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 LYN Proton Saga/Iswara Drivers' Forum! V22, For all those SagaIswara Enthusiast

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post Aug 12 2010, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(adam565 @ Aug 11 2010, 02:14 PM)
kereta cantik punya pasal 
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QUOTE(GMS FearLess @ Aug 12 2010, 09:47 AM)
wah....canot ar  ??.....if cannot i change to another pic....who willing to make your car pic into Fb avatar???? surely famous 
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i dun wan be famous.. sleep.gif

QUOTE(Ivan Sac @ Aug 12 2010, 02:53 PM)
Hi guys..
Just now i went to change my car tyre..
Recently my engine oil was leaking, so i decided to ask why it happen..
The show owner told me that i need to change the timing belt which consist of timing belt,timing bearing and timing oil seal...
He quoted me RM240 for the whole set...
Is that price reasonable ..?

My father's friend can repair car..
If the price quoted are high then Im planning to buy the timing belt kit on my own and give it to my father's friend..
What is current market price for a timing belt set..?
What are the good brand available..?
Im using Iswara LMST..6 years ready..Mileage 40000km..
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dat day i buy GATES mia... rm100... dunno cheap or expensive.... rm210 include installation is ok... change timing belt quite lot of work to do one... if u clever change urself lo...

QUOTE(Ivan Sac @ Aug 12 2010, 10:40 PM)
My father's fren also recommend that brand..MMC which cost around RM80...
Will ask him to check the water pump and oil pump as well...
Normal Car Service Shop really over charging... vmad.gif
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mmc so cheap rm80??... my place selling rm130...

QUOTE(Rascal Stitch @ Aug 12 2010, 11:15 PM)
to sum ppl neva think how we mechanic does our work will our skill where these ppl only know  work for ppl in office or dunno a shlt things on cat at all~
if so stingy then y do u wanna get a car n use it? ? ?
or if so smart then y dun he learn in da field for few months n learn DIY even better? ?
if no good n kill d engine is even better cuz old 1 dun go then new how to cum??
y not better take bus or public transport? ?
am i rite gms? ?
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post Aug 15 2010, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(GMS FearLess @ Aug 15 2010, 12:42 PM)
yeah??I stay at A'Famosa Resort...
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how come i alwiz go there din see u one??
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post Aug 15 2010, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(rozz_1291 @ Aug 15 2010, 01:09 PM)
nola... ppl x notice u only.... sleep.gif
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QUOTE(GMS FearLess @ Aug 15 2010, 01:11 PM)
stay at Beverly hill condo
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dunno where also.. laugh.gif

QUOTE(idunnolol @ Aug 15 2010, 04:14 PM)
half cut seatbelt can trust?

Btw, I just checked the lower door trim,seems like falling off . What can be the problem?
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cannot trust come buy takata harness from me lo... 4 point miaa.. confirm can trust... laugh.gif

QUOTE(krizalis @ Aug 15 2010, 07:34 PM)
Hi all..

Newbie here.. smile.gif just wanna ask you guys..

My LMST currently still using the stock rims.. I tak buleh tahan that rim liao.. wanna change new ones.. But dunno pricing & also dunno which ones best.. Although I looked at the Owner's Manual.. it did say it can use 14" rims oh..

Any opinions would be welcomed biggrin.gif

Thanks!
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15" rim can adi... taiwan mali can adi... invest in good rubbers better...
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post Aug 16 2010, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(krizalis @ Aug 16 2010, 12:15 PM)
Eh dai lou.. you sure 15" rim can use on LMST ah? the owner's manual said 14" or 13" wor.. but if you guys tested is ok I dont mind go for 15" de.. biggrin.gif

Also.. Taiwan mali wan.. usually how much de ah.. If I change all 4, with new tyres.. usually estimated cost would be how much eh? First time doing such things.. totally got no ideas :S

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everyone is using 15" here... icon_idea.gif
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post Aug 17 2010, 03:33 AM

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QUOTE(krizalis @ Aug 16 2010, 09:31 PM)
woo woo.. okok.. thanks for all the info guys! erm.. i looked at the tyre price thread liao.. but still blur blur dunno which 15" is good? And heard that Sime tyres no good? o.o? Continental good bo? Cuz german tech.. seems good eh~ lol
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sime no good.. continental average niaa... if want good, take ps3, s-drive, re001, GSD3, etc...

