AIMS & OBJECTIVES

1. To promote a greater understanding of classical music for the music enthusiasts.
2. To provide a platform to nurture and hone musical talents and creativity unto excellence in music.
3. To encourage and promote positive activities regarding classical music.
4. To promote multicultural exchange through classical music via various instrument.
5. To provide opportunities for Malaysian musicians and composers to reach a wider audience for greater exposure.
6. To raise the standard of music education in Malaysia.
7. To collaborate with other local and international networks in the creation of relevant and sustainable music programmes.


ABOUT US

Classical Music Society (SEL/KL) was successfully registered on 12 April 2010 under Jabatan Pendaftaran Pertubuhan Negeri Selangor. This society consist of 9 committees and 7 sub-committees. Last year 2009, before register a society, all these 16 classical music enthusiasts group together and organized a classical guitar concert which held on 25 August 2009, It was very successfull and we had recieved a lot of good feedback. So, we decided go for register a proper society for oursleves after discussing, planning and arguing. So that we can organize more and more concerts & events in the future. The procedure of registering a society was extremely difficult. We had done a lot of paper work and spent a lot of time reading and understanding the rules & regulations. We start to sbmit our application documents that we have prepared to registrar on November 2009 and of cause, we have rejected few times. Until April 2010, we recieved a letter from registrar of societies stating our society had approved!



**Stay with us, will have 4 concerts & events coming up on August until November.







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UP-COMING CONCERTS & EVENTS



15th Aug 2010. Vocal Recital by Rohan de Lanerolle.
25th & 26th Sept. Flute & Guitar Duo.
30th Oct. Solo Classical Guitar Recital.
24th Nov. Solo Classical Guitar Recital.
Details ..... coming soon.


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PAST CONCERTS & EVENTS



Classical Guitar Workshop: " Thru the eyes of an overseas Classical Guitar Major "
Guest: TJ Tham
Dated: 27th June. 2010 (Sunday)
Time: 7:00pm – 9:00pm
Venue: Menuetto Music, Desa Park City

Observer: RM10
Performer for masterclass: RM15 (Please PM me. Places are limited)




BIOGRAPHY
TJ Tham, 27, is currently a second year guitarist at the Royal Northern College of Music (RNCM) where he studies under the internationally acclaimed guitarist Craig Ogden (whom recently premiered a guitar concerto live for the BBC).

At the RNCM, TJ has also the opportunity to work alongside the great pedagogue Gordon Crosskey (a student of Segovia and good friend to John Williams). On top of being the first ever guitarist to be awarded the Ian-Hollingshead Fox bursary and RNCM bursary upon entrance to the college, TJ has performed extensively at the RNCM (mainly ensemble) and all over the United Kingdom.

Although a late starter of the guitar at the age of 19, TJ showed tremendous passion and love for the classical guitar. Not long after, he was fortunate enough to meet Gary Ryan (Guitarist, Composer, and Assistant Head of Strings at the Royal College of Music) at a summer camp here in Malaysia where he was recommended to audition for the conservatoires in the UK. At the age of 25, he was accepted to the RNCM and has never looked backed ever since.

His success as a guitarist can be attributed to the lessons and masterclasses he has had with Gary Ryan, Carlos Bonnell, David Russell, Xue Fei Yang, Berta Rojas, Julian Byzantine, and many others.


