I have read what most of u wrote and it's a lot of crap, this is a sonata thread so stick to the topic, I have tested sonata 2 and 2.4 veer, personally I think the 2.0 is a bit under powered, the rev is a bit louder but when after 2,3rd gear it's smooth..same as 2.4 veer, this car is absolutely striking...it's damn nice ! Interior wise, very nice like European cars...this car will change a lot of opinions....read more, test-drive it then only comment.....otherwise it's all crap...btw..I'm buying the 2.4 waiting list 3 months .

Is pickup compared to Camry or Accord much no different, better or worse?

I just tested the 2.0l sonata today and felt pickup was acceptable for a car of this size. Secondly noisy engine is because its been tuned to reach peak torque earlier but once you start cruising its quiet. Car looks great and finishing is above average. Wish they didn't gimp the center console which is different from the brochure they supplied.

this isn't a chat. this is a forum for discussion. you gave your opinion. others gave theirs. people accepted what you said (eg bad aftersales, bad reputation), but you on the other hand keeps harping on the issue again and again (then you yourself say you are not certain if new gen korean are still having this problem or not) if you are not certain, is that still a valid point? it will just your be your personal opinion. you already said it more than once, enough la.

you have also flip flopped your arguments on more than 1 aspect of the discussion.

btw, don't bother editing your previous post. everyone who followed this thread knows you were the only one who kept harping on quality issues/poor resale etc etc, then the next thing you say its only the poor aftersales/distributor that affects korean makes. which is which?

worst still still, you even associate car volume sales to whether the car is good or not? just because a certain make cant sell here, it doesnt mean the car itself isnt good. your association of sales with quality/brand acceptance is clearly a moot point at best. like i say, if you buy a good car, even if its an unfamous brand, you still get a good car. with more brand awareness, reputation and brand acceptance will pick up, hence the resell value and cheaper and more spare parts.

in this whole thread, those who openly bashed other makers that is not T&H are majority owners of vios/city. frequent surfer of F&F will know what you drive. is that vios/city such a great achievement (if your pathetic life) that it warrants you the best driving experiance enough to bash other cars like this? this sort of bashing reminds me of a guy in a beemer forum who compared his vios with a 3-er on the 0-100 drag.

seriously, i really do think these vios/city owners should stay off from discussing other cars since beside buggati veyron is probably the only car that is better than yours.

p/s: no offence to all vios/city owner, i just do notice that most bashers drives these 2 models. as i say, frequent surfers here will know what you drive.

Exterior looks awesome ,but interior looks like it has been there for 5 years .Issint this the story of Korean cars? Nice exterior but the interior is still way way way behind Japs? Ppl like nice interior cause thats where they will be spending most of their time.So it has to be sporty for some,elegant for others.

This Sonata is in the middle.It neither sporty nor is it elegant.And the price is way too exp for a Korean make.What were they thinking? Ppl must as well fork out a little more for a Mazda 6 or Toyota Camry for a peace of mind in the years to come.

For those who havent owned a Korean car before,you will say all the good things there is to say.But when you buy one and try selling it years later,then only you will understand why majority of Msian still dont fancy Korean cars.

Somehow Korean cars are nice to look at when new.But thrash it a little ,and in a few years time the car will have plenty of problems.Thats when you send to SC and cry when the bill comes to thousands to repair a tiny thing since the spare parts are so limited unlike Japs which has plenty of stock so its cheaper.

And I see theres alot of Korean make supporters here.Lemme guess,i bet you dont even own a Korean car.You are just here to piss those T & H owners .But unfortunately you failed.Continue with your "good" work!

sime darby is giving 5 yrs or 300,0000km warranty...so i think u r well covered....the only complain i have is our msian specs is lousy....compared with US specs...in US sonata got 6 airbags, navigation gps and bluetooth, but here no..only 2 airbags...no gps and no bluetooth. U have to give credit to hyundai..they started even later than proton....now look where they r now....next year they will beat honda in mkt share in US for sure,,,,just overtaken nissan at no 3 spot....

kevin23 & cybermaster98 : my family of 5 (my parents included). my old man drives his camry for work, me altis. the old man got himself a rondo as our weekend / outstation car since neither of our cars are comfortable for the whole family outing complete with luggage.

to cut the story short, the Rondo was considered alongside Maz 5 & recond estima (sorry, grand ribena is too small to fit the purpose). it was cheaper and it fits the purpose, it was great. to top that, it was as good as Maz 5 in drive & comfort (minus the sliding door)

Rondo is korean make right?

And finally, the cars i've mention here is above your paygrade. we know you can't afford a camry or accord even if you wanted it, so you settled for vios/city.

so go on and droll over your pathetic lifes that you can't afford better cars, even tho korean makes gives better economical value, your pathetic ego can't allow you to get one.

"自卑与自大的" . you two are pathetic. 1 drives city selling insurance and thinks that makes him high society, another drives an old vios & thinks it's like some kind of property. seriously, go to hell.

I think its you who has flip flopped. Why dont u click on my nick and see all the posts ive made before commenting? I have always maintained that Quality and After Sales Service have always been issues with the Korean makes. The quality issues on the current models will only be known in about 2 yrs.

I didnt say that after sales service is the ONLY issue. I said it was the MAIN issue. Read my posts again if u doubt this. Car volume of non national cars are a reflection of the car brand and everything positive about it so sales volume are important. Dont compare with National cars as they are a totally different ballgame altogether.

Whatever ive said about the Korean makes are based on my OWN experience. Ive stated many times that there are Korean makes in my family. This is nothing about promoting Vios but its about using Toyota as an example to show that the Koreans need to buck up in many areas. How many more times do u want me to say that i WANT the KOreans to improve and become a real contender to the Japs? How come u dont mention these things? Toyota isnt the best brand and and it surely doesnt produce the best cars but its still alot better than the Koreans.

Common man. Grow up. If u wanna have an argument then fight fairly. Dont pick and choose 1 or 2 words of mine and try to find fault with my whole argument.

just like kevin23 who asked me to 'pm' him, who the hell you think you are to ask for a dare? noone here owes anyone anything to prove, especially not to a bunch of pathetic low lifes like yours. and since you are into properties, you should know ROI is also influenced by how much your initial investment, in this case, how much does the car cost initially.

you & kevin23 are a pair for each other. you two think along the same line, talks along the same ways, and both are equally pathetic and f***ed up.

and i'm not the only one assuming things. you assumed that most korean car supporters are proton fans too. that's f***tard.

this is the only and last post where i used the most F words, because you two are worth it. i bet you two get f***ed up alot in life, so f***ed that you two think you have already achieved something in life by driving the two budget models that only our 3rd world country has. f*** off please.

bro..honestly i think u the one that should grown up ..majority here doesn't seems love ur opinion...so better just go away & just tell ur wife, child about your mighty vios & whatsoever...

U think i give a damn if u dont like my comments? HAHA. I will say what i need to say. Whatever ive said are facts and many here do NOT refute them. But they just dont appreciate me repeating it so often (which i admit). So get YOUR facts right before commenting on mine.

Cheers!

what did i say? you just asked for a pm, just like the other guy.

please do this thread a favor and get lost already. doubt whatever you want, call whatever you like. people with genuine lifes don't take intimidation/provocations. your family definately deserves better. remember my words well, one of these days, your ego and showing off as well as taunting others will cost you.

p/s: ts, maybe you'd want to close this thread and open a new one for sonata test, since it's available now. sorry for the off topic.