QUOTE(samuraiman @ Aug 17 2010, 01:25 AM)
hi all sifu sifu here...
i hv an iswara sedan year 2000 with body frame and suspension still nice (well maintained)... just the original engine 4g13 kong koz always rev high... even i got change the engine oil in time and using better engine oil all the time... below is my true story with my iswara... its a fun with my iswara and i had learn a lot with it...

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yes, u can plonk in a turbocharger or supercharger into ur 4g91 with low boost pressure... yes it will increase horsepower by forcing more air into the engine... i dont know whats ur definition of "modifying the engine"... so, no comment on that...

when u change to 4g91, u are changing the block already... yes u can rebore the block to fit bigger piston... but it is not recommended if u going forced induction... and if u planning to go for forced induction, i suggest u to get 4g92 block with 4agze piston... those piston are semi-forged (if not mistaken)... get thicker metal head gasket for low compression purpose... u can start off with td04 turbine... relatively cheap to start with... as usual, u need other components as well if u going for turbocharging... as for supercharger, i'm not very familiar with it though...
temporary u dont need to modify ur gearbox... maintain standard ratio good enough d... use better clutch or racing clutch if budget permits...

yes u can use aftermarket slotted/cross drilled rotors... make sure its compatible with vr4 oem rotors, if u are planning to install vr4 complete brake set to ur car...

of coz u can stick back to 16"... u can use any size of rim as long as it clears ur uprated brake set... dont forget to use good rubbers... bad quality wide tyres arent necessary better than good quality less wide ones.... yes, smaller/lighter wheels gives better acceleration...

many more stabilizer bars available for saga iswara... try browse thru ultraracing website for complete list... adding 1 bar aint gonne give huge improvement.... as in bars, the more the better...

yes u need to change the whole exhaust system as well... 4g13 extractor will not fit 4g91... it is 2 different type of engine... as for piping setup, presumably u are going forced induction, a larger piping is needed... we will touch on this once u finalize what u are going to do with ur engine...


ps: macha, dun multipost laa...
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QUOTE(rozz_1291 @ Aug 17 2010, 06:47 AM)
About the turbocharging chapter, no comment. I m still noob in turbos sleep.gif
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QUOTE(Neonlight @ Aug 17 2010, 07:52 AM)
Update on my situation bro GMS

When i start the car today,reverse gear can use. all the foward drive gears like D,D2 cant move. Have to wait 5 mins then only the gear will engage.

When drive to the market, noticed that 1st,2nd gear need a high RPM to change gear
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post Aug 17 2010, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(samuraiman @ Aug 17 2010, 03:06 PM)
it is hard to find 4g92 mivec manual transmission as i m in sarawak... what do u mean by "aligned and welded"??? if i change to 4g92 i need to relocate all the engine mounting??? if lik tat still can pass the puspakom endorsement??? (i need my car to be street legal)

and for all the ultra racing bars my friend who own a workshop says not all the bars is important as i m not going to for rally... he says only some of the important bar i can put onto my car
1. front upper strut bar...mayb change to apexi  (if not mistaken is this brand) 4 point
2.front anti roll bar
3.rear anti roll bar
4.room bar
5.rear strut bar
6.rear upper bar

i dont know actually how many bars left but if if my budget is enof then i will put on all...


Added on August 17, 2010, 3:14 pm

thank you sifu...

for what i mean is a 4g91 original with bot... not modifying the 4g91 enigne (all the interior parts stick back to original 4g91 parts)...

as i know it is illegal if i use 4g91 with 4g63 block, rite??? the engine number is stamped on the block... if i past endorsement with 4g91 and change the block then count as illegal too...

for the tyres can give suggestion on good tyre??? now my car is using two continental sportcontact 1 205/45/r16 for the wheels infront (coz at the shop tat times got only 3 tyres that i cant change all 4) and two cheap indonesia corsa 205/45/r16 tyres at the back...
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yes... to fit 4g9x engine into saga iswara chassis, u need to relocate engine mounting... datz why krz8v told u to reweld and realign the mounting properly so it wont look like taik kambing... taik kambing welding usually will not pass puspakom inspection...

didnt know apexi got make strut bars one... lolz...

others i replied u in technical talk...