Address:
MENUETTO MUSIC
The WaterFront@ ParkCity
Lot FF-23, 5 Persiaran Residen,
Desa ParkCity, Off Jalan Damansara
52200 Kuala lumpur
Tel: 03-6280 7664








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" BEL CANTO DE GUITARRA " Night Concert
Date: 26 August 2009
Time: 8:00pm
Vanue: Bentley Music's Auditorium (Mutiara Damansara)

RICHARD HAND (Special overseas guest performer)


CHUA MAY LING (Local performer)


FUNG TONG SEN (Local performer)

" BEL CANTO DE GUITARRA " Pre-Concert Performance:



Classical Guitar Masterclasses & Workshop (Conducted by Richard Hand):
Date: 26 August 2009
Time: 9:00am-4:00pm
Vanue: Bentley Music's Auditorium (Mutiara Damansara)






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This post has been edited by tckian: Jun 21 2010, 04:17 PM

well, IMO...as long as MPO is there, it will be the major obstacle to malaysian's classical music development as no more professional orchestra will be recognised. Those which attempted to be one gotto live behind MPO's shadow which reserved it places for foreign players. Nearest to MPO's standard is KL Pac which is not even a professional orchestra.

oO yea...Btw...Hope KL Pac's conductor Brian Tan can recover sooner to generate the engine of Kl Pac Orchestra back.

Sorry I have to disagree with you. Malaysian classical music has been stagnating even before MPO came especially with history of political bollocking esp. between Penang orchestras.

Why MPO only has about 5 local permanent players? At least even if I feel their standards are too high at least they don't do nonsense like reserving Bumiputera quotas for hack musicians. And local musicians benefited by training under them.

Nearest to their standard is KLPAC? Its as if you're implying National Symphony Orchestra doesn't exist. They still do, even though they've virtually ceased to give live performances.



This post has been edited by MISHUGINA: Jun 20 2010, 12:09 AM

any problem with 1Malaysia Youth Orchestra?
They seems to be doing fine..
well KLpac don even have strings except 1 double bass only.
they have so many saxophones.

You sure you din mistaken KLPac symphonic band with KLPAC sinfonietta?



This post has been edited by MISHUGINA: Jun 20 2010, 12:11 AM

Want clarifying somethings:

Firstly, our society is not inttend to "attempted to be one gotto live behind MPO's shadow" or try to do better than MPO!!! We even didn't think about it!!! Our main purpose is to provide more classical music concerts & events and share to public. So that more and more people have opportunities to know about classical music. Why not??!! MPO was the best place to hear/enjoy classical music, no doubt about it!

Secondly, If want to organize a public concert or event legally, we need a 'license'. Otherwise goverment will consider our concert is a illegal gathering. The 'license' allowed us to do publicities too. Everything that we had done have to let the Jabatan Pendaftaran Pertubuhan Negeri Selangor, including our meeting. Thats why we need a proper society.

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This post has been edited by tckian: Jun 28 2010, 09:46 PM

Any metal fans over here? I'm not sure u agree with me, but metal has it's origin from classical. I say I can relate death metal more to classical rather than rock.

Basiclly, classical music are the earliest music in western music history. Nowadays all contemporary music are origin from classical music. Musician always like to create and experiment on new kind of music or genre. Even classical music its self, also divided to 4 different period... Baroque, Classical, Romantic and 20th century. These 4 period shown different musical style and characteristic. It keep developt until today, a lot of different kind of genre appeared... like Jazz, Blues, Rock etc...








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This post has been edited by tckian: Jun 21 2010, 04:19 PM

Congratulation to TS for forming this society. I wish your society the best in its future undertakings.

Thank you! ^^

Our society is very new, a lot of things have to learn and improve.








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This post has been edited by tckian: Jun 21 2010, 04:20 PM

New is not a problem. You need dedicate members who are willing to commit their time.

Yeah! Ady have... We all actually are full time musician and teacher... We do for our passion!








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This post has been edited by tckian: Jun 21 2010, 04:20 PM

it should be Renaissance, then only Baroque, Classical, Romatic...
and come to 20 century, there's a modern period, then go contemporary...

Yes, Renaissance... Thanks for additional info... ^^ The 4 periods would be more commanly to mention in classical music.








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This post has been edited by tckian: Jun 21 2010, 07:28 PM

oh im sorry, i think i was saying KLpac symphonic band.
the one which they held a concert conducted by mr mitsuo nonami

i'll give my opinion to both of you at the same time...erm....

