Go and read the Forte forums on Paultan before u open your mouth and talk nonsense. Ive always said that i HAVE KOREAN MAKES IN MY FAMILY. Dont quote made up lies of yours. Speak the truth always.

Forte numbers are clearly increasing on the road??? Of course it is increasing! Even if u sell 1 car a month the numbers will increase. The issue is HOW MANY ARE SOLD. Forte sells about 500+ units a month. This has been the case for the past few months. If u ask me this is bad. Forte is a brand new model with good specs and a refreshed look and it only sells 500+? The Vios is an old model and only got facelifted and yet it sells 3300+ per month. The Civic is also 4 yrs old and yet it sells more units than the Forte.

Let me summarize my comments (again):

1) Korean makes have always proven to be of inferior quality since the good old days. The worldwide satisfaction survey proves this.
2) The newer models may have improved in quality but we will only know in about 2 yrs time when parts start breaking down and require replacement. Nobody can effectively say whether quality has or has not improved on these newer models.
3) The after sales service quality and standards have not changed and will not change as long its controlled by the local destributers/ service centres
4) The resale values will continue to be poor as long as the original sale figures are low
5) Cost of part replacement have and will still be relatively more expensive compared to Toyota & Honda
6) The Sonata has been poorly priced unlike the Forte and WILL lose out to the Camry & Accord especially since the new Camry is due next year while the Accord will be facelifted this year.
7) The Korean makes coming out now are getting better in terms of specs and styling
8) The Korean makes must be priced at least 25-35K lower than a corresponding Jap model in order to become competitive.


This is what i have been saying all this while either in this forum or in others. Nothing has changed. Its only ppl's interpretation of my words which has muddled things up sometimes. It could be due to the lack of English proficiency for some of them.

My only intention is to obtain competitive pricing for all cars. I want cheaper Toyota's and Honda's. I also want the Korean makes to improve on their quality, after sales service and resale values. I believe this is what everybody wants. But how can u expect to achieve this if we dont provide constructive critisisms? If everybody keeps prasing the new Korean makes just cause they have better specs and styling, the local distributers will just sit back and wait for things to happen as what is happening now.

Hope this finally clears things up for everyone.

Cheers!

HAHA! Careful man. U might hurt the feelings of some kids like X5M5 on the forum.

U still dont get it do u? Nevermind. Ive said what ive said and i will stand by it (as ive done all this while). You are neither neutral not constructive. Ure just shooting blanks as usual.

Cheers!

You are the clown and the silly guy. U talk without thinking or reading previous posts. Ive already explained before but for the sake of kids like u who dont bother to read ill repeat it:

Car manufacturers will always say that the max production is X amount. This is merely to ward off unwelcomed comments that the car isnt selling well. But just ask yourself this. If there were 2000 ppl queing up to buy the Forte every month, wouldnt it be perfectly natural to ramp up production to cater for the increased demand like what Perodua is currently doing for the Alza? Why after 7 months, there is no ramping up of production of the Forte? Simply because the demand does not warrant an increase. Please dont blindly believe statements released by Gov cronies.

Its the same excuse that Honda gave for the City. Since its launch and despite all its advanced features, its numbers have never come close to the Vios. So they released a statement saying that they were running at max capacity bla bla bla. But now with the same sales numbers , some sales outlets actually have ready stock of the City and no sign of the so called backlog which Honda claims.

Next time READ ALL POSTS BEFORE COMMENTING AND EMBARASSING YOURSELF.

Why do u think distributers set low targets? Cuz then when the sales hit the target they will look good because then they will release a press statement saying 'We have hit our sales target' Woohoo!

But if u set a target too high say 12K per annum, and u only hit 50% sales, your car will look bad. All these are merely marketing strategies. Learn to see through these gimmicks and ull be able to see the truth. Dont be a kid and blindly swallow every rubbish that these cronies vomit out. Havent u heard enough lies mentioned thru the local media?

U love repeating what i say dont you? U think it makes u look good? I keep on saying that its the LOCAL DISTRIBUTERS WHO MAKE THE CAR LOOK BAD and then u repeat the same thing in a different manner and then claim it as your own words while accusing me of saying something else.

Grow up.

U silly man. It doesnt matter WHEN they said it la. Of course anybody will say it because they already knew that the model wont sell well. So setting a lower target makes them look good if they achieve it or overcome it.