QUOTE(shazmn @ Aug 17 2010, 03:43 PM)
yes i know almost all headlamp can be fitted with modification...what i'm looking for is if it is possible to install the lmst headlamp into lmss without a fugly gap and without major modification...if its just a matter of modifying the bracket then i dont really mind...
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lmst and lmss headlamp same dimension maa... why cannot??..

QUOTE(krizalis @ Aug 17 2010, 04:09 PM)
Mmmm.. So.. for Proton Saga LMST.. I know it can fit 175 & 185 tyres because the manual says can..
what about 195 & 205? Can those 2 sizes fit?

I'm thinking of 15" tyres with 195 size.. Probably go for GSD3..
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wait... u mean 14" or 15" rim??...

if 14" rim, u stick back to proton recommendation use 175/60r14 or 185/60/r14...

if 15" rim, u need to use 195/50/r15 tyres... 205/50/r15 also can, but rather rare and more expensive....
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QUOTE(samuraiman @ Aug 17 2010, 10:17 PM)
what is the differences between good tyres and average one??? now if i want to change tyres i will do burnout until 'song' with my present tyres ( front 205/45/r16after install 4g91 with BOT then change to good one... very sayang to use good and expensive tyres to do burnout...

and about the spring... the car will shake if drive on bad road condition after i install lower sport spring... if i install back to iswara ori spring than will become high, comfort but not steady when cornering... how can i modify so that i feel comfort when driving and stable when cornering??? did UR anti roll bar helps??? can i install more than 1 arb in front (just kidding)???

i think to separate my questions into two parts... abt the engine 4g91 i will ask at technical talk n abt the rest of the part of iswara i will ask here... rite???


Added on August 17, 2010, 10:49 pm

10q... i totally forget 4g92 got non mivec... my mechanic says i can install 4g92 without relocate the engine mounting... just need modify a bit of the original engine mount... donno is true or not...

for the front strut bar, which was installed in my car is the three point one... just like in the picture... but now already bent a bit coz i once self accident... the front wheel at the passenger side hit the road divider after i come out from roundabout too fast and my car fly into the bushes... the car rotate 180 degree horizontally and the driver site hit the ground too hard that both tyres at driver site burst... after the car was repaired then i notice the front strut bar was bent a little bit but it was not covered in the insurance... my mechanic says if i don't install that bar surely the structure of my car will run... now the body structure of my car still ok...
sorry... 4g91 original engine no modified then BOT...

sorry... typing mistake... is 4g91 with 4g93 block... i want my car to be road legal that i cant change the engine block... i heard that turbocharge it is illegal also... rite???
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difference between good tyres and average ones is the price... and of coz the grip and performance laa... if feels the same what for the need to use expensive tyre... for ur current tyre, its up to u what u wanna do with it la... u wanna use it to reserve parking at home or use as flower pot also can one... vr good alternative...

there is no such thing as comfort and good handling all in 1 package... well, at least not the best of both world... u need to get the balance between it... chassis and suspension tuning is not as easy as engine tuning... (at least in malaysia yes).... first of all, chassis must be strong and rigid... reducing chassis flex is important... 2nd, get good shocks which pairs up with good spring... i recommend u to get coilovers... at least the shocks are properly paired with the spring rate... mix and match i more or less like trial and error method... in the end u might even spend more...
no u cannot add another antiroll bar in front... 1 will do.. if u need a thicker one in front, u may enquire from UR to custom one for u... price ranges around rm4xx... overly reduced bodyroll on either front or rear can cause handling problem as well... hence, "bigger is not alwiz better"applies in antiroll bar as well...