-malaysia's classical music didn't really stagnate before MPO came in. Instead the industry is kinda rising. That was the period where more people try to learn the classical music instrument (or at least let their children do it)...That was the time many classical music competitions were held, scholarships given to classical music student, more classical music school was open.
-Then back then, there are a few amateurs and professional orchestra rising. The one in hakka tower (or sth liddat...the one in petaling street), KLSO, NSO (erm...back then the old NSO played in what we called as 'Aswara Music UC' now)
-Together with all the facts above...I understand...completely understand that the purpose of MPO being brought in is to bring the Malaysians some well played classical music...I can not deny that the standard of MPO can be replaced by local orchestras. There were advantages of bringing in MPO into Malaysia.

-but...
-what do you think is in the mind of our own classical musicians.
-They're being competed unfairly (becoz they worked out hard but lacked of the proper trainings that the foreigners had)...well at least if calling it unfairly itself will be unfair to the foreigners. The local classical musicians were outcasted. For so many thousands of them learned since young just to get into the music industry. But that was everyone's dream to paly in a professional orchestra but the standard's too high in there. DO we really need those high standards??? Now if you are a musicians (at least at the level of amateurs), you can tell me the truth...
-how much difference is there when a proper well trained classical musician compare to a foreign classical musican??? well trained means taking proper lessons, finish off at least the LTCL, went overseas to receive some foreign training and concepts...ETC....Those whom we called them understand the music.
-If you know classical music only a lil...u will tell me...there will be sure a difference if compared a well trained foreigners with a well trained local musican... But not really... To me, although there may be a slight difference...But both as human are equally good because the skills, techniques, learning materials are standardized!
-EVEN if there's a difference, do we need such difference? Are there tonnes of classical music critics in our country? are there really that much of classical music appreciators taht go researching about classical music, learn about them and wanted to listen to them perfectly. Not really....We are just in the 1st step in that industry, perfection is not what we are aiming. But promoting the classical music is.

-I am not trying to demote MPO as hell here as I joined their program last time as well. But besides that, I joined the old NSO junior and let me tell you... That was the BEST part of my classical music life because those programs gathered the whole Malaysian's classical music kids. Giving them hotel room and scheduled them to a 5 days or 1 week camp... Then until the NSO moved to pangung negara I was still in there.... Those are the promotions I wished to see again and those are money really worth spending in.
-The foreigners can give us lessons but I dont really hope they overtake the majority of our classical music industry. You will say I am conservative type and think only the best for our own. and those who cant get a job from MPO..should they only got themselves to be blame becoz they are just not good enough...??? But I am not sure about this but I feel MPO got a certain quota for foreigners. I felt that you have to be superb local to join the MPO but just above average foreigners to join the MPO.
-looking at that big grand MPO fortress, our local classical musicians demotivated, they know they are not going anywhere....Its just becoming a teacher and teach all night with some events and functions as side incomes. Those who wanna look for their old dreams joined orchestras but which mostly were outcasted by MPO. I've seen too many super good musicians stuck in the middle. Everything is going good ...But not so after MPO came in. I;ve seen too many of them....and many of them graduated from foreign country as well such as Italy, England, Russia, Australia etc...coming back to teach.

Well its open for different opinions as in the MPO thingy ...Those above are just my 2 cents.

Btw...to Mshugina...Sorry about those other orchestra's existence...its been too long since I played in an orchestra, now you reminded me of many mroe...like RTM, NSO, Anns orchestra, KLSE...well...many more....

and to tckia...I was not talking about your society ..In fact its nothing to do about your society...Its a discussion about classical music in our country and the effect of MPO.

erm...Mishugina answered your question.

This post has been edited by liez: Jun 26 2010, 12:42 AM

Hi bro... No worries bro.... very good opinion!!! That was the good discussion that i hope for in my thread... Thanks for sharing!

