therefore the other people could note the damage dealt each time a hit is made, and they could always look at the replay to avoid mistakes in noting down..

50 is enough, each creep has around 800hp as he stated, so chaos knight would need an average of 15-20 hits to kill a creep, ie 50*20=1000 samples, that's sufficient

lol just played a game just now and bought aegis through chicken only to realise it's undroppable..................so in the end had to send chick to roshan 3 times to kill it to get a chargeless aegis which is undroppable, sadness....