4g91 with 4g93 block can be done... u will need to register ur engine as 4g93 as it follows the code on the block... turbocharging an engine is legal... hence, dont need to go through puspakom...
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QUOTE(shazmn @ Aug 17 2010, 11:03 PM)
i oso think its the same dimension but my fren in accessory shop said will got big gap...i blur2 already haha...
lmst headlamp comes with a signal light right? both headlamp n signal in one lamp...lmss they were separated...
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QUOTE(samuraiman @ Aug 18 2010, 12:32 AM)
my tyres is still 95% of thread infront and 85% behind... i want to do burn out coz is lousy tyres... and for the grip those tyres has grip far better than the original iswara 175/??/r13 one... even on wet road i feel more steady...

i had already ask my friend who had tried the coilover absorber and they say the spring is as hard as the sport spring... i think of getting original spring and arbsorber with bigger arb custom make from ur or taken from halfcut to replace the one originally in car... as for my understanding, if the front arb is too thick that the car doesn't roll abit during hard cornering the front tyres will skid coz no pressure applied onto the outer tyres to prevent skidwhen turning... and for the rear abs if too thick the rear tyres will skid easily and each times when cornering hv to drift through the corner... correct me if i m wrong...

if 4g91 with 4g93 block i will rather get a 4g93T... but i just can get to 4g91 coz 4g92 is harder to get and i can only upgrate to 1625CC... if 4g91 with 4g93 block is it count as 1.6L or 1.8L??? can i use the 4g93 code and register as 4g91???


Added on August 18, 2010, 12:37 am

THAT'S NOT POISON!!! THAT IS T VIRUS WITH NO VACCINE!!!

i want to turbo charge the 4g91 not becoz of the BOV sound (although i lik the sound), i want to extract more HP from 4g91 until reach it limits... i like the push back feel when the car accelerate faster...
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there is no halfcut antiroll bar for saga iswara... ready made aftermarket ones are only from UR and its only for rear... front antiroll bar needs to be custom made because there is no aftermarket manufacturer bothered to make it...

too thick front antiroll bar will cause understeer while too thick rear antiroll bar will cause oversteer... but this also depending on other factor such as tyre limit, front/rear chassis flex, wheel alignment, etc... thats why chassis and handling tuning is much harder compare to engine tuning... it has to suit the driver's driving characteristics...

4g93 is 1.8L engine... yes if u planning to get 4g91 with 4g93 block, it is advisable to jz get 4g93t engine... internals are much stronger and can withstand higher boost pressure... yes u can use 4g93 block with 4g91 code stamped onto the block... this is illegal and not advisable to do it.... sleep.gif
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QUOTE(samuraiman @ Aug 18 2010, 03:21 AM)
i want my car to be road legal... but the original engine is 1.3L... for 1300 * 125% is 1625cc...

my mechanic says that it is easier for me to upgrade to 4g91 as 4g91 MT is easier to get compare to 4g92 MT coz i m in sarawak... and if i want to upgrade to engine more than 1.6L it can be say as impossible to get approved (or else i use another way)... 4g93T is 1.8L and 4g63T is 2.0L...


Added on August 18, 2010, 3:26 am

sorry... for what i mean is the 4g91 with 49g3 block using the 4g93 code but register as 4g91(1.5L)...
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get 4g91 twincam with 4g92 block... still maintain 1.6L engine... 4g92 block u can find abundance all around malaysia because proton wira 1.6xli uses the same block...

QUOTE(samuraiman @ Aug 18 2010, 07:01 AM)
i tot 4g61T is turbocharged engine that cannot pass endorsement... that is what my mechanic told me... how much is the engine??? will it over rm10k???

and compare both engine 4g61 and 4g91... which one is older??? can i still get the spare part for 4g61???

for the 4g61T if i want just istall the whole engine with original turbo into my car or did i need to change bigger turbo, bigger intercooler , e-manage, and so on to extract more power from it???
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4g61t is 1.6L turbocharged engine from mitsubishi... originally turbocharged, hence can cope with higher boost pressure... engine mounting all plug and play to saga iswara... no mounting mods means no need to worry puspakom... the only thing need to custom is driveshaft... rozz can help u with it... haha...