Yeah true, a lot of classical musician who graduated from overseas are very hard to survive in M'sia. Coz mostly ppl in M'sia are usually not prefer classical music, they are more prefer to pop music or other contemporary music (Not to say they don't appreciate classical music ^^). So, it is very important that every single orchestra group, classical musician or any classical music organizations in M'sia to promote classical music.










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This post has been edited by tckian: Jun 26 2010, 12:15 AM

Liez, its been too long since you played in an orchestra? So I wonder where you got feedback that Malaysian musicians in general has been "marginalized" by MPO?



I assume you USED to be a musician because as one myself, I find this argument not funny at all but offensive.

You tell me a Yamaha violin teacher and a violinist trained from Julliard has STANDARDIZED technique and learning materials?!

You tell me a LTCL cert holder with a Paris Conservatoire musician are EQUALLY good?!

Then again you think KLPac's standards isn't too far behind MPO when in fact actually is like Everest and Kinabalu.




Perfection in music kills the joy of living the music. But without classical music "researchers" people will still think today that you should use the same amount of vibrato when you play Bach as same as when one plays Brahms as like 50 years ago.

Also I'm sure everyone agrees with me regarding this. Do you prefer to listen Beethoven's Symphony no. 5 by some second-rate orchestra or by Karajan/Berliner Philharmoniker, Szell/Cleveland Orchestra, etc? The answer is obvious.

Are you suggesting lets just let local orchestras continue to let them be and be deprived of a proper world class orchestra on our backyard, funded by local oil money which trains future musicians just so that some hack musician's ricebowl can be maintained?

For me, without MPO playing Mahler, Shostakovich, Ravel and Stravinsky, people will still think classical music is only about Canon in D and the recycled tunes we hear in commercials. So we need STANDARDS in order for classical music to be appreciated, not just promoted.



Have you listened to MPYO? The kids at one time get to stay a week in Sime Darby suites which is quite extravagant by local standards and by end of the year they travel a few weeks tour around Malaysia including Sabah and Sarawak giving concerts. If a kid from Sabah travels all the way to KL to play in MPYO his airfare is reinbursed. Did NSO youth did that? The difference is its Petronas money, not government's that is used. And these kids played repertoires from composers like Rimsky Korsakov, Vaughan Williams and coming soon Mahler, which I don't think NSO ever did in their entire history. At their last concert they got to play with jazz musicians like Randy Brecker for Christ sakes! For your info, there is no foreigners in Malaysian Philharmonic Youth Orchestra.



So MPO has a rule where if you play in NSO or some other orchestras you get blacklisted? Banned from even stepping into halls of DFP?

Well it sucks to be a local musician that got marginalized by foreigners. Give me a damn break. We ARE talking about promoting WESTERN music here and the irony is you're whining about foreigners taking off local people's rice bowl. I'd rather we pay 100% foreigners to listen them play their own music properly. I know foreigners are the ones doing the most work raising the standard of "local" classical western music when other local musicians are busy backstabbing each other and involved in politicking.

Now you can go ahead and accuse me of getting paid to kiss MPO's butt in lowyatt. Personally, I don't like the diva attitude of some musicians in there. But also I've known good and nice, humble musicians who also worked their butts off to raise Malaysian Western classical music standard. The good news for people like you is, once Petronas money runs out, MPO musicians will be filled by majority locals. I'll end my long rant here.

P/S: Players in RTM orchestras, NSO and DBKL are still getting decent income for living. I know a DBKL musician can earn around RM 3k, work five days a week and can get civil servant benefits like govt house loans. Plus they can still play in functions, teach and be living off VERY confortably. It just sucks they cant get opportunity to play quality repertoire like MPO but still, to tell me these musicians are marginalized is pretty much laughable.

This post has been edited by MISHUGINA: Jun 27 2010, 01:03 PM

TS
How did your function yesterday went?