Production capacity at Gurun has nothing to do with the Forte sales. The reason why there arent many Forte's on the road is not because the Gurun plant is running below capacity but because there are not enough takers.

Stop spewing all this salesman talk la. No matter what u say about production rates or Naza's press statements, the fact is that the FORTE IS NOT SELLING AS WELL AS THEY HOPED IT WILL.

Well at least this thread isnt boring like some other threads. HAHA

Whatever the reasons whether its CBU or otherwise, the main reason the Forte isnt selling well is because its Korean make. Surely its doing better compared to previous models but isnt that what a new model is expected to do with all the new gadgets and much improved physical looks?

Forte is not challenging the previous models. Its in direct competition with the Vios, City, Civic, Altis, Camry and Accord. But sadly so far its hasnt been able to beat any one of them in terms of sales although it was expected to beat the Altis and Civic especially.

Again i say that the Forte is a good car with a good pricing structure. Sadly the after sales service standards are bringing it down.

Ive said what ive said. But u cant speak English to someone who only understands French can u? (oops sorry...i dont think u would have understood this as well)

Ive heard alot of this talk about getting a non famous brand bla bla bla. But in reality you will always choose the safest choice. When the time comes its always gonna be about resale value, after sales service and customer satisfaction which rules. The Korean makes will never reach that standard unless they change the local distributers.

(p/s: i am entitled to my opinion and anyone is free to contradict it as they see fit but NEVER tell me to GTH or buzz off. I know alot more about cars than u do. U Just stick to your little proton world).

Cheers!

Most important is how much is it gonna cost. Its only 1.6L.

Does anybody have pics of the black color Sonata from different angles?

Nothing to do with 'thinking'. Its the after sales service and resale values which ppl are worried about.

Im not talking to the same ppl. Its different ppl. If u already know then u dont have to respond. Stay out of the chat then.

I think its you who has flip flopped. Why dont u click on my nick and see all the posts ive made before commenting? I have always maintained that Quality and After Sales Service have always been issues with the Korean makes. The quality issues on the current models will only be known in about 2 yrs.

I didnt say that after sales service is the ONLY issue. I said it was the MAIN issue. Read my posts again if u doubt this. Car volume of non national cars are a reflection of the car brand and everything positive about it so sales volume are important. Dont compare with National cars as they are a totally different ballgame altogether.

Whatever ive said about the Korean makes are based on my OWN experience. Ive stated many times that there are Korean makes in my family. This is nothing about promoting Vios but its about using Toyota as an example to show that the Koreans need to buck up in many areas. How many more times do u want me to say that i WANT the KOreans to improve and become a real contender to the Japs? How come u dont mention these things? Toyota isnt the best brand and and it surely doesnt produce the best cars but its still alot better than the Koreans.

Common man. Grow up. If u wanna have an argument then fight fairly. Dont pick and choose 1 or 2 words of mine and try to find fault with my whole argument.

Ure spot on here Kevin. Most of the Korean supporters are actually Proton fans. But to be fair to them, the newer Korean models may have improved on their quality. The previous models were crappy except for a select few which were ok.

The cars mentioned are above my paygrade?? HAHAHAHA. This is the same statatement made by a guy on Paultan (which is mentioned earlier on in this forum as the DARE). He accused me in the same way as u and i provided him with some detailed enough info which should have told him about my earning capacity and current assets. He never completed the dare and has not shown up since in any other thread on the forum with the same nick. But he's around using a different nick and has not spoken to me or about the dare since.

If u would care to join the ranks of those have dared (and lost) i would gladly silence you with ease. Mind you, i bought my Vios 7 yrs ago and i dont see a need to change when the car has given me ZERO problems. Plus i think money is better spent buying high end property. There are blogs on this forum where there were discussions on net worth, etc which i have contributed my views on. You might wanna check that out before assuming anything.

Or shall we take a dare here and let the rest of lowyat be the judge of your own statements and false assumptions? Im willing and would gladly relish the chance to silence another critique.

Cheers!

Let me save you the hassle:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1159185/+240

In case ure thinking of accusing me of lying or pumping up the figures, ure more than welcome to take the dare with me. I provide proof and u do as i say (whichever way i see it ure gonna be silenced).

HAHA