4g61 is older compare to 4g91.... 4g61 shares the same parts with 4g63... well, almost if not all....

as i said, 4g61t is originally turbocharged... u can jz plonk it in, run it without problems till u pass ur puspakom inspection... after that only start think about upgrading...

QUOTE(rozz_1291 @ Aug 18 2010, 12:56 PM)
Worth the $$$ u invest in it. Lots of advantages like Fuel Efficiency, Performance, can cope with ur current setup or future setup if u 1 2 "molest2" ur car... brows.gif and Lots of feature. Even Emanage can do wonders in stock 4G13MMC.

Poison leh.... mana I catacombs kata mau carik Emanis 2bijik mad.gif
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oi... joshua got promotion emanis complete harness + installation + dyno tuning = rm1.5k...
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QUOTE(rozz_1291 @ Aug 19 2010, 01:56 AM)
Come Puchong, RM1350 siap installation and Dyno tuning thumbup.gif
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which shop??... dyno tune??
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QUOTE(rozz_1291 @ Aug 19 2010, 02:57 AM)
RS Dynotune sana. Itu Ah Charles "favorite" tuner  brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif
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QUOTE(samuraiman @ Aug 19 2010, 03:30 AM)
i m at sarawak here n can get only 4g91 AT... below are the picture of the engine i will bought... i need to take time to check and buy the things myself...
as from the seller the engine is 93% new and he can start for me when i go to see the engine...
any good advice for me if i wan to check the condition of the engine???
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got very serious oil leak... better check properly... if can press down his price some more as much as possible...
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QUOTE(samuraiman @ Aug 19 2010, 07:31 AM)
oli leak??? lubricant oil leak??? seal broken??? or just oil split from other engine???
the lowest price he offer is rm5300 without shipping...
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so obvious can see one mar oil leak all around the engine...
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QUOTE(domo_kun @ Aug 23 2010, 08:30 AM)
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kanasai la you, of all the things that you should remember, you think about piston
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use HWL laa... senang cerita... best..
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QUOTE(fstrader @ Aug 25 2010, 09:54 AM)
u think everyone like u can afford hwl mia kah??  dry.gif
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not as lich as u lo unker... change suspension like change underwear... whistling.gif

QUOTE(rozz_1291 @ Aug 25 2010, 11:52 AM)
Internet source RM900++

Kedai RM1200++v(sillysea catacombs bought there) sleep.gif
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i buy 1050 ok... dat sillysea shop quote me 1200 niaa....

900 where got so cheap??...

QUOTE(domo_kun @ Aug 25 2010, 12:10 PM)
GAB SL Series for Iswara, RM1400 included installation
reasonable?
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QUOTE(idunnolol @ Aug 26 2010, 11:21 PM)
Hi sifus,

Just got my tyre checked and was surprised that it botak already, Is it normal for tyre to botak in 2 years?
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mine botak in 1 year... 2 years consider ok...
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QUOTE(rozz_1291 @ Aug 27 2010, 06:23 AM)
Drive like sohai ofcuz la cepat botak sleep.gif
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QUOTE(johannemiir @ Aug 27 2010, 10:44 AM)
upah welding muffler rm70 ok o not??
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not ok

QUOTE(cartack @ Aug 27 2010, 10:46 AM)
actually, last time i changed all 4 of my tire with my friend's myvi standard tire...so the size is 175/65/r14....now i want to change both the front tire....if i'm not mistaken, the standard tire size for iswara is 180/60/r14 right? so, what effect will it give when i use tire size 175/65/r14?
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thicker tyre means more comfy...

QUOTE(Leon5271 @ Aug 27 2010, 03:33 PM)
hi all sifos.=)..i was reading the first page and i'm curious bout this..

2. Due to the bad placing of the stock air intake resulting in hot air being sucked, it is recommended to add a Cold Air Intake. Various types of hose available for this DIY upgrade. Position the intake in front of the radiator, and you will definitely gain valuable power and better the fuel consumption! 

can i know where could i find this kind of hose to DIY it myself? thanks a lot!=D
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QUOTE(johannemiir @ Aug 27 2010, 10:17 PM)
not only welding i think..member sye tnye nk tkr muffler..pomen 2 kata upah rm70..expensive right?
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