I am not a great musician so I dare not comment on the critiques made earlier. The best I could do is to congratulate TS. With your comments I am sure TCKian and his dedicated committee members will strive to raise the standard for classical music here.

TCKian you have the moral support from me and all those Malaysians who feel we are as good if not better than the gui lao. I believe you will strive for your society to be authority in classical music in Malaysia. We dont need to live in the shadows of the gui lao.

hmm... too long discussion to analyse.. I'll just say a word or two...

If everyone regards MPO as the highest standard orchestra in Malaysia and locals are hard to get into MPO as they are not up to standard, then if we, as a musician aim to get into MPO SHOULD work harder to achieve the standard needed. I'm sure you wouldn't want the orchestra to demote their standard just to let more locals in?

I agree that the foreigners are more experience in classical musics and therefore their standard is higher. That's coz there are in the country where classical music originate. Can someone tell me where does Bach/Mozart/Mahler came from? Where do they compose and perform their masterpiece?

The history of music in these western countries are by far more longer and deeper than locals. Of coz the musician from there are able to be expose to the classicals music in a more wider area than here.

However, that doesn't mean that locals doesn't have a chance against them. I'm just saying that we are growing. We are learning. We are all learning from them. So, take them as a motivation and work our path up to the MPO stage! Do Malaysia PROUD! Make it one day, the whole MPO consist of MALAYSIAN but keep the standard up, or even make it better than the origin!

Our classical music history is still very young compare to the foreigners therefore, don't be discourage. It should be an encouragement that one day, our Malaysia classical music industry would be one of the top in the world. I'm sure it is all local musician dream. So, let's make it happened instead of demoting ourselves.

Lovely post cassiemissy! ^^

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This post has been edited by tckian: Jun 29 2010, 12:09 PM

MISHUGINA, seriously... I can't comment on your post. Different thoughts, different opinions, different arguments, both views with its advantages and disadvantages.

however, I am going to agree with you about the politics involved in orchestra which happened all the time, they are inevitable in the society as this is just what I guess. Although I had a thought about you as pro-westerner but never had I thought about you being paid by the petronas...dont say that, I am sure wise ones like you know what you are talking.

just a last note, seriously totally different point of views, thats why arguments should end at your post.

I didn't mean to thrash MPO out of this country (although I sounds like one) and also to push the standard of MPO down a level so that any tom, d*** and Harry is able to join a good orchestra. What I hoped for is having very very good local musicians played for orchestra in our country. And to do that, more and more players should be sent out to learn about it. Those who's incapable will not get the job. The standard should be set by the current westerner's standard. sounds exactly like what MPO is doing? But I hoped for a full Malaysian orchestra.

Full Malaysian ochestra is good but with our level of commitment we are still a long way from it.

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Then stop listen to western classical music lah! Just because you want more local players to promote a foreign culture doesn't mean you and I are in different boat.

With due respect sir, even National Symphony Orchestra is still not a FULL Malaysian orchestra. Mayya Musaffea is still concertmaster isn't she? If even NSO hesitates to field full M'sian line up, why MPO?

While you have good intentions like wise, having very very good local musicians in a 100% local orchestra is wishful thinking. Even in KLPAC's last production of Messiah, the management has to hire a bassoonist from Hong Kong and they got a Brit to conduct. This coming Chopin concert also they're hiring a pianist and coloratura soprano from Hong Kong as well. Why not hire from so many local pianists like Loo Bang Hean, Foo Mei Yi etc to play instead?

So lets not pretend only DFP management are the only ones who has bias for foreign players. All im asking you is stop living in utopia world and be a realist for once.

This post has been edited by MISHUGINA: Jul 6 2010, 12:02 PM

thats for these time being, one can only see things happening if they wished them to be. It takes time and can not be build in a short while.

did anybody forgot MPYO ?

There, you just replied to yourself.

You din read whole topic izzit?

This post has been edited by MISHUGINA: Jul 9 2010, 12:27 AM

my reply ended few post earlier....those were just my evaluation and conclusion after it.

Hi I'm here to join the argument, as I found out this topic is so interesting.

@liez

I'm a university music student and I dunno much about history, but right now MPO is the only place where I can listen to proper organized orchestra music and learn more stuffs. Other than that is the MPYO, where actually has great potential with it. MPO had whole year program, together with various other program than orchestra and many famous guests were invited. I went to Igudesman & Joo's and the King's Singer with student price which is only RM30. It was awesome.

Tell me, as I being too naive for not knowing enough information, where can I listen to these great concerts if MPO and DFP is not there for us music students.

Music is an art which needs great talent and hardwork, and not everyone can get to that place. LTCL cert doesn't equal to Julliard cert. Train here at Malaysia, right now at this time, is definitely NOT the same if you were trained at Europe. Reason? Their lecturer, system, and facilities are great. We doesn't have much up to par musician (I didn't say totally don't have), good teachers are even lesser.

And if somehow a student here in Malaysia had great talent and is very hardworking, met a great teacher and his potential shined through the world, he won't be staying here at Malaysia. Why? Because having such talent but earning RM3k a month is such a joke. I will rather go to US or EU to look for more opportunity, they will be more than happy to promote you as a musician. What will our lovely country do to us? Charity, perhaps.

TL;DR ?
In short: Get rid of Malaysia politics and we will have a new light to our music industry.

Go and practice la, no point argue here.

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lolz dun worry I still practice my piano 4 hours a day =)

OK, hope to see you playing piano concerto with MPO player someday =)

tianyi you play psp 4 hour a day got la... LOLX

To all those arguments, it's just nonsense, to all those fyi even LSO or Berlin phiharmonic have foreigners in their orchestra. And they are still THAT professional and happy doing their jobs and playing their pieces. And you want a TOTAL malaysan orchestra? right, then start inventing your own MALAYSIAN instrument and play malaysian negaraku. That might work. Its western music dude, no way you can make it into your OWN culture and its not, just like jazz or rock.

So, if all of you really appreciates music, better start learning those instrument properly and get better tutor and start your own orchestra slowly.

Going oversea is not because local music is so lousy, its about experience and the different standard of tutor and further exposure. Dont tell me you can play better than Itchak pearlman if you don't have a damn good violin tutor and you don't practice SUPER hard everyday.

Music is global and its should not have "racist" inside.

I second this.

btw, Bentley Music Academy currently has rehearsals for string players for a concert. One of their rules are No Politics, Just Music. We should all abide by this. So less arguments/politicking and let's just discuss about music.

Oh.. while we're on this, is there any minimum age to learn violin?

You guys are so mean. A newcomer come to share and you guys tell him to go practise.

Hahahahaha. Politics is everywhere in every orchestras friend, and political power play in big orchestras like Berlin Philharmoniker can get really nasty.

Not necessary. Big orchestras yes, but I've been in a few ensembles with zero politics.

It depends on the motive for the group.

'An orchestra/ensemble consist of all Malaysian' and 'an orchestra/ensemble consist of good musicians' are different stories. The first is what I called politics while the latter one had none.

Quite envying you then. Difficult to play in an ensemble where everyone goes along just fine.

True enough Koh, having an utopian orchestra where all Malaysians play western classical music doesn't sound so right. =P

wahh got classical music society.. i wan join ! lol

Chezzball, I am sure TS will be happy tosign you up with the society but he has been missing in action for some time.

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wahh i am sad liao

Hi... lol... You are welcome to join!!! ^^

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Now I'm back to update my thread!! But..... need to go... to sleep 1st...


Up-coming concert:

ROHAN de LANEROLLE (Baritone) Vocal Concert @ Bentley Music Auditorium, Mutiara Damansara.

15 August 4pm-6pm

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Added on August 9, 2010, 12:17 amDon't be sad!!! I'm back ady.. ^^ Anything, just PM me... Thank you!

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